2021 British & Irish Lions Squad

[Welsh Exile]

Or went to a rugby World Cup final oh wait...

Almost like rugby didn't just begin with the 6N's shocker

I'm not following you. Can you clarify the point you're making?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Rumour mill saying Biggar is pulling out of the Lions tour to sign a ridiculously lucrative contract with Toulouse
Same deal offered to Lawes as well
(Rumour mill being Fissler and WOL, so take with a very large pinch of salt)

That's got to be bollix. No way would Bigs pull out of a lions tour.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

No, definitely didn't take anything positive away from that game. Learnt nothing. How hilarious.

It's not so much the idea he took something positive from it but that the way it is portrayed as how AWJ was such a nice guy for giving him such important life lessons rather than being his usual ******** self and Sinckler learning from it. AWJ did no favour for him, he did not teach him some great lesson or anything, he was a prick and that's it.

 

[Welsh Exile]

It's not so much the idea he took something positive from it but that the way it is portrayed as how AWJ was such a nice guy for giving him such important life lessons rather than being his usual ******** self and Sinckler learning from it. AWJ did no favour for him, he did not teach him some great lesson or anything, he was a prick and that's it.

Well obviously not. Lol. I think perhaps I've been misinterpreted. The idea that AWJ would go into a test match against England thinking "I'm going to help Kyle Sinkler career" is ridiculous.

He was clearly targeting him all game as a tactic to help Wales win the game. I'm just saying a consequence of that is that Sinkler really learned from that experience to help him become a better rugby player.

As I said, the hatred and vitriol aimed at AWJ often clouds people's thinking on it.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I should say the hatred for Wales and all things Welsh often clouds people's thinking.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Well obviously not. Lol. I think perhaps I've been misinterpreted. The idea that AWJ would go into a test match against England thinking "I'm going to help Kyle Sinkler career" is ridiculous.

He was clearly targeting him all game as a tactic to help Wales win the game. I'm just saying a consequence of that is that Sinkler really learned from that experience to help him become a better rugby player.

As I said, the hatred and vitriol aimed at AWJ often clouds people's thinking on it.

I think it's more the fact that many in Wales view AWJ as this mountain of rugby brilliance and all round fantastic guy whereas outside Wales he's viewed as a *** who loves to whinge and is a huge windup merchant. It's that massive disparity and apparent Welsh blindness to actually what a bellend he is on the field that leads to such reactions. Few English think Farrell is gods gift to rugby and he gets tons of abuse, many Welsh think AWJ is gods gift to rugby and are then surprised when many outside Wales strongly disagree.

If anything I'd argue it's the opposite, it's the Welsh fans whose perception of AWJ is clouded, not the rest of the worlds.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Really pleased for Sinks.

 

[Groundhog]

One less reason to feel bad when the Lions get pummeled! Rough for Porter, he absolutely deserved to be picked

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think it's more the fact that many in Wales view AWJ as this mountain of rugby brilliance and all round fantastic guy whereas outside Wales he's viewed as a *** who loves to whinge and is a huge windup merchant. It's that massive disparity and apparent Welsh blindness to actually what a bellend he is on the field that leads to such reactions. Few English think Farrell is gods gift to rugby and he gets tons of abuse, many Welsh think AWJ is gods gift to rugby and are then surprised when many outside Wales strongly disagree.

If anything I'd argue it's the opposite, it's the Welsh fans whose perception of AWJ is clouded, not the rest of the worlds.

I'm talking about in here though. I have, and neither do you, no idea about how AWJ is perceived globally. I mean, I could post a video where legends all across the game were paying their respects to AWJ when he became most capped international player but what would that prove? I don't think you have any idea about how he is perceived in Wales either tbh, you're just basing it off internet stuff. That's why I'm just focusing on stuff I know and interactions on here which are, imo, comical as the hatred is so strong. It's the English equivalent to the WOL comment section.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Imagine reading anything any English poster has said about AWJ and construing it as "hatred"

I called him geriatric and frail, and compared him to a 90yr old lol

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm talking about in here though. I have, and neither do you, no idea about how AWJ is perceived globally. I mean, I could post a video where legends all across the game were paying their respects to AWJ when he became most capped international player but what would that prove? I don't think you have any idea about how he is perceived in Wales either tbh, you're just basing it off internet stuff. That's why I'm just focusing on stuff I know and interactions on here which are, imo, comical as the hatred is so strong. It's the English equivalent to the WOL comment section.

I mean it really isn't, WOL is a completely different beast and if you struggle to accept that a perennial whinger and engager in gamesmanship isn't exactly liked outside Wales then I suggest you haven't had enough looking outside of Welsh media. This isn't the sole place I've got rugby opinion from you know?

If you actually read the opinion most people agree AWJ has been a great player in the past and is definitely durable. His ability with the ref is also something most teams would want, the difference is not subscribing to the god-worship of him that exists in Wales calling him one of the best locks ever, that he'd walk into any team, unseen work, intangibles etc etc. If he wasn't so bigged up by Welsh fans he wouldn't have to be brought down repeatedly by non-Welsh.

It's like the iceman persona of Farrell, it's a persona that is above being actually deserved by the player.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Imagine reading anything any English poster has said about AWJ and construing it as "hatred"

I called him geriatric and frail, and compared him to a 90yr old lol

Sorry, I can see why you'd think I meant that literally. Naturally I'm talking about sporting hatred.

I work on the assumption that no one actually properly hates someone where they would wish them harm or anything.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean it really isn't, WOL is a completely different beast and if you struggle to accept that a perennial whinger and engager in gamesmanship isn't exactly liked outside Wales then I suggest you haven't had enough looking outside of Welsh media. This isn't the sole place I've got rugby opinion from you know?

I think you're just describing here to be honest. When you say outside of Wales you really mean on here or, at best, England. If not I will happily read any data you've got on how AWJ is perceived globally.

There is, for example, a massive difference between how the Irish posters, or few Scottish, post about AWJ compared to the English posters. Tone is hard to gauge on the net but it's pretty telling from a lot of you guys tbh.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think you're just describing here to be honest. When you say outside of Wales you really mean on here or, at best, England. If not I will happily read any data you've got on how AWJ is perceived globally.

There is, for example, a massive difference between how the Irish posters, or few Scottish, post about AWJ compared to the English posters. Tone is hard to gauge on the net but it's pretty telling from a lot of you guys tbh.

You are aware this forum has Scottish and Irish posters right?

Also if you want to browse, feel free to look at the likes of Green and Gold, various NZ forums etc.

 

[Welsh Exile]

You are aware this forum has Scottish and Irish posters right?

Also if you want to browse, feel free to look at the likes of Green and Gold, various NZ forums etc.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. From what I've seen there's a clear difference. Mainly in that one hardly talk about him but the English lads seem to love a good old AWJ bashing. That's cool obviously. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. From what I've seen there's a clear difference. Mainly in that one hardly talk about him but the English lads seem to love a good old AWJ bashing. That's cool obviously. Whatever floats your boat.

You'll fine plenty of AWJ bashing outside of England but you seem to have got it in your head that only the English engage in this...

 

[Welsh Exile]

You'll fine plenty of AWJ bashing outside of England but you seem to have got it in your head that only the English engage in this...

No, as I keep saying. I don't have a clue how he is perceived globally. I'm don't even truly know how's he's perceived in Wales (though I have a better idea) except you seem to think you've got your finger on the pulse with regards to this. I find it quite an extraordinary claim which is why I'd be very interested to see what you're basing this strong view on? There must be a lot of data out there that has you so convinced? Something other than internet sites perhaps? Some surveys have been done, academic papers written on it or is it perhaps, anecdotal evidence you collated over the years. Not a dig, by the way, we all do this.

Again, as I keep saying, I'm talking about on here. And on here I see a difference. Is that difference a true reflection of posters countries as a whole? Probably not but it's al least more factual than making unsubstantiated claims based on no evidence like you are.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Whatever, you seem to be convinced only the English really have a thing against AWJ whilst also admitted you don't have a clue what the view is anywhere. If that's the case why are you arguing?

Tell me, how many whinging players involved in gamesmanship do you know who are liked outside their own country? Then please explain why you'd be surprised to discover that when said player happens to be Welsh it gets the same reaction?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Lawes laying a marker down for that 6 shirt for the Lions (despite, technically, playing lock atm)

 

[Welsh Exile]

Whatever, you seem to be convinced only the English really have a thing against AWJ whilst also admitted you don't have a clue what the view is anywhere. If that's the case why are you arguing?

Tell me, how many whinging players involved in gamesmanship do you know who are liked outside their own country? Then please explain why you'd be surprised to discover that when said player happens to be Welsh it gets the same reaction?

That's your perception of him, which is subjective. Referees seem to get on well with him and he's pretty good at playing the "what me???" face and generally knows how to play the game.

I have no doubt he is hated by many people all over the world just as I'm sure he's very much respected by a lot of people all over the world. I can't get anymore specific then that as we're talking about millions of rugby fans and making sweeping statements is not very productive.