A Political Thread pt. 2

[BrokenWing]

According to Lee Anderson, we should ignore the law and do it anyway.
Tories, the party of Law and Order, no less "F*** the law"

It's amazing isn't it.

Four guys get plastered over social media in a video being clearly racist and rightly get arrested, yet this knob says the same sort of stuff to a newspaper and nothing happens.

 

[General Melchett]

We need an election urgently to get rid of this shower and restore democracy and the rule of law. Sunak is just doing what he needs to do by hook or by crook to appease the right and cling on to power. Party interest is trumping national interest. It's also just a damage limitation exercise so that the Tories don't get completely smashed at the next election and at least keep a hold of their safe seats which will improve their chances of regaining power after a term or two.

I get that people have concerns about migration and some of those concerns are valid (others less so) but I'd be more concerned about the competence and integrity of the Government. The Tories created an enemy and tried to pin everything on the EU but how have things actually improved since Brexit? No trade deal with the US and many other countries. Net migration through the roof which shows that Brexit didn't even help them deliver their flagship pledge of taking back control of our borders. Look at the billions of Furlough fraud that was written off? Was that as a result of the 'low tax low regs' vision the far right Tories had? Ironically taxation is at the highest it's been in years. The problem wasn't foreigners or the EU. It was a bit closer to home.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The problem wasn't foreigners or the EU. It was a bit closer to home.

This x1000, I'm getting sick of the constant scapegoating. nearly 15 years and the Tories refuse to accept responsibility for a single thing that has gone wrong (or flat out deny reality) whilst taking credit for things they had nothing to do with (eg reduction in inflation).

The complete disregard for the rule of law or any laws is sickening. Also the ECHR was a huge achievement of Britain post-WW2. We were one of the major pushers behind it and influenced it more than any country in Europe. At the time it was hailed as a great success. Now we are trying to pretend it is a horrible, wishy washy liberal European thing being forced on Britain rather than it being a praised thing Britain helped give to Europe. When you start making out human rights are a problem to be removed, you are 1 step away from fascism.

 

[Which Tyler]

When you start making out human rights are a problem to be removed, you are 1 step away from fascism.

I can't think what that final step would have to be - seems like removing human rights IS the final step.

 

[Gavin]

Jess Phillips resigns from Labour front bench as she didn't follow Starmer's vote in the SNP cease-fire motion

56 voted against him

Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

More than 50 Labour MPs defy Sir Keir to vote for an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ncurd]

Jess Phillips resigns from Labour front bench as she didn't follow Starmer's vote in the SNP cease-fire motion

56 voted against him

Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

More than 50 Labour MPs defy Sir Keir to vote for an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war.

www.bbc.co.uk

Feel like its one of those lose/lose situations for Starmer. Don't back Israel legally trying to get rid of Hamas he gets in form one side don't call for unequivocal ceasefire on other other and a different side will bludgeon him.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I can't think what that final step would have to be - seems like removing human rights IS the final step.

Acting on that removal is the final step.

 

[Which Tyler]

Acting on that removal is the final step.

Fair

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Can always count on Labour to destroy itself from the inside out

 

[ncurd]

Can always count on Labour to destroy itself from the inside out

Luckilly whilst not great visually not making much impact on the pulls I hear the return to Cameron precipitated increasing the gap between Labour and Tories.

In some regards I do wish Labour needed more than a pulse to win the next election. But on the other I'm just thankful everyone is so ****** off with the Tories they don't have a hope.

 

[Saintjay]

Jess Phillips resigns from Labour front bench as she didn't follow Starmer's vote in the SNP cease-fire motion

56 voted against him

Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

More than 50 Labour MPs defy Sir Keir to vote for an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war.

www.bbc.co.uk

I have a lot of time for Jess Phillips. Credit for standing by her principals. It's not a major issue for Starmer but shows Labour can still punch itself in the face. Especially on a day when Labour should be giving a kicking to a largely dead Tory party.

Stephen Flynn SNP "It's shameful that a majority of Tory and Labour MPs blocked calls for a ceasefire - and have condoned the continued bombardment of Gaza, which has killed thousands of children and civilians, in breach of international law."

The SNP playing politics but they have a point.

 

[General Melchett]

I think the SNP knew exactly what they were doing with that amendment. It was never going to pass but given that Labour are now a bigger threat in Scotland it was an opportunity for the SNP to give Starmer a headache and cause some division in his party. That said, I don't think it'll cost them too much politically as people up north are more concerned with cost of living, NHS waiting lists, party scandals etc. and the SNP are going to cop a fair bit of flack for that at the next election.

 

[Amiga500]

Feel like its one of those lose/lose situations for Starmer. Don't back Israel legally trying to get rid of Hamas he gets in form one side don't call for unequivocal ceasefire on other other and a different side will bludgeon him.

Hardly.

Allow a free vote saying he sees both points of view have validity and he largely neuters that problem.

IMO if you must make a binary decision, then history usually judges quite poorly those that do the oppressing.


Seems to me he's running scared of being labelled anti-semitic. When in reality there is f**k all anti-semitic about calling out any military for needlessly killing civilians.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I do think tides have turned where calling for a cease fire will be the norm. Apparently Biden is under growing pressure to tell Israel to stop so maybe Starmer could have beaten him to the punch.

 

[General Melchett]

I think Starmer is just trying to protect his lead, park the bus and close the game out now. On foreign policy he'll mostly mirror the Tories (who will likely stay aligned with the US) but hammer them on domestic matters which he can easily blame them for.

 

[ncurd]

Hardly.

Allow a free vote saying he sees both points of view have validity and he largely neuters that problem.

IMO if you must make a binary decision, then history usually judges quite poorly those that do the oppressing.


Seems to me he's running scared of being labelled anti-semitic. When in reality there is f**k all anti-semitic about calling out any military for needlessly killing civilians.

A free vote on a major foreign policy issue by a governement in waiting? Come off it.

 

[Amiga500]

A free vote on a major foreign policy issue by a governement in waiting? Come off it.

Oh right. So you don't actually support democracy at all, but prefer that decisions are taken by one or two people and imposed on everyone else?

Good to know where you really stand though. Or is that only for decrees that you agree with?

 

[SG59_]

Critical that Rwanda flights take off in the spring, Robert Jenrick says

It follows a Supreme Court ruling that a policy to send illegal migrants to Rwanda was unlawful.

www.bbc.co.uk

So, they plan to overrule the courts?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Oh right. So you don't actually support democracy at all, but prefer that decisions are taken by one or two people and imposed on everyone else?

Good to know where you really stand though. Or is that only for decrees that you agree with?

Meanwhile, back in the real world……..

 

[Amiga500]

Meanwhile, back in the real world……..

Do you not ever wonder why so many people are completely disenchanted with "democracy" in the UK?