A Political Thread pt. 2

[General Melchett]

First U turn? She's already had u turns and hasn't even got into office yet. Remember she said about public sector pay being linked to how poor a region was (poorer regions would get less) before u-turning on that? Nah she will likely be up to half a dozen by the time she becomes PM.

First U turn as PM I meant. Yeah agree she has done more than her fair share already.

 

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[Ragey Erasmus]

Some documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago were so sensitive that FBI agents needed a special clearance to look at them, DOJ says

The DOJ said in a new court filing that highly-classified information was haphazardly stored with Trump's personal belongings.

www.businessinsider.com

So it turns out Trump was casually keeping hold of files so secretive they needed FBI agents with special clearance way above what most agents had just to handle the documents. In addition there are claims that Trump people obstructed the FBI during the search.

If Trump and many people around him aren't in jail soon, the USA can kiss goodbye to any pretence of law and order. The ******* has simply got to be locked up and finally hammer home just how ******* awful his presidency was.

What was that chant again? "Lock him up, lock him up!"

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Why's Owen Jones going so hard at Starmer?

 

[Which Tyler]

Why's Owen Jones going so hard at Starmer?

Without seeing what he's said, then I don't know. But a lot on the left think that Starmer is (has become) labor in name only - and he's really not making himself any friends by forbidding labor politicians from having solidarity with strikers.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Keir Starmer reacts to Owen Jones calling him a ‘political conman’

Keir Starmer has reacted to journalist Owen Jones’s comments that he is a “professional political conman” who is “not someone anyone can trust.”In the video post, Jones also said Starmer has “brazenly overtly delivered the exact opposite of what he said he would be as Labour leader.”After he was...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Which Tyler]

OK - well, he's got a point, if overstated.
Starmer said lots of things to get elected as party leader, and has backtracked an awful lot of them in order to woo the centre ground, and the moderate right.

Which is the percentage play as an election strategy, but goes against what members voted for when they voted for him.

Ultimately, and IMO, for a GE... I don't think much of it will matter much. The politically aware and motivated will see all of that, but they'll also see him as the adult in the room compared to... anyone on the tory front benches under BJ or LT. But the 98% of the population that only look at politics when there's an election around the corner will still think "Tories deliver a stable and upwards trajectory for the economy, and my pocket, Labour overspend on inefficient public services" despite being demonstrably wrong on both counts. If they remember the politics of 2020-2022 it'll be "the tories paid my furlough when I couldn't work, labour didn't even have my back when I felt forced to go on strike". That's also the story the right-wing press will paint, whilst the "neutral" press engage in both-sideism, and the left wing press shout in the wings and engage in same internecine internal warfare.

 

[ncurd]

Without seeing what he's said, then I don't know. But a lot on the left think that Starmer is (has become) labor in name only - and he's really not making himself any friends by forbidding labor politicians from having solidarity with strikers.

He hasn't exactly forbidden more suggested it wasn't it wasn't the best idea plenty of labour politicians have been on the picket lines including shadow cabinet members. The only guy who got punished started making up policy on the hoof that wasn't even under their remit.

As for Jones sadly for someone who can talk sense he's aligned himself and more or less become the defacto ring leader for Corbyn cultists online, the cult hate Starmer so Owen has to as well. You see similar with Brexit cultists you must believe in the one true Brexit anyone else is a heretic. Jones really needs to take a step back for a significant amount of time and ask what he's achieving. Owen and others of Labour left need to understand political pragmatism.

I'm not saying there aren't legitimate criticism against Starmer but there is real disconnect between how he's polling and the medias commentary on him. Somehow he's completely failing, not offering alternatives and so boring no one knows anything about him. Yet he's consistently at least 10 points ahead. Some of that is to do with well *gestures* but if he was making that much of horlicks of it many wouldn't commit their alligence at all to pollsters. He was also 20 points behind when he first took over.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Well that's my thing I think Starmer should be held accountable but why not do it after the elections.

I don't want to go into the next elections with the left already starting to downplay his chances.

 

[ncurd]

Well that's my thing I think Starmer should be held accountable but why not do it after the elections.

I don't want to go into the next elections with the left already starting to downplay his chances.

I can understand the anger against his pledges although you'll struggle to find anyone in the leadership election who voted for him and actually care. Most of those kicking up a fuss voted RLB. They claim they accepted him because of the pledges (This is Owen's line) when in reality is quite evident from day one they were never really interested in supporting the guy.

My view is he should be held accountable for the manifesto he produces both during the election (which should held up against the alternative not what you'd like it to say) and then in office. And even in office you have accept sometimes you have to do things instead of your manifesto if say a global pandemic hits.

 

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[Reiser99]

Why's Owen Jones going so hard at Starmer?

This is reply to this and the rest of the comments. I haven't read the article, but it still smacks of the same ridiculous infighting that is plaguing labour. Labour have a huge opportunity to remove the Tories soon and they would rather argue amongst themselves. I know Starmer may not be perfect, but surely it's worth getting behind him to win the next election.

 

[ncurd]

It does appear 42% is hard maximum for Labour at the moment and they are firmly staying at that number, Tories seams to be doing at best 32% at the moment which is 1997 levels.