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2017 British & Irish Lions Squad Announcement

I forgot how much I enjoy these forums every 4 years. (well, every 2 years now with the WC's).
I really appreciate the increase in the knowledge of the posters.
Thank you to all those I've not heard of before, and the usual quality posters with completely unblinkered views. You make logging on here worthwhile.
 
I can see something interesting in the team, looks likely to play a big ball carrying dynamic set of forwards for most part, with solid, yet unspectacular backs, mostly focused on distribution to the wingers, and a kick chase game?

Personally, tactics aside, I'd go for this:

1. Jack McGrath
2. Rory Best (His scrummaging is hugely underrated, and he'll work really nicely in tandem with the props either side of him. Plus he's stepped up big time in the big games recently, was excellent IMO v Munster and England)
3. Tadgh Furlong
4. George Kruis (I wish it was Launch though)
5. Maro Itoje (Huge leap on this guy, and he's so mobile and good at the breakdown. His tackling technique is superb, and just think he offers a little less doggedness than AWJ but a lot more ability wise)
6. Peter O'Mahony (Can be the third lineout option, provides balance to the backrow, where I think we'd lose out if Stander was picked, especially with my choice at 8 being Billy)
7. Sam Warburton
8. Billy Vunipola ( Top Player, and will wreak havoc amongst NZ defense)

9. Murray if possible, if not then Webb over Youngs (Not got a load of depth in this area, and Muraay could be key for us)
10. Sexton

12. Henshaw (Might be contentious, but Im not such a big fan of Farrell as many others are, Henshaws defense is much better, Farrell is actually quite a poor tackler, misses a lot by going too high, and also Sexton is more than capable running a back line on his own)
13. Elliot Daly (This wont happen, but I'd love Daly, who's got a good pass, a good rugby brain, a good extra kicking option for the wider channels, and Pace to burn! More likely to see JD2 or Joseph for Gatland though)

11. George North (With this backline, I can see him sparking to life, he'll get much better front foot ball, and better quality passing from these guys than he gets from the 10/12/13 of the Welsh midfield, who couldnt pass along a can of fanta)
14. Liam Williams (Top winger, no real weaknesses and as elusive as they come, I really like this guy. Good under high ball too)
15. Stuart Hogg (The intensity and grit of Mike brown, only with pace, vision and a big boot to clear. We don't need another kicking option from the tee, Sexton will be fine here, and the aim is to score tries, it has to be, so no Halfpenny for me, even in the 23 with Farrell on the bench to replace Sexton where needed)

16. Jamie George (Big impact guy, fantastic in set pieces, and the brain and skills that could have had him starting, for sure. Ken Owens is good, but think George has a little more X Factor)
17. Mako Vunipola (Scrummaging is improved, and a devastating ball carrier and handling skills come the final 30 minutes)
18. Kyle Sinckler (We are light in this department unfortunately, and he's more dynamic in the loose, as well as probably giving away a lot less penalties than Dan Cole. Leading by a small margin with Cole on the field in the last 10 is a recipe for disaster)
19. AWJ ( Against my ulster roots, he'll bring more grunt and experience to the party to be able to raise the team, or to put his body on the line holding the AB's out)
20. Sean O'Brien (Covers whole back row, and has shown just how effective he can be v New Zealand)
21. Webb/ Youngs if Murray is absent
22. Farrell (No Brainer, covering 10/12, also if 13 is injured, can shift Henshaw to 13, and farrell into 12, leaving only back 3 cover needed for 23 shirt)
23. Anthony Watson (Tough call here, but he's got that spark again to provide something from nothing with his running ability, wouldnt say no to Jack Nowell though if more stability is wanted, or even Seymour)

Apart from the centres (where I'd have Farrell), that's a pretty good team.
 
From super rugby so far this weekend, aggregate score is 153-60. The lions defence will have to be perfect to hold the provinces at bay.
 
Nurse, nurse! Jeremy's escaped the ward again and is posting on the internet!

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Not sure what he was smoking when he put Marler and Kruis in his test team...
 
Nurse, nurse! Jeremy's escaped the ward again and is posting on the internet!

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Not sure what he was smoking when he put Marler and Kruis in his test team...

Ben T'eo, not good enough for England who play someone in their second position instead of him, to lions 12. Dearly me. Kruis and Marler couldn't agree more! That Lions team would get mullered
 
You have a bigger issue with Kruis than Te'o?

No, it's just he seemed to be predicting that Gatland would go for that and Guscott has this weird tendency to copy whatever he predicts will happen.

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I forgot how much I enjoy these forums every 4 years. (well, every 2 years now with the WC's).
I really appreciate the increase in the knowledge of the posters.
Thank you to all those I've not heard of before, and the usual quality posters with completely unblinkered views. You make logging on here worthwhile.

Good to see you, hope you stop by more often!
 
I forgot how much I enjoy these forums every 4 years. (well, every 2 years now with the WC's).
I really appreciate the increase in the knowledge of the posters.
Thank you to all those I've not heard of before, and the usual quality posters with completely unblinkered views. You make logging on here worthwhile.

Dude, there's pro 12 like every week here, thats the real pinnacle and you know it to be true!
 
Nurse, nurse! Jeremy's escaped the ward again and is posting on the internet!

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Not sure what he was smoking when he put Marler and Kruis in his test team...

After the squad was announced Gatland claimed that he likes a player with 'a bit of mongrel in them' which might explain why Launch was overlooked as he seems like a quiet easy going lad. Maybe that's why Marler might find himself in with a chance.

I think Guscott's side isn't far away from Gatland's. I still think 1/2P will be favoured over Hogg and can see Te'o or JD2 at 13 with Farrell or Henshaw at 12. I don't think JJ will make Gatland's 15.
 
I get the sense from the interview with Gatland that he sees Te'o as coming off the bench rather than as a starter.
 
I get the sense from the interview with Gatland that he sees Te'o as coming off the bench rather than as a starter.
Yeah and the kid from the sixth sense sees dead people, doesn't mean it isn't bat**** crazy.
 
After the squad was announced Gatland claimed that he likes a player with 'a bit of mongrel in them' which might explain why Launch was overlooked as he seems like a quiet easy going lad. Maybe that's why Marler might find himself in with a chance.

I think Guscott's side isn't far away from Gatland's. I still think 1/2P will be favoured over Hogg and can see Te'o or JD2 at 13 with Farrell or Henshaw at 12. I don't think JJ will make Gatland's 15.

Hasn't Gatland said he sees Farrell as a 10 rather than a 12? I'm pretty sure the midfield won't be an English one, unless this Te'o thing is happening. Otherwise I'm pretty sure we're looking at Henshaw with Jonathan Davies and Farrell on the bench. McGrath is surely ahead of Marler, I believe that Owens might possibly be preferred at hooker, and Itoje will be there instead of Kruis for sure. Lastly, I reckon Vunipola will be a bench player with Faletau the starting 8, dependent of course on him showing good form in the build-up.

This is all to say that I believe Gatland wants the England players to be bench impact rather than starters. Right now I'd predict:

1. McGrath
2. Owens
3. Furlong
4. Wyn-Jones
5. Itoje
6. Stander
7. Warburton
8. Faletau

9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Williams
12. Henshaw
13. Davies
14. North
15. Halfpenny

16. George
17. Vunipola
18. Cole
19. Lawes
20. Vunipola
21. Webb
22. Farrell
23. Te'o???
 
Hasn't Gatland said he sees Farrell as a 10 rather than a 12? I'm pretty sure the midfield won't be an English one, unless this Te'o thing is happening. Otherwise I'm pretty sure we're looking at Henshaw with Jonathan Davies and Farrell on the bench. McGrath is surely ahead of Marler, I believe that Owens might possibly be preferred at hooker, and Itoje will be there instead of Kruis for sure. Lastly, I reckon Vunipola will be a bench player with Faletau the starting 8, dependent of course on him showing good form in the build-up.

This is all to say that I believe Gatland wants the England players to be bench impact rather than starters. Right now I'd predict:

1. McGrath
2. Owens
3. Furlong
4. Wyn-Jones
5. Itoje
6. Stander
7. Warburton
8. Faletau

9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Williams
12. Henshaw
13. Davies
14. North
15. Halfpenny

16. George
17. Vunipola
18. Cole
19. Lawes
20. Vunipola
21. Webb
22. Farrell
23. Te'o???

You are probably not far off the mark. If he starts 8 Welsh players and loses the series 3-0 he will quite rightly be hung out to dry.
 
Backs: Good apart from Biggar (Russell or Ford should be going) wonder how the speculation Joseph wasn't selected start. I'd rather we didn't take Te'o I don't know what he brings.
Forwards: As expected bit surprised we are taking 3 English locks.

Minor gripe: 2 Scottish players but 9 Welsh (rough count that I haven't double checked), I think many Welsh are there on past glories rather than current ones.


At least the backs don't look like a bunch of hulking Warrenball players.

Scotland beat both Ireland and Wales and have 2 players selected over 20 from the other 2 countries.

The worst thing that could have happened in the last 6 months is Ireland winning in Chicago over NZ, Ireland beating England, then Scotland getting slaughtered by England.

The latter might have been expected, but the result in Chicago was simply a once in a blue moon event.

Gatland now had all the scapegoats he needs to pick this type of squad.


Some very overrated Lions in my opinion. Will they be good enough?

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Am I alone thinking Farrell is miles better than any other 10 in the UK? Wasted at Centre, but it affords Ford a start for England, and Farrell is versatile enough. England dominating the 6N the past 2 years, and are by far the form team, yet people expecting more Welsh and Irish lads to get the starting XV nod. I'll be disappointed someone like Farrell not playing for starters.

Confess that, Even though I am British, I watch a lot more Southern Hem rugby, so have been more or less limited to International games to measure any Lions players.
 
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Scotland beat both Ireland and Wales and have 2 players selected over 20 from the other 2 countries.

The worst thing that could have happened in the last 6 months is Ireland winning in Chicago over NZ, Ireland beating England, then Scotland getting slaughtered by England.

The latter might have been expected, but the result in Chicago was simply a once in a blue moon event.

Gatland now had all the scapegoats he needs to pick this type of squad.


Some very overrated Lions in my opinion. Will they be good enough?

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Am I alone thinking Farrell is miles better than any other 10 in the UK? Wasted at Centre, but it affords Ford a start for England, and Farrell is versatile enough. England dominating the 6N the past 2 years, and are by far the form team, yet people expecting more Welsh and Irish lads to get the starting XV nod. I'll be disappointed someone like Farrell not playing for starters.

Confess that, Even though I am British, I watch a lot more Southern Hem rugby, so have been more or less limited to International games to measure any Lions players.

What in the world is this?
 
According to munstermuffin who in the know he's been advised by Munster to rest this summer for the good of his career fitness wise.

Yeah, good luck with that advice. When is the next time the Lions are in NZ. He'll be 47.......
 
Yeah and the kid from the sixth sense sees dead people, doesn't mean it isn't bat**** crazy.

Alright Sarky - he pretty much said he sees Te'o as a bench player to match NZ's bench in the last 20 mins.
 
Why oh why isn't Mark McCall or Paul Gustard on the Lions coaching team?
 
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If Te'o is there to match that NZ bench, he's a long way from SBW who may be the equivalent in the ABs
 
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