A Political Thread pt. 2

[Bada-Bing!]

Plymouth shooting: Starmer asks why gunman had licence

The police watchdog is investigating the decision to give back Jake Davison's shotgun and certificate.

www.bbc.co.uk

At least the mass shootings are rare here, but the police who handed back his fire arm a month ago have a lot to answer for.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Crazy seeing all this happen in real time live on TV
BBC news shower a feed of Kabul and you could see plumes of black smoke as the embassies burned all their documents, and Chinooks flying in and out to ferry staff to the airport

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Crazy seeing all this happen in real time live on TV
BBC news shower a feed of Kabul and you could see plumes of black smoke as the embassies burned all their documents, and Chinooks flying in and out to ferry staff to the airport

Must have been how it felt watching the Vietnam aftermath

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Watched a clip from Biden talking about the withdrawal about 4 months ago.
Literally the exact opposite of what he said then happened.

 

[ncurd]

 

[Reiser99]

Got to love a strong statement from our foreign secretary.

 

[Reiser99]

This is turning into a humiliation for Britain and America. All efforts to justify it just sound pathetic.

 

[ncurd]

Should say refugees aside, I have no idea what we actually do significant forces were required to keep a relative peace for the last 20 years (relative doing a lot of leg work). You either have to accept they must stay indefinitely or leave the region to itself. Neither of which seams like a solution. Which we should of learnt from the Russians.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Reality is it might have worked out if the outside forces had bothered with the humanitarian side of things the past 20 years.
Literally a repeat of Vietnam (Although to give credit the Vietnamese were winning the war anyway).

Failed to put in people in charge that was respected. In fact people hated them in plenty of local areas they put in charge the most corrupt people just because they are more willing to be a puppet.
It's always happens.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

And Al Qaida. The very reason US went in in the first place.

What does the Taliban’s return mean for al-Qaida in Afghanistan?

UK defence secretary is worried that ‘al-Qaida will probably come back’ – but it is already there

www.theguardian.com

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

apparently gunfire at Kubal airport

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

When was the last time the USA or Britain stuck their noses into a conflict or created a conflict that didn't end as a complete ******* disaster?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

When was the last time the USA or Britain stuck their noses into a conflict or created a conflict that didn't end as a complete ******* disaster?

TBF when was the last time any country stuck their noses into a conflict or created a conflict that didn't end as a complete ******* disaster?

 

[ncurd]

WW2? Literally about the only justifiable war there has ever been, outcomes pretty good for the most part in terms of stabilised Western Europe. Pretty much ended the British Empire even if we left a lot of it messed up.

But yeah hence my mentioning the Russians these things are always a collassal **** up.

 

[Reiser99]

When was the last time the USA or Britain stuck their noses into a conflict or created a conflict that didn't end as a complete ******* disaster?

Definitely in terms of the attempts at democracy in North Africa and the Middle East. I read a book by Reza Aslan and he summarised that these countries need to develop a democracy that works with Islam, rather than having a western style democracy imposed on them. I feel that support for fundamentalist Islam has grown stronger in the region as many see it as the antidote to western intervention.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Definitely in terms of the attempts at democracy in North Africa and the Middle East. I read a book by Reza Aslan and he summarised that these countries need to develop a democracy that works with Islam, rather than having a western style democracy imposed on them. I feel that support for fundamentalist Islam has grown stronger in the region as many see it as the antidote to western intervention.

The stupid thing is a lot of this fundamentalist Islam again traces its roots back to western intervention back in the cold war. We played a large role in assisting the creation of the Taliban and militant Islam as a way to ward of Communism. It's like we never learn, creating extremists always come back to bit you in the arse.

 

[Yulia]

I think this wave will reach Uzbekistan, they are already concerned about it there. Probably will be a new country that will interfere in it (Turkey maybe? I don't know). From all the "big players", the only one country that never interfered there was China though

 

[Reiser99]

After reading the bbc summary if anything the Taliban are stronger militarily than ever.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Are they?
From reports I read it's more the afghan army is nearly a ghost army.

 

[Reiser99]

Are they?
From reports I read it's more the afghan army is nearly a ghost army.

Who are the Taliban?

The hardline Islamist group retook control of Afghanistan as foreign forces pulled out in 2021.

www.bbc.co.uk

My bad I read it wrong, but they are thought to be stronger than at any point since 2001.

"The group is thought to now be stronger in numbers than at any point since they were ousted in 2001 - with up to 85,000 full time fighters, according to recent Nato estimates."