[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 4: England vs Scotland (12/03/2017)

[titans12]

perhaps its because we're so nice that we let them field an equal amount of players .

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Scotland/Population

5.295 million

England/Population

53.01 million



England 1,990,988 registered players.

Scotland 38,500 registered players.

Truly David vs Goliath.

It's quite sad how much pleasure the English get from beating the wee man over and over.

Another funny stat, England have a 3rd of the registered players in the world. 1,990,988/4,504,188

still 15 v 15 on the field tho .(please ignore my post above . brainfart )

 

[Raggs]

Noticed the same myself recently with regards to Hughes involvement. He's too interesting to the defence to be able to leave alone.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

On the flip side you can call it karma. Scotland have got away with murder at the breakdown against France and Wales and faced minimal punishment. All that happened this game is the ref actually started penalising your illegal play. On England's side, against Italy and Wales we faced 2 teams who frequently were doing illegal stuff and getting away with it. Also Scotland should have had a red for the Daly tackle and they ref was looking for any excuse to give Hughes a yellow. I think looking to give England a yellow the first chance he got and not giving a justified red tells a lot about who the ref wanted to penalise.

I think the Hughes call was lucky to be honest, had that tackle been executed on a man with the ball he'd have seen yellow for a tackle with no arms. Both the ref and TMO focused only on the fact that the tackle was late (It wasn't) and not the illegality of the tackle itself. Brown should have seen red for the tip tackle though.

Can't really comment on the rest as I was working and by the time I was finished it was over as a contest and I had little enough interest.

 

[Raggs]

I think the Hughes call was lucky to be honest, had that tackle been executed on a man with the ball he'd have seen yellow for a tackle with no arms. Both the ref and TMO focused only on the fact that the tackle was late (It wasn't) and not the illegality of the tackle itself. Brown should have seen red for the tip tackle though.

Can't really comment on the rest as I was working and by the time I was finished it was over as a contest and I had little enough interest.

Erm... are you partially, or selectively, deaf (and blind)? Arms were clearly used, which is why the TMO came in when the ref was considering a yellow and told the ref he did use his arms. If the man had the ball it wouldn't have been even a penalty...

 

[Every Time Ref]

Noticed the same myself recently with regards to Hughes involvement. He's too interesting to the defence to be able to leave alone.

I assume Billy will run the same moves once he's back in, but it does show that for all Hughes isn't as good as Billy, he isn't incapable of filling his shoes

 

[Raggs]

I assume Billy will run the same moves once he's back in, but it does show that for all Hughes isn't as good as Billy, he isn't incapable of filling his shoes

Billy absolutely will be running those lines, to just as much effect. I don't think anyone would claim Hughes has been as good as Billy, but there are some that seem to think that because of that, he's been dire every game, regardless of the evidence.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Erm... are you partially, or selectively, deaf (and blind)? Arms were clearly used, which is why the TMO came in when the ref was considering a yellow and told the ref he did use his arms. If the man had the ball it wouldn't have been even a penalty...

He didn't complete the tackle with arms at all, he was standing upright when Seymour hit the ground, that's illegal.

 

[McTallshort]

And conceded a penalty accordingly

 

[Which Tyler]

Sorry TAB, but that's pure ******

It was a little late, he sort where you can't complain either way on a penalty decision.
He did try to wrap his arms
It was nowhere near high (despite the ref's opinion)
And remaining on your feet is not a penalty offence

 

[Raggs]

And conceded a penalty accordingly

Penalised for the late tackle, correctly. Ref wanted to go yellow until TMO told him Hughes used his arms.

 

[McTallshort]

I also thought Hughes had a decent game yesterday but we all know Billy is the man

 

[Goodey]

Thanks for the lost post ETR, enjoyed that

next time post gifs

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Sorry TAB, but that's pure ******

It was a little late, he sort where you can't complain either way on a penalty decision.
He did try to wrap his arms
It was nowhere near high (despite the ref's opinion)
And remaining on your feet is not a penalty offence

As per the 2017 laws "A tackle occurs when the ball carrier is held by one or more opponents and isbrought to ground.A ball carrier who is not held is not a tackled player and a tackle has not takenplace.Opposition players who hold the ball carrier and bring that player to ground, andwho also go to ground, are known as tacklers.Opposition players who hold the ball carrier and do not go to ground are nottacklers."

Seymour wasn't held and brought to the ground, he was hit and knocked to the ground, the wrap has to be completed for a tackle to take place not just attempted, it was clumsy by Hughes, maybe not a YC (I'd need to see it again) but not a legal tackle.

 

[Goodey]

I think the Hughes call was lucky to be honest, had that tackle been executed on a man with the ball he'd have seen yellow for a tackle with no arms. Both the ref and TMO focused only on the fact that the tackle was late (It wasn't) and not the illegality of the tackle itself.

pictured: no arms

???

 

[McTallshort]

pictured: no arms

???

Send him off!

 

[Which Tyler]

If the second paragraph is really your opinion, then you must be brand new to rugby. Far more likely is that your spouting ******

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

pictured: no arms

???

Show me a still from a split second later, if you have one, my issue isn't how the tackle started but rather finished..

 

[Every Time Ref]

Thanks for the lost post ETR, enjoyed that

next time post gifs

Haha yes I know it's a bit of a pain without the visuals, but I don't know how to make them!

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Show me a still from a split second later, if you have one, my issue isn't how the tackle started but rather finished..

So if he'd done exactly the same thing except fallen over with Seymour it would have been fine? I'm really struggling to see your logic here

 

[Goodey]

Show me a still from a split second later, if you have one, my issue isn't how the tackle started but rather finished..

well there's this bit where Gray gets in the way and stops Hughes going to ground with him, not that there's any expectation for Hughes to do so.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

well there's this bit where Gray gets in the way and stops Hughes going to ground with him, not that there's any expectation for Hughes to do so.

I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong here, I thought he pulled out as soon as contact was made after the first still from memory. (I had had a couple pints during my shift)
@Which Tyler, maybe learn a thing or two from Goodey's argument... Swearing at people usually stops looking cool after you turn 16, people can make mistakes too!