[2015 RWC] Final: New Zealand vs. Australia (31/10/2015)

[Dirty Ape]

Lies, damned lies, and stats, right? Depends how you interpret those results. In matches not played in Sydney or Brisbane the average is +19 to the ABs

 

[ENZED-88]

Where's sanzar and all the aussie boys? A bit of light banter wouldn't be too bad. 1 week to go then we gotta wait another 4 years. All you other NZers FFS take a page outta nightmarehitters book and blindly get behind your team. Of all weeks to be umming and ahhing this is not it. NZ by 10000

 

[nightmarehitter]

Lies, damned lies, and stats, right? Depends how you interpret those results. In matches not played in Sydney or Brisbane the average is +19 to the ABs

BINGO! winner winner chicken dinner!!

 

[Shaggy]

Absolutely it's Australia. I didn't know what they were talking about either. No disrespect to RSA, but to me matches against Australia are far more intense due to the rivalry.

That depends on what era you come from ... South Africa were always the traditional rival pre the banning due to apartheid, the rivalry existed form the 1920's, the boks were dominant, with NZ only winning it's first series (at home) in 1956, and it's first series in the Republic in 1996 ... Australia only started to show and sort of competitiveness in the late Seventies, and have had patches of dominance in the Bledisloe since then.

 

[ABs2011]

Lies, damned lies, and stats, right? Depends how you interpret those results. In matches not played in Sydney or Brisbane the average is +19 to the ABs

Yes but how many of those games not played in Sydney are not played in NZ?

So in the context of a RWC in England, on what basis would you exclude Sydney and Brisbane matches but not exclude matches in NZ from the analysis? Sorry mate, but you are gonna need to do better than that if you want to try and tell a different story

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BINGO! winner winner chicken dinner!!

Seriously?? Come on dude, that is the most patheitc attempt to skew stats I have ever seen!! Surely you can do better than that!!

Which begs the question, if that was really the story you were trying to tell?? then why include those games to begin with?? Likely answer is you are you are trying (unsuccessfully) to dig yourself out of a hole!!

 

[Dirty Ape]

Dude, I started that off with "Lies, damned lies, and stats, right?" and ended it with a winky. Pretty obvious I was doing the tongue in cheek thing.

 

[Larksea]

well it does show that Aussie dont beat NZ very often even at home... and NZ do put good scores on Aussie on a fairly regular basis. Aussie only have a 25% winning record in their Sydney fortress and cop regular hidings at NZ's fortress Eden Park.

but WC finals are an entirely different beast. Tactics change, underdogs find extra legs and referees get conservative. Home ground advantages are void. That makes for close games. Its more about controlling the scoreboard and field position that putting up big scores. WC finals have never been blowouts, they have never been about scoring tries.

But then again a WC final has never been contested between NZ and AUS who are probably considered the two best attack oriented teams in the world. I kinda expect that we will see more trys in this game than what would be considered normal for a WC final.

 

[nightmarehitter]

Yes but how many of those games not played in Sydney are not played in NZ?

So in the context of a RWC in England, on what basis would you exclude Sydney and Brisbane matches but not exclude matches in NZ from the analysis? Sorry mate, but you are gonna need to do better than that if you want to try and tell a different story

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Seriously?? Come on dude, that is the most patheitc attempt to skew stats I have ever seen!! Surely you can do better than that!!

Mate history shows us that Australia has been a traditionally weak foe who only in a golden year here and there has risen up to beat an All Blacks team. I think more than anything you All Blacks fans are wanting to envision a powerful Australia side capable of beating us for the glory of the final. There is one team that could beat us and that was SA. Australia will need us to play really off form to take out this final. We are going to smash them and you know that!

 

[ncurd]

1987 - 4 tries, 20 Point margin
1991 - 1 try, 6 point margin
1995 - 0 tries, 3 point margin
1999 - 2 tries, 23 Pont margin
2003 - 2 tries, 3 point margin
2007 - 0 tries, 9 point margin
2011 - 2 tries, 1 point margin

Don't think this is going blow out or a try fest. Before the weather even gets involved.

 

[Zapphod]

I'm sorry, but Australia haven't faced decent attacking opposition yet and last time we put 40 points on them. Argentina made plenty of breaks but don't have support play even close to the AB's and their passing was shocking.

Scotland put 34 points on them. All I read these days is pessimism about the All Blacks, getting pretty tired of it aye.

Mate remember the old proverb... Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt...

Like most Kiwi's I secretly hope the All Blacks roll out to the game as score a world record win just as I expect that the Australians are doing the same but the reality is somewhat different and rather than it being a guranteed win to either side it will be a close match that can go either way so why make a complete tw*t out of yourself by shooting your mouth off now when neither you nor I can honestly pick a winner.

So by all means pick the AB's to win by 10,20 30, or 100 points if you like, after all your guess is as good as anyone elses but how about doing it in such a way that when/if it goes pear shaped on the weekend you can still show your face in public without a dunce cap on.

1987 - 4 tries, 20 Point margin
1991 - 1 try, 6 point margin
1995 - 0 tries, 3 point margin
1999 - 2 tries, 23 Pont margin
2003 - 2 tries, 3 point margin
2007 - 0 tries, 9 point margin
2011 - 2 tries, 1 point margin

Don't think this is going blow out or a try fest. Before the weather even gets involved.

Yeah I am not sure how this one will go in terms of points but I hope it isnt another one like the last and that some points are actually put on by both teams so if nothing else it is a spectacle of how rugby should be played especially since both teams have the capacity to provide this.

I am hoping for a match like the 2013 Rugby Championship decider against South Africa, I dont expect to see it though.

 

[smartcooky]

People can quote all the stats and figures and historical results they they like... but here is a stat for you...the number of times that the All Blacks and Wallabies have played each other RWC final = ZERO. When it comes to finals, you throw the stats and the history into the trash. This final is going to be very, very close. maybe 1 or 2 points in it.

My heart says AB's will win
My fear says Wallabies will win
My head has no effing idea who is going to win

 

[Dirty Ape]

An open and loose game will only play into Australia's hands so the ABs have no incentive to play like that - it will be fundamentals that gets the job done. Strong set pieces, big aggressive defence, an intelligent and well executed kicking game, accuracy and intensity at the breakdown, territory and possession. A game like that increases the chances of an All Blacks win so that is how we will play.

 

[ABs2011]

Mate history shows us that Australia has been a traditionally weak foe who only in a golden year here and there has risen up to beat an All Blacks team. I think more than anything you All Blacks fans are wanting to envision a powerful Australia side capable of beating us for the glory of the final. There is one team that could beat us and that was SA. Australia will need us to play really off form to take out this final. We are going to smash them and you know that!

Hey if you had said that initially I wouldnt have had any problem.

However your initial post said:

"Maybe given that Ireland is a Minnow in rugby you maybe viewing things differently but here is a quick modern rugby history lesson for you lad - take note of the majority of the margins please. Regards."

in repsonse to a post from an Irish chap that challenged the likelihood of a 14+ ABs win.

Your post very much appeared you were trying to school this guy on big AB victories vs OZ with a rather patronising tone. I replied both because I thought your tone was unecessary but more importantly because your post made no sense in terms of the historical results because the majority of margins is actually well less than 14!

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Dude, I started that off with "Lies, damned lies, and stats, right?" and ended it with a winky. Pretty obvious I was doing the tongue in cheek thing.

Haha, OK mate, gotcha now

 

[RoosTah]

Where's sanzar and all the aussie boys? A bit of light banter wouldn't be too bad. 1 week to go then we gotta wait another 4 years. All you other NZers FFS take a page outta nightmarehitters book and blindly get behind your team. Of all weeks to be umming and ahhing this is not it. NZ by 10000

I decided to give it a rest for a little bit after the pointless crap I ended up debating yesterday lol.

Was thinking more about this game though today, and if I were to put my finger on the difference between the two sides and I reckon Dan Carter's calm and clinical drop goal against the Springboks versus the jagged and short attempt by Foley.

To put it simply, on the finer points of the game, the ABs do have noticeably more finely tuned skills and execution and in a big game like this that's pretty important.

The Wallabies making the WC Final is frankly a pretty astonishing feat when you think of where we were a year ago, but I find it hard to imagine us edging the ABs unless we play our best game of the tournament by some margin and the ABs don't play theirs.

 

[igy]

I think technically this will be the best wc final to date.

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I decided to give it a rest for a little bit after the pointless crap I ended up debating yesterday lol.

Was thinking more about this game though today, and if I were to put my finger on the difference between the two sides and I reckon Dan Carter's calm and clinical drop goal against the Springboks versus the jagged and short attempt by Foley.

To put it simply, on the finer points of the game, the ABs do have noticeably more finely tuned skills and execution and in a big game like this that's pretty important.

The Wallabies making the WC Final is frankly a pretty astonishing feat when you think of where we were a year ago, but I find it hard to imagine us edging the ABs unless we play our best game of the tournament by some margin and the ABs don't play theirs.

I honestly think Australia is up there with the All Blacks in terms of skills. Your backline is just as amazing as the All Blacks, Foley even on bad days can decide a game, Matt is a legend so as Adam and Folau is a beast and your backroll is just the best in the world.

Imo Australia should insist the air ball against Skudder...he had a very hard time against Habana and Folau can be an even bigger problem to him.

 

[wooli]

No. Date Venue Score Winner Competition
155 31 October 2015 Twickenham Stadium, London, England – 2015 Rugby World Cup Final
154 15 August 2015 Eden Park, Auckland 41 – 13 New Zealand 2015 pre-RWC test
153 8 August 2015 ANZ Stadium, Sydney 27 – 19 Australia 2015 Rugby Championship

Cheika took over on 22 October 2014, so these are the only games you should be considering

One each!
And the one at Eden Park, Cheika only started the B-team (obviously already planning to Bring Back Bill to the correct place) Stuff the Bledisloe, we'll win that back next year!

Twickenham is also our home away from home ... 4 from 4 compared to Darkness 1 from 1... therefore home game advantage

I hope you do concentrate on Pocock, because Hoops and Izzy are ready for blinders

Plus the hidden factor. Douglas.
Go Yamba and the Buccaneers!!!

 

[ABs2011]

No. Date Venue Score Winner Competition
155 31 October 2015 Twickenham Stadium, London, England – 2015 Rugby World Cup Final
154 15 August 2015 Eden Park, Auckland 41 – 13 New Zealand 2015 pre-RWC test
153 8 August 2015 ANZ Stadium, Sydney 27 – 19 Australia 2015 Rugby Championship

Cheika took over on 22 October 2014, so these are the only games you should be considering

One each!
And the one at Eden Park, Cheika only started the B-team (obviously already planning to Bring Back Bill to the correct place) Stuff the Bledisloe, we'll win that back next year!

Twickenham is also our home away from home ... 4 from 4 compared to Darkness 1 from 1... therefore home game advantage

I hope you do concentrate on Pocock, because Hoops and Izzy are ready for blinders

Plus the hidden factor. Douglas.
Go Yamba and the Buccaneers!!!

I honestly dont think Hooper is that good! and one could argue that Izzy is just not ready full stop! He is looking woefuly out of sorts so presumably that injury is really holding him back.

Any news on the OZ injuries by the way? Last I heard Giteau and Izzy will play, Izzy sounds like he wont be close to 100% though, and Sio is done. Anyone else have any new updates?

 

[KeyboardWorrier]

If Sio is out then it's game over.

 

[Zapphod]

Imo Australia should insist the air ball against Skudder...he had a very hard time against Habana and Folau can be an even bigger problem to him.

Fire away but I would mention that Milner Skudder has two tries against Australia to his name already so kicking the ball to him may not be the smartest move.

If Sio is out then it's game over.

Cool, who won?

 

[KeyboardWorrier]

Fire away but I would mention that Milner Skudder has two tries against Australia to his name already so kicking the ball to him may not be the smartest move.



Cool, who won?

All Blacks by around 30.