[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: England vs. Ireland (27/02/2016)

[Thingimubob]

Not the first time I've disagreed with the citing commissioner, doubt it'll be the last.

Schmidt has a point that the rules need to be looked at in regards to player safety, especially if that's counted as ok within the rules.

Be interesting to see what the reaction will be if an English player cops something similar against Wales or France...

 

[ncurd]

The problem is if your allowed to kick the ball in the ruck what can you do? If your using your feat it's probable you might end up kicking someone. Especially if the ball doesn't come loose as your foot will rebound backwards more.

I honestly don't what you can do.

 

[johnmac99]

Not the first time I've disagreed with the citing commissioner, doubt it'll be the last.

Schmidt has a point that the rules need to be looked at in regards to player safety, especially if that's counted as ok within the rules.

Be interesting to see what the reaction will be if an English player cops something similar against Wales or France...

There will probably be people who react as you did this time, but if you know the rules and are prepared to be fair then it will be accepted whoever it is.

Nobody wants to see people kicked in the head, but if it's unintentional and not as a consequence of foul play, then you play on.

 

[Peat]

No citation, kicking people in the head is ok in rugby now... As long as you don't really mean to do it! Makes me feel that bit more wary walking onto a pitch.

This isn't news. POC, Tom Wood and Nathan Hughes have all avoided bans for similar actions in recent enough times. Only one was red carded at the time. It's zero surprise nothing happened to Brown either.

I think I've already said this but this is a disgrace. If they're serious about avoiding concussion, you can't have people kicking people in the head.

Reckless contact with the eyes is illegal. Reckless challenges in the air are illegal. Reckless tackles that lift people over the horizontal are illegal. Reckless use of the boot in a ruck or open play? Fine. It makes no sense, both in terms of the framework of how the game is already legislated, and in terms of player safety.

 

[McTallshort]

Not the first time I've disagreed with the citing commissioner, doubt it'll be the last.

Schmidt has a point that the rules need to be looked at in regards to player safety, especially if that's counted as ok within the rules.

Be interesting to see what the reaction will be if an English player cops something similar against Wales or France...

Same reaction as this probably, lots of people screaming false anguish, crying about traumatized kids, making claims like "if that had happened in the street the bloke would be facing a firing squad, lots of people not normally on here creating accounts just to make their false anger known etc etc

 

[johnmac99]

Can anyone who actually went to Twickenham answer a question for me?

Did the Millennium Trophy get awarded to England after the game? It looks like a Viking Helmet.

 

[Saint4805]

This isn't news. POC, Tom Wood and Nathan Hughes have all avoided bans for similar actions in recent enough times. Only one was red carded at the time. It's zero surprise nothing happened to Brown either.

I think I've already said this but this is a disgrace. If they're serious about avoiding concussion, you can't have people kicking people in the head.

Reckless contact with the eyes is illegal. Reckless challenges in the air are illegal. Reckless tackles that lift people over the horizontal are illegal. Reckless use of the boot in a ruck or open play? Fine. It makes no sense, both in terms of the framework of how the game is already legislated, and in terms of player safety.

Agree 100%. This is a classic case of the letter of the law being applied 100% and overriding any risk based thinking and common sense in the context of player safety.

This sets a dangerous precedent in that players can blindly swing their boot around in a ruck without any thought for who might be on the receiving end. Maybe it's going to take a stud in the eye causing serious damage before something gets done. This is my last word on the matter.

 

[McTallshort]

Agree 100%. This is a classic case of the letter of the law being applied 100% and overriding any risk based thinking and common sense in the context of player safety.

This sets a dangerous precedent in that players can blindly swing their boot around in a ruck without any thought for who might be on the receiving end. Maybe it's going to take a stud in the eye causing serious damage before something gets done.

Oh ffs shut up

 

[ncurd]

How is reckless or wild when you make contact with what you intended in a perfectly legal action?

Look I get the player safety angle on this totally but struggle to think what Mike Brown should of done differently? Short of banning feet in rucks.

 

[Peat]

How is reckless or wild when you make contact with what you intended in a perfectly legal action?

Look I get the player safety angle on this totally but struggle to think what Mike Brown should of done differently? Short of banning feet in rucks.

Don't kick Murray in the head. That's what he should have done differently. I'll leave it to the man on the spot to work out the details, but don't kick people in the head.

Feet in the ruck usually don't lead to people getting kicked in the head, just like tackles don't usually lead to spear tackles, so I'm happy to let people continue to use them. But if you're not paying attention to what you're doing and kick someone in the head, you should be banned.

Sam Warburton never meant to put Clerc down on his neck, Jared Payne never meant Alex Goode to land on his head, Chris Ashton probably never meant to stick his fingers in Luke Marshall's eyes; they still got banned because what they did is really dangerous. How is kicking someone in the head less so?

 

[AzaMatt]

How is reckless or wild when you make contact with what you intended in a perfectly legal action?

Look I get the player safety angle on this totally but struggle to think what Mike Brown should of done differently? Short of banning feet in rucks.

i still dont see the need to swing his feet around like that, i get what your saying but you cant say it wasnt reckless, regardless of whether he intended any harm, you cant swing your fists around so you shouldnt be able to kick the ball at the ruck although by the letter of the law as you all have pointed out, he did nothing wrong. perhaps this highlights that kicking the ball at a ruck is something that needs to be looked that.

 

[Saint4805]

Oh ffs shut up

When I joined this forum I saw quite a few senior members with thousands of posts and thought to myself these guys most probably know their rugby and hopefully conduct themselves with real decorum. Then I read some of your posts.

You seem to struggle to accept that other people just may have a different opinion to yours and then you get all hot headed and personal when you read something that doesn't fit with your opinion. I would encourage you to take a few deep breaths and try to be more measured with your posts when you see something you don't agree with.

 

[McTallshort]

I on the other hand am used to sanctimonious one tournament wonders such as yourself who come on here banging on with false morality just because some English player did some wrong.

 

[Saint4805]

I on the other hand am used to sanctimonious one tournament wonders such as yourself who come on here banging on with false morality just because some English player did some wrong.

There you are getting all personal again.

I think they will edge out Wales. The WC was a perfect storm of a tough group, poor leadership & tactics and underperforming players. The talent and capability is clearly there.

Does my earlier post on this very thread sound anti-English to you?

 

[McTallshort]

Why are you posting on this tread?

It was a game not involving Scotland or any Scottish interest, you have not once made any comment on the actual game or how either side played. You have come on this tread with the sole purpose of having a go at mike brown. So save your sanctimonious whining for someone who gives a toss because I don't. Try writing in the daily mail as they like overreaction and hand wringing

 

[TommiG88]

Right, all this shouting about brown.

Sexton tackled Watson in the air and nothing was said. He was still half foot of the ground, before he got taken to the ground. Reckless as well, just nothing said.

Ireland won a penalty from it too.

 

[back2back]

Not to derail the thread further than what it already has been, but stop being a bully Tallshort and proving Saints point.

Brown shouldn't have kicked him in the head, simple as that.

 

[Saint4805]

Why are you posting on this tread?

It was a game not involving Scotland or any Scottish interest, you have not once made any comment on the actual game or how either side played. You have come on this tread with the sole purpose of having a go at mike brown. So save your sanctimonious whining for someone who gives a toss because I don't. Try writing in the daily mail as they like overreaction and hand wringing

Yet another post full of holes from someone who can't keep his (or her) cool.

I'd recommend you make go yourself useful and trawl through all the match threads and report anyone who offered an opinion on a match that didn't involve their team and see what happens.

 

[martinspoonboy1]

So the ref saw it, didn't punish, the Tom saw it didn't recommend punishment and the citing commissioner isn't punishing. Hopefully that can put it to bed . It clearly wasn't a punishable offence. Done.

Was there ever any doubt?

 

[valley commando]

Not the first time I've disagreed with the citing commissioner, doubt it'll be the last.

Schmidt has a point that the rules need to be looked at in regards to player safety, especially if that's counted as ok within the rules.

Be interesting to see what the reaction will be if an English player cops something similar against Wales or France...

If that happens the press would be all over it graphic pictures included, did you check the press today, hardly a mention they are so one eyed with their English bias, the same press that come Olympics will report on English athlete wins gold, if the athlete was from Wales, NI, or Scotland they would report British athlete.
Thank God for the Western Mail for a bit of balance.
So the citing officer bottled it, should have given him 6 weeks in my opinion and were it a French or Celt they would have received a ban. However for me I'm glad Brown is playing, he will get wound up and sooner or later will get carded (red with any justice). Alternately he will get the slapping his churlish attitude demands, there's nothing worse than an irritating back trying to act like a macho forward.