A Political Thread pt. 2

[Bada-Bing!]

Austrian train plays Hitler speech over loudspeaker

Staff and passengers were "upset" by the incident, for which two people have been charged.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Amiga500]

Train fruit pickers and lorry drivers to cut migration, says Suella Braverman

In a wide-ranging speech, the home secretary argues it is "not racist" to want to control borders.

www.bbc.com

"We need more Brits to do these jobs because our policy is to only allow immigration for high skilled jobs."

Yep, that really sells it. Is she that thick that she doesn't realise it's not because people aren't trained but that people don't want to do these jobs. Having said that, the way the government is going I'm sure they'll pass a law to force unemployed people to do these jobs. Maybe those on benefits too if they earn less than 10k.

Bravermann is thick as chump. Unbelievable that the Tories found a genuine continuity candidate after Priti Stupid.

However, the bolded bit.

I'd be quite receptive to suggestions of getting those that have a long track record of being on jobseekers to have to do the minimum wage equivalent in hours in community work. The work would obviously have to be something of a one-off nature or for charities so they aren't used as substitutes for paid employees; clearing litter off beaches, helping at food banks, or clothes banks; that kind of stuff.

The idea isn't really to make them "earn" their benefits, its more to get them out of the house/flat, do something useful and maybe give them contacts/confidence/appetite that may result in a paid job down the line.

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Which Tyler]

Low birthrate is UK’s top priority, Tory MP tells rightwing conference

‘Cultural Marxism’ and excessive education among factors causing existential threat, says Miriam Cates

www.theguardian.com

Yep, that's the problem with this country in a nutshell, our young women have too much education, access to too many facts, and too much leeway to use their brains...

They just need to get back to knowing their place, (and only their place); toiling on a fruit farm for less than minimum wage and probably illegal work conditions (but don't worry, they'll be legal and then some soon); and popping out babies in the off-season.

Erm...

 

[Reiser99]

Local elections 2023: Voter ID backfired on Tories, says Rees-Mogg

The ex-minister suggests his party brought in the controversial measure to boost their election chances.

www.bbc.co.uk

Government: "We didn't bring in voter ID to boost election chances."

JRM: "Yeah we brought in voter ID to gerrymander the elections."

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Javad Marandi: Tory donor's link to massive money laundering probe

Javad Marandi's foreign firms were at the centre of a global investigation, BBC News can finally reveal.

www.bbc.co.uk

Who is surprised?

 

[General Melchett]

Javad Marandi: Tory donor's link to massive money laundering probe

Javad Marandi's foreign firms were at the centre of a global investigation, BBC News can finally reveal.

www.bbc.co.uk

Who is surprised?

Just reconfirms that our politics is rotten and broken. Political parties should be made to comply with the same anti money laundering/corruption/conflict of interest rules as banks and other businesses.

 

[Reiser99]

Our politics and American politics are completely broken. I know someone mentioned about how disappointing Erdogan beating the pro-democracy candidate us, but reality is that the west is not a great advertisement for democracy at the moment. I can understand some people not voting for the chaos that it brings, though personally the benefits outweigh the cons.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Our politics and American politics are completely broken. I know someone mentioned about how disappointing Erdogan beating the pro-democracy candidate us, but reality is that the west is not a great advertisement for democracy at the moment. I can understand some people not voting for the chaos that it brings, though personally the benefits outweigh the cons.

But doesn't it show democracy is something that has to be worked at and fought for. People should stop looking for the easy answers that dictators and populists say they can bring.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[Reiser99]

But doesn't it show democracy is something that has to be worked at and fought for. People should stop looking for the easy answers that dictators and populists say they can bring.

I agree. As I said I don't agree, but I can see why people might get to that opinion.

 

[General Melchett]

I think a Labour Lib Dem coalition government is probably a step in the right direction. If political parties can demonstrate a willingness to compromise and find some kind of middle ground then perhaps people might start to do the same. It just feels like we live in a polarised society full of stubborn angry people who just won't listen to the other side and try to reach a compromise. This unhealthy tone comes from politicians within 'broad church' parties IMO. Personally I'd like to see a wider spectrum of political parties with coalition Governments becoming the norm.

 

[ncurd]

I think a Labour Lib Dem coalition government is probably a step in the right direction. If political parties can demonstrate a willingness to compromise and find some kind of middle ground then perhaps people might start to do the same. It just feels like we live in a polarised society full of stubborn angry people who just won't listen to the other side and try to reach a compromise. This unhealthy tone comes from politicians within 'broad church' parties IMO. Personally I'd like to see a wider spectrum of political parties with coalition Governments becoming the norm.

Whilst I agree look at how people rejected the last coalition that we had.

 

[General Melchett]

Whilst I agree look at how people rejected the last coalition that we had.

True but on the plus side at least it was fairly stable and didn't collapse mid term. Maybe the Tories just did a more effective job of campaigning to win an outright majority. I don't think we'll see back to back terms for the same coalition government but I'd like to see them feature more often compared to what we have at present i.e. a baton change between two parties every 12 years.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

And as usual, it's everybody else's fault. What's staggering is 4/5th of leave voters STILL think it was not a bad idea. I can't fathom how Brexit voters can look at the state we are in and still hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil about Brexit. I've asked many times and never got an answer, just what will it take for a Brexit support to admit it was a failure?

 

[McTallshort]

Russia to Build ‘Migrant Village’ for Conservative American Expats - The Moscow Times

Russian authorities will launch construction of a village outside Moscow for conservative-minded Americans and Canadians next year, the state-run RIA Novosti news agency reported Thursday.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[Saintjay]

And as usual, it's everybody else's fault. What's staggering is 4/5th of leave voters STILL think it was not a bad idea. I can't fathom how Brexit voters can look at the state we are in and still hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil about Brexit. I've asked many times and never got an answer, just what will it take for a Brexit support to admit it was a failure?

I think a few people do genuinely think that it doesn't impact them. Your average person in Youngs fish factory Grimsby probably thinks lifes rubbish in or out the EU. Having helped in a friends pub in Grimsby it can seem a town where hope goes to die. It's probably hard to gauge things are a failure when your scraping by in some dead end job with no hope. Freedom of movement etc probably means very little. It's not so much people admitting Brexit is a failure as more some people couldn't give a toss about being in the EU now any way.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think a few people do genuinely think that it doesn't impact them. Your average person in Youngs fish factory Grimsby probably thinks lifes rubbish in or out the EU. Having helped in a friends pub in Grimsby it can seem a town where hope goes to die. It's probably hard to gauge things are a failure when your scraping by in some dead end job with no hope. Freedom of movement etc probably means very little. It's not so much people admitting Brexit is a failure as more some people couldn't give a toss about being in the EU now any way.

I can just about deal with people being fooled once, I have no patience whatsoever any more for people who continue to stick their head in the sand and keep perpetuating the same crap that is driving this country to the wall. I mean hell even more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65612295

Anyone who thinks the country is heading in the right direction or somehow thinks that Brexit and over a decade of Tory rule have absolutely nothing to do with anything that is going wrong quite simply needs their head examined at this stage. I keep asking by what metric anything is better or hell, even simply not worse than it was just over a decade ago. There is nothing. By pretty much every measure, this country has got worse.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Good point!

And as usual, it's everybody else's fault. What's staggering is 4/5th of leave voters STILL think it was not a bad idea. I can't fathom how Brexit voters can look at the state we are in and still hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil about Brexit. I've asked many times and never got an answer, just what will it take for a Brexit support to admit it was a failure?

The other way to look at it is if that 1 in 5 was reflected in another referendum and assuming the other remain vote stayed the same then they would have 58% which would be more than enough to reverse the vote.

Sadly you have to account for the 42% section of the leave who are either still too ignorant or won't be told that they were wrong.