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A Political Thread pt. 2

Even Gordon Brown had more respect and presence internationally than Johnson.
Weird public perception Vs reality. Brown by world leaders was massively respected and is pretty much acknowledged as the person who coordinated the entire plan worldwide after the 2008 financial crisis. The Blair and Brown documentary covers it in the last episodes. Even George Osbourne basically admits it was out of his power and he managed it pretty well but as he was in power he got the blame and they deliberately exploited that opportunity to get into power.

Just to note that's not a stain on Osbourne particularly any party would do the same.
 
I think New Labour suffered from the previous image of economic incompetence. When they were crowing that "no more boom or bust" under their tenure and then 2008 happened then it was like WTF?! Same old Labour; no matter how Brown managed it. Seems like an age ago, but peeps memories are short and it sticks.
 
I think New Labour suffered from the previous image of economic incompetence. When they were crowing that "no more boom or bust" under their tenure and then 2008 happened then it was like WTF?! Same old Labour; no matter how Brown managed it. Seems like an age ago, but peeps memories are short and it sticks.
Its persisted for the 14 years since yesterday was first time in polling in an age where Lab beat Con on economic competence.

The statement has gone down like a lead balloon and everyone is feeling the pinch currently. They're seeing a government without a plan.
 
I think our Prime Ministers have gotten worse with time. BoJo is definitely the worst in my lifetime followed by May and then Cameron. I thought Blair was a pretty good PM and operated well on the world stage but Iraq ruined him. Brown was very bright, capable and worked his backside off apparently - just not media friendly enough which is a pity as I would rank substance over style unlike most voters. I liked how Brown refused to be George W Bush's poodle, unlike Blair. Can't remember much about Thatcher (wasn't into politics back then) but I would say Major is probably the least worst Tory PM I can remember.
 
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I think our Prime Ministers have gotten worse with time. BoJo is the worst in my lifetime followed by May and then Cameron. I thought Blair was a pretty good PM and operated well on the world stage but Iraq ruined him. Brown was very bright, capable and worked his backside off apparently - just not media friendly enough which is a pity as I would rank substance over style. Can't remember much about Thatcher (wasn't into politics back then) but I would say Major is probably the least worst Tory PM I can remember.
I'm definitely too young for Thatcher and barely remember Major. Blair caught my ire for introducing tuition fees (they were introduced in '98 and went to uni in '03) they were far more a hot potato than they are now amongst students, hell the NUS use to regularly be demonstrating against them and be on TV you don't hear a peep out of them these days.

Brown was competent but it was clear it was Labour government on the wane that had too much baggage from being in charge.

Johnson easily wins worst, I'm still genuinely surprised how bad May was but probably side by side with Cameron.

However my rankings are no diffrent.
 
I'm definitely too young for Thatcher and barely remember Major. Blair caught my ire for introducing tuition fees (they were introduced in '98 and went to uni in '03) they were far more a hot potato than they are now amongst students, hell the NUS use to regularly be demonstrating against them and be on TV you don't hear a peep out of them these days.

Brown was competent but it was clear it was Labour government on the wane that had too much baggage from being in charge.

Johnson easily wins worst, I'm still genuinely surprised how bad May was but probably side by side with Cameron.

However my rankings are no diffrent.

Thatcher is the first PM I can remember and was in office when I was a kid. The moral of the story is that Tory MPs/membership have done a terrible job in picking a leader three times in a row. They especially screwed up by picking a Remainer after Brexit. They should have picked BoJo or Gove who would then have been responsible for delivering what they had promised during the Brexit referendum campaigning.
 
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Apparently Arizona Republicans are attempting to pass legislation that would make the voting records of everyone publicly available, along with their name, address and other personal information. https://www.rawstory.com/arizona-elections/

It's baffling that the so called "leader of the free world" is descending down the path to autocracy so rapidly.
 
Its persisted for the 14 years since yesterday was first time in polling in an age where Lab beat Con on economic competence.

The statement has gone down like a lead balloon and everyone is feeling the pinch currently. They're seeing a government without a plan.
Would you trust Rachel Reeves a chancellor?
 
Martin Lewis talking to Andrew Castle summed it up quite well.

It's a positive step, but nowhere near enough.


Sorry. I was more coming from the angle that the original NI plan was totally regressive and would disproportionately punish low earners. Its not any kind of solution to fuel poverty.
 
Would you trust Rachel Reeves a chancellor?
Haven't seen enough of her if I'm honest and I'm unsure if they have a coherent economic strategy at the moment. This isn't a necessarily a bad thing, they've got their 'big hitters' in terms of Ed and Yevette. People are starting to see more of Starmer who aren't superbly politically engaged and responding well if not spectacularly. The corpse of Corbyn has been dealt with and its telling the Tories keep trying to bring up someone who isn't even a Labour MP anymore to wound them in the public eye (I think Lab have a candidate against him but I wouldn't fight him too much and just leave him be).

So on economics I think they are fine in not pushing a hard alternative and Reeves not having a huge profile yet. You want that come 2023 if we are a year out from election, let this crisis sink further and let whoever is chancellor then deal with a building labour reputation by you stuffing it.

In the mean time leave Starmer to air competence against Johnson until he's ousted, Yevette to use Patel as kitten playing with a mouse they've just caught as thats what they are strong on and public opinion is mostly on their side now.
 

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