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[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: England vs. Ireland (27/02/2016)

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If Murray had not illegally picked the ball up of the floor he would not have been kicked while brown made his perfectly legal challenge for the ball

Joking right? Only reason the ball is still in that ruck is because Haskell is on his knees and had his hands all over it! Care might have been sin-binned for it, but Haskell was the culprit. No matter what side of the fence you're on with what Brown did, that whole passage of play only ends as an Irish penalty (as it did).


Anyway, I don't think anyone's arguing that Brown intentionally kicked Murray in the head. The issue is that he's kicked into a ruck recklessly multiple times, and hit a player in the face, multiple times. I mean, the first face contact is probably forgivable, but he looks quite frustrated and keeps kicking at the ball when Murray's face is right next to it. That's what makes it reckless.
 
Joking right? Only reason the ball is still in that ruck is because Haskell is on his knees and had his hands all over it! Care might have been sin-binned for it, but Haskell was the culprit. No matter what side of the fence you're on with what Brown did, that whole passage of play only ends as an Irish penalty (as it did).


Anyway, I don't think anyone's arguing that Brown intentionally kicked Murray in the head. The issue is that he's kicked into a ruck recklessly multiple times, and hit a player in the face, multiple times. I mean, the first face contact is probably forgivable, but he looks quite frustrated and keeps kicking at the ball / Murray's face. That's what makes it reckless.

So Murray didn't play the ball on the floor then? After brown hacked at the ball Murray didn't then pick up the ball and roll it over his body. That didn't happen?
 
So Murray didn't play the ball on the floor then? After brown hacked at the ball Murray didn't then pick up the ball and roll it over his body. That didn't happen?

Aye he probably did. While holding his face after being hit my Brown.

It's still advantage to Ireland from Haskell's previous cynical infringement.
 
He had both hands on the ball so it must have been a third hand holding the gushing 20" slash across his poor little head. Hope his mum was there with some TCP
 
He had both hands on the ball so it must have been a third hand holding the gushing 20" slash across his poor little head. Hope his mum was there with some TCP

It's easy to sound like a tough guy when you're hiding behind your keyboard. Would love to see you say that to Murray's face. Get a grip man.
 
It's easy to sound like a tough guy when you're hiding behind your keyboard. Would love to see you say that to Murray's face. Get a grip man.

No matter how tough someone on here is why would you fight Murray when he's got three arms! That's some mutant style right there!

On a serious note I'd love to see all kicking in a ruck banned as it slows the game down and doesn't really add anything
 
Just watched that video again and that proves it was an accident. Slow it down and you will see Brown makes the first kick and BEFORE he steps back, the Irish player in the ruck pushes against him causing him to lose his balance and so he brings his foot down further back than he had intended.
 
What his poor lacerated face?

You get a grip there was **** all in it and Murray didn't help matters ****ing about with the ball in an illegal position. All this hand wringing is a joke hence why I'm taking the ****. The way some people are going on you would think brown was a cross between Adolf hitler, Joe Stalin, Martin Johnson and Duncan McRae
 
LOL - safety in numbers - the same old predictable wolf pack response.

Sleep tight lads
 
He had both hands on the ball so it must have been a third hand holding the gushing 20" slash across his poor little head. Hope his mum was there with some TCP

God knows why I'm indulging you but here goes.

Starts with Haskell on his knees slowing the ball down - penalty advantage Ireland.

Brown kicks at the ball, clips Murray on the backswing, Murray pulls the ball towards him - yes could be a penalty had it not already been advantage to Ireland.

Brown's 2nd kick, catches Murray full on in the face - reckless act no.1 - And to those arguing it's down to the supporting Irish players movement, I'd disagree. Contact is made before Brown starts to go backwards from the counter ruck.

Murray lifts hands (with ball) towards face, as y'know, getting kicked in the face hurts a bit.

Brown switches feet, kicks the ball, misses Murray's face this time, still too close for my liking.

Brown kicks again, and once again catches Murray full in face. Reckless. Again. Ball isn't really in Murray's control at this point.

Whether Murray holds on to the ball or not, you just can't keep kicking at him like that, especially when you're that close to his face! He made contact 3 times!

Again back to my point. Ireland are never the ones to get penalized there either way, since Haskell has already cynically tried to kill the ball. Ball would probably have been in Sexton's hands by that point had he not done it! Even if you take the advantage to Ireland out of the equation, there's a very big shout for a penalty reversal and a card for Brown's actions.
 
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Can we just leave now until Brown gets cited or not....or even better if he does get cited which is probable until after the hearing?

I'm tired of hearing the same arguments.
 
I sure heard a bunch about you. See, I was a good friend of your dad's. We were in that Hanoi pit of hell together over five years. Hopefully...you'll never have to experience this yourself, but when two men are in a situation like me and your Dad were, for as long as we were, you take on certain responsibilities of the other. If it had been me who had not made it, Major Coolidge would be talkin' right now to my son Jim. But the way it turned out is I'm talkin' to you, Butch. I got somethin' for you.

This watch I got here was first purchased by your great-grandfather during the first World War. It was bought in a little general store in Knoxville, Tennessee. Made by the first company to ever make wrist watches. Up till then people just carried pocket watches. It was bought by private Doughboy Erine Coolidge on the day he set sail for Paris. It was your great-grandfather's war watch and he wore it everyday he was in that war. When he had done his duty, he went home to your great-grandmother, took the watch off, put it an old coffee can, and in that can it stayed 'til your granddad Dane Coolidge was called upon by his country to go overseas and fight the Germans once again. This time they called it World War II. Your great-grandfather gave this watch to your granddad for good luck. Unfortunately, Dane's luck wasn't as good as his old man's. Dane was a Marine and he was killed -- along with the other Marines at the battle of Wake Island. Your granddad was facing death, he knew it. None of those boys had any illusions about ever leavin' that island alive. So three days before the Japanese took the island, your granddad asked a gunner on an Air Force transport name of Winocki, a man he had never met before in his life, to deliver to his infant son, who he'd never seen in the flesh, his gold watch. Three days later, your granddad was dead. But Winocki kept his word. After the war was over, he paid a visit to your grandmother, delivering to your infant father, his Dad's gold watch. This watch. (holds it up, long pause) This watch was on your Daddy's wrist when he was shot down over Hanoi. He was captured, put in a Vietnamese prison camp. He knew if the gooks ever saw the watch it'd be confiscated, taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, that watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slopes were gonna put their greasy yella hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something. His ass. Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you
 
This Brown debate is annoying me. Ireland would have lost anyway.

The Irish media sound so doom and gloom but I think this was the turning point from our slump. Henshaw finally got his chance and took it

Sexton, McCloskey, Henshaw, Ringrose, Gilroy - enough pace and power to take us forward.
 
I sure heard a bunch about you. See, I was a good friend of your dad's. We were in that Hanoi pit of hell together over five years. Hopefully...you'll never have to experience this yourself, but when two men are in a situation like me and your Dad were, for as long as we were, you take on certain responsibilities of the other. If it had been me who had not made it, Major Coolidge would be talkin' right now to my son Jim. But the way it turned out is I'm talkin' to you, Butch. I got somethin' for you.

This watch I got here was first purchased by your great-grandfather during the first World War. It was bought in a little general store in Knoxville, Tennessee. Made by the first company to ever make wrist watches. Up till then people just carried pocket watches. It was bought by private Doughboy Erine Coolidge on the day he set sail for Paris. It was your great-grandfather's war watch and he wore it everyday he was in that war. When he had done his duty, he went home to your great-grandmother, took the watch off, put it an old coffee can, and in that can it stayed 'til your granddad Dane Coolidge was called upon by his country to go overseas and fight the Germans once again. This time they called it World War II. Your great-grandfather gave this watch to your granddad for good luck. Unfortunately, Dane's luck wasn't as good as his old man's. Dane was a Marine and he was killed -- along with the other Marines at the battle of Wake Island. Your granddad was facing death, he knew it. None of those boys had any illusions about ever leavin' that island alive. So three days before the Japanese took the island, your granddad asked a gunner on an Air Force transport name of Winocki, a man he had never met before in his life, to deliver to his infant son, who he'd never seen in the flesh, his gold watch. Three days later, your granddad was dead. But Winocki kept his word. After the war was over, he paid a visit to your grandmother, delivering to your infant father, his Dad's gold watch. This watch. (holds it up, long pause) This watch was on your Daddy's wrist when he was shot down over Hanoi. He was captured, put in a Vietnamese prison camp. He knew if the gooks ever saw the watch it'd be confiscated, taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, that watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slopes were gonna put their greasy yella hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something. His ass. Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you
Did you just Pulp Fiction me mate? Well I have only one thing to say.[h=1]The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.[/h]
 
This Brown debate is annoying me. Ireland would have lost anyway.

The Irish media sound so doom and gloom but I think this was the turning point from our slump. Henshaw finally got his chance and took it

Sexton, McCloskey, Henshaw, Ringrose, Gilroy - enough pace and power to take us forward.

Thank goodness . Someone speaking sense. From this ire will develop strength in depth no doubt. Bigger picture it's exciting times for Ireland. This will shape your team for the next 5+ years
 
Did you just Pulp Fiction me mate? Well I have only one thing to say.[h=1]The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.[/h]

Now… I been sayin’ that **** for years. And if you ever heard it, that meant your ass. You’d be dead right now. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was a cold-blooded thing to say to a mother****er before I popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some **** this mornin’ made me think twice. See, now I’m thinking: maybe it means you’re the evil man. And I’m the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here… he’s the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you’re the righteous man and I’m the shepherd and it’s the world that’s evil and selfish. And I’d like that. But that **** ain’t the truth. The truth is you’re the weak. And I’m the tyranny of evil men. But I’m tryin’, Ringo. I’m tryin’ real hard to be the shepherd.

*Drops the mic.*
 
Now… I been sayin' that **** for years. And if you ever heard it, that meant your ass. You'd be dead right now. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was a cold-blooded thing to say to a mother****er before I popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some **** this mornin' made me think twice. See, now I'm thinking: maybe it means you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here… he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. And I'd like that. But that **** ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.

*Drops the mic.*
Zed is dead baby, Zed is dead....
 
First space Jam, now Pulp fiction. Maybe it should be a new thing, every game thread must also have discussion of a classic movie.
 
First space Jam, now Pulp fiction. Maybe it should be a new thing, every game thread must also have discussion of a classic movie.

God only knows no one seems to have any interest discussing rugby.

That said, in the hope someone actually wants to, I'm going to suggest the off-topic stuff goes elsewhere, and people only post in here to talk about rugby...
 
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