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[2014 TRC] New Zealand v South Africa in Wellington (13/09/2014)

do NH International players, play more games a year then the SH International players?

In saying that, it will take a SH player longer to overtake/equal a NH player's # of games...

anyways, its a bit unfair to compare these stats as they will always be overtakes as the number of games each year increased...

poor Sean Fits Patrick only played a number of games a year and that has now probably tripled since

not that this answers what you're asking directly, but as of recently no, SH teams play more. In 2013, France played 11 games with 6N, mid-year, Nov. (5+3+3) while NZ played 13. And won them all, btw...
NH players do play tons more due to clubs though, but test wise, SH have more.
 
Everyone seems to be writing South Africa off. That worries me. A lot. I don't think South Africa has played that well in the Rugby Championship thus far, but they doesn't mean they aren't capable of playing well. They made a huge number of errors against Australia (many of which in my opinion were uncharacteristic), but still got very close to winning. The AB's haven't really been that convincing at home against South Africa the last couple of years IMO. In 2012 in Dunedin we got absolutely hammered up front and only really won because Morne Steyn had an absolute shocker with the boot, while 2013 the game was intriguing before an incompetent official sent du Plessis off for a "high shot". I do think the AB's are the better side and deserve to start at clear favourites, but I don't think everyone should be so quick to write-off South Africa.

I'm a bit undecided about whether selecting Pollard is a good or bad thing for South Africa. I do think he will be step up from Steyn on the field. He at least looks happy to take on the line on occasion, and he doesn't seemed scared to tackle (unlike Steyn..). I'm thinking more in terms of Pollard's development as a rugby player. In my (perhaps not fully informed) opinion I'm not convinced he is quite ready for test rugby. There is no doubt he is very talented, but he is a 20 year old kid with only an handful of Super Rugby starts behind him. He is also starting against the best side in the world in a the toughest position (in terms of pressure) that their is. Obviously this a great chance to "test" him - if he comes through with flying colours you know he can probably deal with anything - but their is also the risk that you could severely knock his confidence, which could somewhat stunt his development. Time will tell I suppose....
 
^ I agree Darwin. I will never underestimate the Springboks. They will always be the benchmark to measure ourselves against and I'm pretty sure it'd be the same for them. They're a proud rugby nation and I'm sure they are going to come at us hard from the start. In saying that I still think we will get up tomorrow. We have to much class and firepower out wide to contain for an entire 80 or 83 minutes. Wouldn't surprise me if we lose the return leg though. And in all honesty a loss might not be such a terrible thing in the grand scheme of things. If the RC is wrapped up by the time we hit SA it could be a good option to blood some younger players - a packed house in Jo'Berg against the Boks would be a great chance to test the metal of some of the 2nd stringers.
 
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I think the key thing in the RC is not to underestimate any team, if you don't bring your best every week you run the risk of getting beaten.

As for Pollard, I read an article today by Hansen saying that when he was coaching Wales that DC played against them when he was just starting out and scored 20 odd points and carved them up, yes there is a difference between 2003 wales and 2014 SA. Show you that fresh raw talent can swing things. Either way he should be better than Steyn.
 
I don't think I'm underestimating South Africa when I say we will probably put 20 on them. Watching them in the RC I just can't see the tactics they have used troubling us at all. They are our one true rival and I know the players will be respecting what they bring. If they play well and things go their then South Africa can definitely beat us but that's the same for any team. I don't think thinking we will easy is underestimating the 'Boks. It is more of a realistic appraisal of their form this year.
 
Everyone seems to be writing South Africa off. That worries me. A lot. I don't think South Africa has played that well in the Rugby Championship thus far, but they doesn't mean they aren't capable of playing well. They made a huge number of errors against Australia (many of which in my opinion were uncharacteristic), but still got very close to winning. The AB's haven't really been that convincing at home against South Africa the last couple of years IMO. In 2012 in Dunedin we got absolutely hammered up front and only really won because Morne Steyn had an absolute shocker with the boot, while 2013 the game was intriguing before an incompetent official sent du Plessis off for a "high shot". I do think the AB's are the better side and deserve to start at clear favourites, but I don't think everyone should be so quick to write-off South Africa.

I'm a bit undecided about whether selecting Pollard is a good or bad thing for South Africa. I do think he will be step up from Steyn on the field. He at least looks happy to take on the line on occasion, and he doesn't seemed scared to tackle (unlike Steyn..). I'm thinking more in terms of Pollard's development as a rugby player. In my (perhaps not fully informed) opinion I'm not convinced he is quite ready for test rugby. There is no doubt he is very talented, but he is a 20 year old kid with only an handful of Super Rugby starts behind him. He is also starting against the best side in the world in a the toughest position (in terms of pressure) that their is. Obviously this a great chance to "test" him - if he comes through with flying colours you know he can probably deal with anything - but their is also the risk that you could severely knock his confidence, which could somewhat stunt his development. Time will tell I suppose....


Well my fellow Saffas might be writing us off, but I still have faith. If anything is to go by according to what HM has been saying this week in the papers, is that the selection of Pollard it is to be more attacking than against Australia. I hope that we try to emulate the sort of gameplan we played against NZ last year in Joburg. But with a few tweaks here and there. And who knows, maybe this series of bad play was just a ploy and that we come out firing...
 


Jean de Villiers all of the best for the today.
 
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Everyone seems to be writing South Africa off. That worries me. A lot. I don't think South Africa has played that well in the Rugby Championship thus far, but they doesn't mean they aren't capable of playing well. They made a huge number of errors against Australia (many of which in my opinion were uncharacteristic), but still got very close to winning. The AB's haven't really been that convincing at home against South Africa the last couple of years IMO. In 2012 in Dunedin we got absolutely hammered up front and only really won because Morne Steyn had an absolute shocker with the boot, while 2013 the game was intriguing before an incompetent official sent du Plessis off for a "high shot". I do think the AB's are the better side and deserve to start at clear favourites, but I don't think everyone should be so quick to write-off South Africa.
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I agree entirely I think this game is far from decided.
Every time we start getting cocky it comes unstuck and this test has all the makings of one of those games.
 
I don't think I'm underestimating South Africa when I say we will probably put 20 on them. Watching them in the RC I just can't see the tactics they have used troubling us at all. They are our one true rival and I know the players will be respecting what they bring. If they play well and things go their then South Africa can definitely beat us but that's the same for any team. I don't think thinking we will easy is underestimating the 'Boks. It is more of a realistic appraisal of their form this year.

Perhaps it was bit inaccurate of me to suggest the everyone is writing the Boks off. It just seems that many people (particularly in the NZ media) don't seem to think that he Boks have any chance of winning, which I don't agree with. If the Boks play like they have thus far in the Rugby Championship it is probably fair to suggest they have little or no chance, but I feel the Boks are capable of showing so much more. In many ways I agree that the AB's should win pretty comfortably (I'm picking by 10-15 points), but I wouldn't be shocked if it was a lot closer (and/or the Boks won).

There seems to a perception that the Boks can't win with their current game-plan, which I don't necessarily agree with. I'm not suggesting that they have a great game-plan or anything, I just don't think we can know how successful their game-plan is until they execute it correctly. I only saw parts of the Argentina matches, but the execution of the game-plan against Australia was poor (I initially forgot the 'r' in poor, which would also sum up the execution of their game-plan). Looking through their side I feel South Africa have the potential to be so much better than we have seen thus far. They do have some obvious weaknesses in my opinion, but they have some serious strengths too (if they work out how to take advantage of these strengths!).

The key things I'm hoping for from the AB's this match:

- Another solid performance from Crockett, and another 20 minute cameo from Moody
- Luatua to play a tighter game than usual, allowing Read to roam in the wider channels
- Cruden to take on the line, with runners coming off his shoulder. This will draw de Villiers in a bit closer on defense, decrease the risk of an intercept, and open some more space out wide.
- Ben Smith to get a bit more involved in the match, either from coming in at first receiver or running off the outside shoulder of Cruden/Nonu in the midfield.

In many ways I feel the AB's need to continue doing what the have been doing the last few matches. They need to focus on physically matching the Boks up front, and look for space in behind the Boks defensive line. They may be tempted to go wide, but their is always the risk of the intercept.

Hopefully the weather is ok. Can't wait for the match to start!
 
Keen for this. Pollard is going to have to play a blinder, its a very big test for him.

For NZ, I still don't get while Ben Smith is being stuck out on the wing. He gets much more involved at 15 and is just better than Dagg anyway. I don't think Dagg is as back in form as some people have suggested. Will be interesting to see when and where Jane comes on a well, straight swap for a winger or for Dagg and move Smith back.

NZ by 8-10 I think.
 
Expect the Boks to come out with all guns blazing and Smash into the AB;'s as hard and as often as possible.
The Aussies have done us no favours here, this crew of Boks know that if they lose today then the RC is the AB's to lose, the 2 point buffer will potentially see an end to deciding the winner, short of a massive banana skin in Argentina.
 
The boks genuinely think they are winning this.God defend New Zealand !
 
Hendricks did not look comfortable under that high ball. Expect to see a few more in his direction....
 
All Blacks dominating so far, but we need to start turning pressure into points..
 

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