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[2018 Six Nations] England Squad

Why do people want May dropped?
If a winger should be dropped after Scotland it should be Watson, he was far worse.

That said I don't think either should be dropped, and I'd start Nowell with Watson at 15. EJ though, so won't happen.
 
Why do people want May dropped?
If a winger should be dropped after Scotland it should be Watson, he was far worse.

That said I don't think either should be dropped, and I'd start Nowell with Watson at 15. EJ though, so won't happen.
Yeah, especially after lashing out at the media for their treatment of Brown there's no way his ego will allow him to now go back on himself and drop him.
 
For france:
Marler
Hartley (should be George but wont be)
Williams
Itoje
Launchbury
Underhill
Robshaw (combo i dislike but we have no other good 7 options and locks dont work here so here it is.)
Hughes

Wigglesworth (care is a finisher)
Ford
Nowell
Faz
JJ
Watson
Brown

George (should start, should be LCD)
Mako (rest him, give him 20 min, leave him fresh for ireland game)
Sinkler
Lawes
Hask (need carriers and bringing on mako sinkler george and hask will get front foot ball for the backs)
Care
Teo (depends how the game's going, we get front foot ball and ford faz going well then rest JJ. Teo at 13 against a tired defence could make space for that back 3)
Daly (20 min on for brown, sooo much better than may)

Sinkler
Daly
Hask
Care
All added to the bench meams we actually have finishers not just subs. Power on the bench. Also 3 back rowers and 3 locks in the 23 not 4 locls and 2 back rowers leaving robshaw at 8 lol.

Will simmonds be fit for ireland does anyone know?
 
There's been a bit of chat about Haskell on here. Here's how I see it.

Not an 8 and shouldn't cover it.

Doesn't add much to carrying game. Strong in contact, but doesn't make the ground he should. Not the best pair of hands.

Not bad at the breakdown. For a big bloke. But smaller, more agile guys will always have an advantage.

Still prone to daft pens and not really a line out option.

Wouldn't up the pace as a finisher.

He's physical and experienced. Not my ideal, but wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have him starting at 6 with a limited brief. But beyond that we should be looking at others.
 
Team for Autumn
15. Daly - Not a FB
14. Watson - Not a Wing
13. Te'o - Not an OC
12. Farrell - Still becoming an IC
11. Nowell
10. Ford
9. Youngs
1. Vunipola
2. Hartley or George (Depends on need of captaincy)
3. Williams - Really?
4. Launchbury
5. Lawes
6. Itoje - Oh gods, please no more locks on the flank!
7. Simmonds
8. Billy

16. George or Dunn (if George starts then no place in squad for Hartley) - Dunn ahead of Taylor /LCD?
17. Sinckler - Not a LHP (unless I'm getting confused)
18. Genge - Not a THP (unless I'm getting confused)
19. Hughes (Itoje can cover 2nd row)
20. Underhill (covers 6/7)
21. Care
22. Lozowski (covers 10/12)
23. Joseph
Team for Autumn? awesome - so we're assuming everyone is fit and in reasonable form?

1. Marler / Genge
2. George / Taylor
3. Sinkler / Thomas
4. Itoje / Lawes
5. Launchbury / Isiekwe
6. Robshaw / Underhill
7. Simmonds / Curry
8. BVunipola / Hughes

9. Youngs / Maunder
10. Ford / Smith
11. May / Daly
12. Farrell / Te'o
13. Joseph / Tuilagi
14. Nowell / Cokanasiga
15. Watson / Brown

16. MVunipola; 17. Hartley; 18. Cole; 19. Kruis; 20. Mercer
21. Care; 22. Losowski; 23. Solomona

The 31 for the RWC comes from that 38 (probably dropping 3 from the back3; 2 from the midfield; a SH [it's Eddie] and a backrow
 
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For france:
Marler
Hartley (should be George but wont be)
Williams
Itoje
Launchbury
Underhill
Robshaw (combo i dislike but we have no other good 7 options and locks dont work here so here it is.)
Hughes


Wigglesworth (care is a finisher)
Ford
Nowell
Faz
JJ
Watson
Brown

George (should start, should be LCD)
Mako (rest him, give him 20 min, leave him fresh for ireland game)
Sinkler
Lawes
Hask (need carriers and bringing on mako sinkler george and hask will get front foot ball for the backs)
Care
Teo (depends how the game's going, we get front foot ball and ford faz going well then rest JJ. Teo at 13 against a tired defence could make space for that back 3)
Daly (20 min on for brown, sooo much better than may)

Sinkler
Daly
Hask
Care
All added to the bench meams we actually have finishers not just subs. Power on the bench. Also 3 back rowers and 3 locks in the 23 not 4 locls and 2 back rowers leaving robshaw at 8 lol.

Will simmonds be fit for ireland does anyone know?
Whilst I agree that Underhill is a more natural 6 than 7; he's still a better 7 than Robshaw, who in turn, is a better 6 than Underhill
 
Whilst I agree that Underhill is a more natural 6 than 7; he's still a better 7 than Robshaw, who in turn, is a better 6 than Underhill
Robshaw 6
Underhill 7

Offers nothing going forward though. Both 6s and need a simmonds/curry/ even willis eventually

But this will do for now
 
Team for Autumn? awesome - so we're assuming everyone is fit and in reasonable form?

1. Marler / Genge
2. George / Taylor
3. Sinkler / Thomas
4. Itoje / Lawes
5. Launchbury / Isiekwe
6. Robshaw / Underhill
7. Simmonds / Curry
8. BVunipola / Hughes

9. Youngs / Maunder
10. Ford / Smith
11. May / Daly
12. Farrell / Te'o
13. Joseph / Tuilagi
14. Nowell / Cokanasiga
15. Watson / Brown

16. MVunipola; 17. Hartley; 18. Cole; 19. Kruis; 20. Mercer
21. Care; 22. Losowski; 23. Solomona

The 31 for the RWC comes from that 38 (probably dropping 3 from the back3; 2 from the midfield; a SH [it's Eddie] and a backrow

Couple of interesting names there.

What's Lowoski's best position?

How has Cokanasiga been going for Irish?
 
Robshaw 6
Underhill 7

Offers nothing going forward though. Both 6s and need a simmonds/curry/ even willis eventually

But this will do for now

Agreed; Robshaw & Underhill is the best we've got for now.
Once we've got a little more choice (and experience into the youngsters) then we should chose one of them; and put Simmonds or Curry on the open side.

Willis is this month's overhyped messiah; as with the likes of Itoje and Slade - let's let him actually acheive something, and have a chance to overcome / not suffer Second Season Syndrome before throwing him into international waters. He's coming to club rugby just a little too late for RWC consideration; but comes into the mix in the post-RWC rebuild. Of course, if he has no dip in form whatsoever in the next 12 months; then we could consider taking him as a bit of a bolter into an established backrow. Unfortunately, we won't have an established OSF to pair him with; Alongside Robshaw and Billy/Nathan, we've room to experiment in the 7 shirt; but Robshaw Willis looks even less balanced than Robshaw Underhill to my eyes (admittedly, with limited viewing of Willis yet). Away from the RWC, I've no problem using the 7 shirt to get a 6 used to international rugby; the close we get though, the more I want people in the right shirts. Currently, we're wasting time putting locks at 6 and blind-sides on the open (or 8)
Couple of interesting names there.

What's Lowoski's best position?

How has Cokanasiga been going for Irish?
Lozowsksi's best position? 22 shirt for now. Best positions are always compromised by club requirements too; which will probably see Loz specialising as an IC (or even OC) as Barritt ages and Faz and Goode are undroppable at 10 and 15.
Equally, I always felt Faz's best position would be 12, but injury crisis followed by media hype had him in the 10 shirt until he'd forgotten how to play IC (he's doing a good job of remembering now).
Cokanasiga for Irish? who can tell? he's playing on the wing for the relegation fodder team - not the best place to put yourself in the shop window. I can't see him dropping down to the championship this time though; he's got an outside chance at a RWC spot if he's performing in the Prem (he'll need injuries; but take out one of Nowell/May/Watson, and someone's going - Roko is out of favour, Solomona's flakey, Yarde needs an attitude adjusmtent; so we're chosing between Earle and Cokanasiga. They're equally experienced; whilst Joe's 3 years younger, 10kg heavier and 10cm taller, offering more of a carrying threat than anyone else in contention (assuming Roko isn't actually in contention). Joe's got a USP, and for my money, that puts him ahead of the competition.
 
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Agreed; Robshaw & Underhill is the best we've got for now.
Once we've got a little more choice (and experience into the youngsters) then we should chose one of them; and put Simmonds or Curry on the open side.

Willis is this month's overhyped messiah; as with the likes of Itoje and Slade - let's let him actually acheive something, and have a chance to overcome / not suffer Second Season Syndrome before throwing him into international waters. He's coming to club rugby just a little too late for RWC consideration; but comes into the mix in the post-RWC rebuild. Of course, if he has no dip in form whatsoever in the next 12 months; then we could consider taking him as a bit of a bolter into an established backrow. Unfortunately, we won't have an established OSF to pair him with; Alongside Robshaw and Billy/Nathan, we've room to experiment in the 7 shirt; but Robshaw Willis looks even less balanced than Robshaw Underhill to my eyes (admittedly, with limited viewing of Willis yet). Away from the RWC, I've no problem using the 7 shirt to get a 6 used to international rugby; the close we get though, the more I want people in the right shirts. Currently, we're wasting time putting locks at 6 and blind-sides on the open (or 8)

Lozowsksi's best position? 22 shirt for now. Best positions are always compromised by club requirements too; which will probably see Loz specialising as an IC (or even OC) as Barritt ages and Faz and Goode are undroppable at 10 and 15.
Equally, I always felt Faz's best position would be 12, but injury crisis followed by media hype had him in the 10 shirt until he'd forgotten how to play IC (he's doing a good job of remembering now).
Cokanasiga for Irish? who can tell? he's playing on the wing for the relegation fodder team - not the best place to put yourself in the shop window. I can't see him dropping down to the championship this time though; he's got an outside chance at a RWC spot if he's performing in the Prem (he'll need injuries; but take out one of Nowell/May/Watson, and someone's going - Roko is out of favour, Solomona's flakey, Yarde needs an attitude adjusmtent; so we're chosing between Earle and Cokanasiga. They're equally experienced; whilst Joe's 3 years younger, 10kg heavier and 10cm taller, offering more of a carrying threat than anyone else in contention (assuming Roko isn't actually in contention). Joe's got a USP, and for my money, that puts him ahead of the competition.

I tend to agree on not wanting to promote Willis too quickly. Although I'd disagree on a Flanker pairing of him and Robshaw being less balanced than Underhill and Robshaw. The early evidence suggests Willis is a better carrier than Underhill and they're probably even in the lineout.

I don't really understand why Ben Curry gets almost no attention? Any reference to the Currys tends to be focused on Tom who has been injured for a while. Ben's been quietly putting in consistently excellent performances for Sale for more than a season now (I thought he was better than Tom last season too). As an option at 7, I'd like to see him get a go. He's a very well rounded player with all the attributes you'd expect from a good Flanker along with some surprisingly good skills in the loose (I've seen him put in some deft kicks and lovely passes).

Re. Lozowski - I think he'll probably end up at 12. On the whole, I've been disappointed with him the season. He's played plenty but had very little impact in comparison to last season.
 
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Saw Cokanasiga do a cracking run and carry for Irish at the weekend. That's all I know tho :)
Cokonasiga is so wasted at Irish. He's so dangerous when he gets decent ball, he just doesn't get any decent ball at Irish. If he was playing for Wasps or Sarries he'd be tearing the Premiership apart. He really is a freak; 112kg should not be able to move as fast and with as much agility as he does.
 
He'll be off at the end of the season, unless LI have found some cheat-codes.... it's widely speculated that he's got a release clause in his contract.

He's still raw, but jesus, he's got a lot of potential.
 
He'll be off at the end of the season, unless LI have found some cheat-codes.... it's widely speculated that he's got a release clause in his contract.
If we don't hold onto Cordero I'd love to see him at Chiefs. He has family down here so wouldn't be the biggest surprise. If not then I imagine Bath and Tigers would probably show some interest.
 
Cokonasiga is so wasted at Irish. He's so dangerous when he gets decent ball, he just doesn't get any decent ball at Irish. If he was playing for Wasps or Sarries he'd be tearing the Premiership apart. He really is a freak; 112kg should not be able to move as fast and with as much agility as he does.

That is precisely what we need, let's hope he's given a chance. Park Tuilagi inside him and I'd even be prepared to keep Ford and Faz.

Playing fantasy RWC backlines....

Youngs, Ford, May, Faz, Manu, Cokanasiga & Watson.

2 playmakers, 2 line breakers and 2 sprinters. Balanced. Not sure on the defence but the attack would be fun to watch.
 
If we don't hold onto Cordero I'd love to see him at Chiefs. He has family down here so wouldn't be the biggest surprise. If not then I imagine Bath and Tigers would probably show some interest.
Bath are supposed to have first dibs; and that probably played a part in whether it was worth keeping Banahan or not. Coka would be the closest thing possible to a like-for-like replacement whilst also being a step up in potential.

As for whoever mentioned the Curries - I still see them as interchangeable; preferably in a The Prestige manner at half time. Typicallly, I just name A Curry when I want one; and it can be whichever of them is actually getting game time in the previous 6 weeks
 

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