[2022 Six Nations] Scotland vs England (05/02/22)

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

and if youse would take the time to tell Lizzie to stop getting into trouble, then god wouldn't have to interrupt every other f**king weekend to go save her.

God will soon become a republican when he gets sick of having his beer getting warm when he's off saving her instead of sitting down to watch god's team* play.

*and that ain't England.

I am so confused about wtf this post means

 

[Amiga500]

I am so confused about wtf this post means

He's getting mighty sick of you lot crying for him to go save Lizzie ever other week when there are 80,000 of you sat there on yer holes doing nothing to save her yerselves apart from calling at him loudly and out of tune.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

He's getting mighty sick of you lot crying for him to go save Lizzie ever other week when there are 80,000 of you sat there on yer holes doing nothing to save her yerselves apart from calling at him loudly and out of tune.

I sing it every morning in front of the flagpole I have at the foot of my bed actually so you can **** right off

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I'll be honest, that is something we learnt from the English, take credit for others achievements

Although the yanks have honed that to a fine art

excuse me. First to America, first to space, first to end slavery, won WW2, won WW1, am I missing anything?

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

excuse me. First to America, first to space, first to end slavery, won WW2, won WW1, am I missing anything?

Vikings were first to America, Russia first to space (I might be misremembering this one), no country has successfully ended slavery just changed how it looks, the spitfire won ww2

Just bring an arse for comedic value btw.

 

[retired9]

I think this Scotland side is better up front and defensively, but really lacking in the centres compared to that of Vern Cotter's Scotland. Peak Huw Jones had real x-factor to translate the dynamism of Finn into great attacking opportunities for the backline. I don't fancy the excellent Scottish backline to get many scoring opportunities and keep Scotland as likely 5th overall (I've got sick of picking them to win in Cardiff and then they fluff it). Hard to judge when they were feeding off scraps yesterday, but it's my hunch.

I tend to agree with you, the centres aren't anything game changing although I don't think there was much opportunity to really see them on Saturday. Harris and Johnson absoloutely have their place in my book, albeit they aren't perhaps the out and out flair pairing. Peak Jones was superb but we haven't seen this for a while and to be fair to Harris, the defence has been much much tighter since he came in. I think Gregor will find a way to hit the balance yet, Redpath might be all the change that's required.

England for me was a bit like watching some of the Scotland of years passed, everything on your side at 80mins except the scoreboard. Much as I am not a big fan, the absence of Farrell really showed, not because of him per se more because the attack wasn't achieving much past 10 (Smith was superb). Maybe not enough leadership in the midfield, maybe not quite the right selection, maybe not enough game time together - I'm not really sure I don't have enough knowledge of the wider squad and who's available.

But as a Scot I will gladly take this as a well fought out win, Calcutta cup games are usually tight and nervy this one was certainly of that mould. Wales I expect to get a bit of backlash from after Dublin, that said this Scotland team are absolutely capable of beating Wales it's the Cardiff factor that is the big challenge.... onward and upwards!

 

[Bada-Bing!]

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[Which Tyler]

Russians were first to America, Russia first to space (I might be misremembering this one), no country has successfully ended slavery just changed how it looks, the spitfire won ww2

Just bring an arse for comedic value btw.

FTFY

 

[MikeTheNative]

I think the 'conservative' Scottish Centre pairing helps them play the game they want to play. Harris is one of the best defenders at 13 in the world and all the back 3 have that x factor with the ball. Sam Johnson has shown he can break a line or two as well. Huw Jones may have a nice highlight reel but it's a bit telling that he's been passed over by multiple coaches at this point.

 

[No4or5]

England seemed well on top until scotland were allowed to take a quick linout,after a ball boy catches it then swapped for a dry one and score a try .or have i missed a law change

You can use any ball you like if the lineout has formed, which in this case it had, with at least 2 players from each side. If you take a "quick" lineout, before it has been formed, then you must use the original ball that was kicked from the field of play. England basically asleep at the wheel.

 

[Umaga's Witness]

I'm sure fans of both teams will have plenty to be diappponted about but I enjoyed the game and enjoyed the underdog winning a tense match. Thought it was a stupid decision to take the three points when england were down to 14 but it ended up being enough.

 

[Jakedood]

I think if I was looking at this objectively I'd say a couple things

1. England werent direct enough, with very few hard lines holding the defense from drifting, the kicking in behind was vastly overplayed, especially with overlaps, but England needed someone to just hit a line and make a 4 v 2 a 3 on 1, and they didnt do this well all day

2. Ben Youngs slow service really prevented using quick ball effectively, England quite often beat their forward counterparts round the corner, creating extra numbers and mismatches, and yet the defense was given extra time to set, meaning the attempted isolation of defenders looking at multiple options never really materialised, and he was a huge down point in this game. There was a 13 second ruck at one point. 13 bloody seconds

3. Until LCD mistake, England were at 6 penalties, and had conceded none in the first 20 mins of the second half, big improvement from them in this area

4. Rucking clearouts needed to be much much quicker at times, the ruck did on occasion get quite messy, even when England had made yards past the gain line

5. Marcus Smith has engineered a remarkable number of last minute comebacks this year, an outhalf isnt usually in a position of being exhausted at 60 mins, this was poor from EJ

6. Englands defense conceded off a smart Scotland lineout (Could be easily fixed) , with poor decision making on who to tackle from Isiekwe, and a penalty try that LCD maybe should have caught, held onto and conceded a penalty. In essence, England's defense was actually quite good this game

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Vikings were first to America, Russia first to space (I might be misremembering this one), no country has successfully ended slavery just changed how it looks, the spitfire won ww2

Just bring an arse for comedic value btw.

I feel like the Internet has ruined the us textbook propaganda machine.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I can't get too fussed about the Smith substitution. Like most these days it was pre ordained and unnecessary, but it was a v tight, tense game in poor conditions and Ford is the experienced man. Smith had largely gone well but he hadn't been day of days perfect, it was his 6N debut and the first time he'd played away from HQ. In a lot of ways it was fairly logical at the time.

I was angry though that we didn't manage to sub on George for that defensive line out. Barking, leaving that to Marler at all. And when would you ever call a man coming round the front on a defensive line out? Even if it had gone 5 the odds would have been on the Scots bundling him into touch and getting the attacking throw.

Could / should Curry as captain have forced the substitution to get George on?

 

[retired9]

I think the 'conservative' Scottish Centre pairing helps them play the game they want to play. Harris is one of the best defenders at 13 in the world and all the back 3 have that x factor with the ball. Sam Johnson has shown he can brake a line or two as well. Huw Jones may have a nice highlight reel but it's a bit telling that he's been passed over by multiple coaches at this point.

Good point, Jones was always pulled up for his defense.

I can't get too fussed about the Smith substitution. Like most these days it was pre ordained and unnecessary, but it was a v tight, tense game in poor conditions and Ford is the experienced man. Smith had largely gone well but he hadn't been day of days perfect, it was his 6N debut and the first time he'd played away from HQ. In a lot of ways it was fairly logical at the time.

I was angry though that we didn't manage to sub on George for that defensive line out. Barking, leaving that to Marler at all. And when would you ever call a man coming round the front on a defensive line out? Even if it had gone 5 the odds would have been on the Scots bundling him into touch and getting the attacking throw.

Could / should Curry as captain have forced the substitution to get George on?

I think the biggest crime was the call, Marler looked to be capable of an OK throw which with a front jumper should have been perfectly adequate for the situation. Under the pressure of a fast short take the runner and the thrower got it wrong IMO.

 

[MikeTheNative]

I can't get too fussed about the Smith substitution. Like most these days it was pre ordained and unnecessary, but it was a v tight, tense game in poor conditions and Ford is the experienced man. Smith had largely gone well but he hadn't been day of days perfect, it was his 6N debut and the first time he'd played away from HQ. In a lot of ways it was fairly logical at the time.

I was angry though that we didn't manage to sub on George for that defensive line out. Barking, leaving that to Marler at all. And when would you ever call a man coming round the front on a defensive line out? Even if it had gone 5 the odds would have been on the Scots bundling him into touch and getting the attacking throw.

Could / should Curry as captain have forced the substitution to get George on?

Not sure if this is 100% correct but I think it for it to be reversible the sub can only be for a scrum.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Not sure if this is 100% correct but I think it for it to be reversible the sub can only be for a scrum.

Yes this is it - we would have ended with LCD in the back row most likely - Jones said afterwards I belive that he didn't want to upset the back row who he thought were going well

 

[Crash Hamster]

Yes this is it - we would have ended with LCD in the back row most likely - Jones said afterwards I belive that he didn't want to upset the back row who he thought were going well

Could have taken Marchant off, played minus one winger then subbed LCD off after his sinbin for Nowell. Both would have been irreversible substitutions not 'must have a front rower for the scrum' reversible ones, but at 65 minutes (75 after the sin bin) it wouldn't have mattered.

Poor, poor coaching, I thought, especially as he ended up having to bring George on immediately after the lineout cockup anyway. Of course, George could have bombed the lineout throw anyway, but it couldn't have been any worse than it actually turned out to be. For a 'tactical genius' is was really dopey.

 

[g6mcg]

Not sure if this is 100% correct but I think it for it to be reversible the sub can only be for a scrum.

But couldn't England have then subbed LCD when he came back on? E.g. Marchant off for George, LCD off for Nowell

 

[MikeTheNative]

But couldn't England have then subbed LCD when he came back on? E.g. Marchant off for George, LCD off for Nowell

I believe so but it seems Jones preferred to keep a full back line on