[2022 Six Nations] Scotland vs England (05/02/22)

[Jakedood]

All throws to 1 in the lineout suffer at least one of the following:
not straight*
not 5*
knocked on*
taken by opposing 1
forward pass back to hooker*
getting bundled into touch
*Admittedly the ref may not notice

It's a really high risk call and not one to be taken 5m from your line under any circumstances.

I would also expect any professional rugby player to be able to throw a ball 8m at a pre-determined height; 2 ball has to be the safest option. If they can't find someone amongst the remaining 14 players, then George should have been on.

If they can find someone to do it, then they should have done it.

What's the worst that could have happened with a 2 ball? Scotland get the ball? It's in no way worse than what did happen and had great scope to be better.

It's just a complete lack of thinking.

It can work if creative with it in a shortened lineout, for example 3 man lineout, pod moves back and the rear lifter makes a sprint to the empty space at the front (with speed, it should provide safe ball)
But with 5+ it can be risky too, as all throws are, more so because Scotland would have expected something funky, and a possible throw to the front when Marler stepped up on the touchline, so element of surprise is gone

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

NGL it's funny watching pundits and fans say why bring on ford give smith the full 80.

Despite them all crying that Ford wasn't picked.

What's the point of bringing a player who can only play 10 if you don't plan on using him then and therefore was Eddie right to leave ford out of the squad in the first place?
Can't have it both ways I feel.

The 60-20 split for outhalves is a very common and reasonable tactic I feel. Ireland have been doing it since the Jackson days. (more enforced by Sexton's age lately admittedly)

It was probably Wales' biggest weapon after the red card last year, Sheedy closed out some games very well for them.

Like the consensus seems to be that Smith orchestrates late comebacks so keep him on, but not that he should have orchestrated the first hour of that game so that England were winning reasonably comfortably. England ran for 100 more meters had 55% possession and 62% territory, and conceded three less penalties than Scotland. Based on my eye test of the game Scotland probably caught up in all of those stats after Smith went off, which begs the question why were they still in touch? They were always going to finish stronger at home with the game still on the line.

I'm fairly sure Smith will be a better player than Ford ever was but in his first Six Nations start he learnt a valuable lesson. When you don't have to leave the game hanging on a late moment of excellence and/or luck you shouldn't, because the other team are far more likely to have players as good as you or better who know how to make those moments go in their favour also.

 

[BrokenWing]

No it doesn't but having 2 positions on the bench that only cover 2 positions is not really well planned.

Trouble with plans is they never survive contact. The key is being able to identify and change the plan... Something which for all his "experiments" Jones doesn't seem to be very good at.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Get your passports or drivers licenses looked out lads.

Porn sites will be legally required to verify users' age

Users may be asked to prove they own a credit card or confirm their age, under new UK rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

Dumb af nanny state policies

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It can work if creative with it in a shortened lineout, for example 3 man lineout, pod moves back and the rear lifter makes a sprint to the empty space at the front (with speed, it should provide safe ball)
But with 5+ it can be risky too, as all throws are, more so because Scotland would have expected something funky, and a possible throw to the front when Marler stepped up on the touchline, so element of surprise is gone

Briefly thought this was in response to this:

I know it's off topic, but how does this even work? Surely it only applies if the website is is registered to and operates out of the UK. How are they going to fine an American site or a Brazilian site for example?

Super confused prior to my coffee this morning.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

So is this now a corn discussion thread?

If so can I plug my onlyfans?

 

[General Melchett]

I know it's off topic, but how does this even work? Surely it only applies if the website is is registered to and operates out of the UK. How are they going to fine an American site or a Brazilian site for example?

I have no idea how these sites work (ahem, clears throat) but given the obvious data security risks I don't know who in their right mind would provide personal information or ID documents. I don't know how overseas sites would check the authenticity of documents. Maybe people will just log in as Boris Johnson and claim 'nobody told me it was a porn site'.

 

[General Melchett]

Briefly thought this was in response to this:

Super confused prior to my coffee this morning.

Scotland beating England at Murrayfield is porn to anyone north of the border.

 

[Scotty]

NGL it's funny watching pundits and fans say why bring on ford give smith the full 80.

Despite them all crying that Ford wasn't picked.

What's the point of bringing a player who can only play 10 if you don't plan on using him then and therefore was Eddie right to leave ford out of the squad in the first place?
Can't have it both ways I feel.

This is an issue ive said before, Smith is an 80 minute player who i think woild have bennefited England more if he had played 80.

Taking him off for Ford may have out us in a worse position.(he hasnt played much for England for a while plus Smith has record of doing better at the end of games, and dombrandt was going to come on, mix that with if daly had been taken off and marchant at 13, he'd be more comfortable).

Not having a real 10 on the bench and we end up with Slade at 10 at 30 min point because of an injury is catastrophic.

Its the exact reason i was shocked it was ford and not Furbank at 22, EJ sees him and has played him at 10 before but again i wouldnt want him as the primary 10 if an early injury happened to Smith

So i dont know what the right answer is, what i do know is EJ will do the opposite to what it is.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Not wanting to **** on OKeefe too much but I thought this at the time - should have been another pen to England pretty blatantly

 

[Which Tyler]

Not wanting to **** on OKeefe too much but I thought this at the time - should have been another pen to England pretty blatantly

not just hands, but elbows on the floor - as with yourself, thought so at the time too.

TBH though, it's one of those you wouldn't really care about 20 minutes into the game - but a much easier shot at goal than the one turned down a few minutes earlier

 

[AlRums]

 

[TRF_Olyy]

He tackled one player, who he didn't get to ground, then two others joined

Bit of an over exaggeration - is every choke tackle one man tackling XYZ men?

 

[Jimbo]

I struggle with the school of thought that Smith is largely to blame based on not making the most of the domination England had for 60 minutes, England we're winning when he went off, I also believe the momentum swing happened after, LCD has to shoulder a fair bit of the blame he was out of position but you would expect a pro rugby player to do better either attempt to catch it and potentially fail resulting in a potential try, or don't catch it and concede the try, both are much better outcomes that a pretty much guaranteed PT. Bottom line is England marginally lost in a game they were expected to lose which they did dominate and were the better team for large parts, If they can get the attacking game going and capitalise on some of the half opportunities they created they could go far, it's really too early to tell, if only Youngs was dropped .

 

[Scotty]

I struggle with the school of thought that Smith is largely to blame based on not making the most of the domination England had for 60 minutes, England we're winning when he went off, I also believe the momentum swing happened after, LCD has to shoulder a fair bit of the blame he was out of position but you would expect a pro rugby player to do better either attempt to catch it and potentially fail resulting in a potential try, or don't catch it and concede the try, both are much better outcomes that a pretty much guaranteed PT. Bottom line is England marginally lost in a game they were expected to lose which they did dominate and were the better team for large parts, If they can get the attacking game going and capitalise on some of the half opportunities they created they could go far, it's really too early to tell, if only Youngs was dropped .

Ive not read anyone saying Smith is to blame? If anything he should have stayed on longer. Where are people saying this?

LCD had a brain fart big time and was in a position he shouldnt be in defending wide, was a screw up and 100% PT and YC and he should start next game anyway

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Jones has ‘no regrets’ after England’s Six Nations failure as Launchbury returns

Eddie Jones is urging England to ‘stay tough’ after defeat against Scotland as they prepare to face Italy in the Six Nations

www.theguardian.com

"Jones has 'no regrets' after England's Six Nations failure as Launchbury returns"

Reading that article, it's slightly concerning. Jones says he's convinced England dominated everything, should have won and he doesn't regret any of his tactical decisions... Sorry but what!? Leaving a hooker off the field for a defensive throw right on your own line, having a hooker defending on the wing, bringing Nowell on after the clock had gone red, not use 2 of our other subs at all, complete lack of any sort of attacking threat, complete inability to convert possession, territory and meters run into points?

Not really sure how someone can look at a game they claim they dominated but lost and say they have no regrets.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Jones has ‘no regrets’ after England’s Six Nations failure as Launchbury returns

Eddie Jones is urging England to ‘stay tough’ after defeat against Scotland as they prepare to face Italy in the Six Nations

www.theguardian.com

"Jones has 'no regrets' after England's Six Nations failure as Launchbury returns"

Reading that article, it's slightly concerning. Jones says he's convinced England dominated everything, should have won and he doesn't regret any of his tactical decisions... Sorry but what!? Leaving a hooker off the field for a defensive throw right on your own line, having a hooker defending on the wing, bringing Nowell on after the clock had gone red, not use 2 of our other subs at all, complete lack of any sort of attacking threat, complete inability to convert possession, territory and meters run into points?

Not really sure how someone can look at a game they claim they dominated but lost and say they have no regrets.

Typical arrogant Jones, always thinks he's right even when he's not.

 

[Which Tyler]

Reading that article, it's slightly concerning. Jones says he's convinced England dominated everything, should have won and he doesn't regret any of his tactical decisions... Sorry but what!?

Oh come on - since when does any professional coach ever come out and say otherwise to the press - for that matter, since when was anything any player or coach says to the press worth listening to? let alone an accurate reflection of what they say in team meetings?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Oh come on - since when does any professional coach ever come out and say otherwise to the press - for that matter, since when was anything any player or coach says to the press worth listening to? let alone an accurate reflection of what they say in team meetings?

It could be dismissed as Jones being Jones and just lobbing red meat for the media but it's a turnaround from what he normally says about "I take full responsibility". In there he says it's for the players to offer fixes and he thinks he did nothing wrong. It's a huge change in tone from the usual.

 

[BrokenWing]

"It's for the players to offer fixes.... But if they offer any fix that's not what I've decided we're doing, they'll never put on an England jersey again"