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2014 QBE Internationals [EOYT] England

He doesn't have issues. Never said he did. But when we played with a creative 10 that's what happened, we conceded 30 points.

He bloody well does. He can't lead a defence. England's 12 is meant to lead the defence. If he can't, it means you pick a 13 who can.

Wendigo - You make a good point about whether Farrell will give Eastmond the service he wants but I guess try it and see. Farrell has got better about taking it up to the line so that's something at least.
 
How about a backline of:

9) Wigglesworth
10) Myler
11) Who cares (maybe May or Nowell)
12) Farrell
13) Barritt
14) Brown
15) Goode

That team is hnnngggg
Das it mane, still can't believe Lancaster is even considering Farrell at 12.
 
He bloody well does. He can't lead a defence. England's 12 is meant to lead the defence. If he can't, it means you pick a 13 who can.

Wendigo - You make a good point about whether Farrell will give Eastmond the service he wants but I guess try it and see. Farrell has got better about taking it up to the line so that's something at least.
Just because he can't lead a defence doesn't mean he has an issue. Jan Serfontein is a bloody good defender but doesn't lead the defence.
 
Just because he can't lead a defence doesn't mean he has an issue. Jan Serfontein is a bloody good defender but doesn't lead the defence.

For me, if you can't fill the expected defensive duties of a position, you have an issue. Eastmond plays 12, England expects to lead the defence, he can't, there is an issue. Happily it's very easily patchable, although it creates an issue when Manu returns.
 
Just watched a lot of the first test in NZ back.

- Kyle was awesome
- Ben Youngs' passing is dog****.
 
I was looking back at this, I know it was a month ago, but I think some things have changed...

Loosehead - I know they say Corbs is fit for good, but that's a believe it when I see it. Him and Marler is a good to very good pair of props to have - potentially the best combo in international rugby - but I feel both have a little proving to do in terms of consistent form/fitness. Vunipola is lagging a little behind, needs to improve his scrummaging, although he's safe from Mullan/Waller/Catt for a little at least. Good if Corbs is fit, Acceptable if he isn't.
Mullan is looking really good! So we have Corbs, Marler, Vunipola, Mullan, and Catt/Waller as back-up. Lacks a world-class player when Corbs isn't fit, so I'd promote this to an Excellent if Corbs is fit and Good if not.

Blindside - Hopefully we might finally see the Croft vs Wood selection battle. If we don't, Jamie Gibson might be starting to push a case. Garvey's ankle problem is frustrating. I'm not a huge fan, but Johnson is a decent fall back option, and maybe Fearns could string together some games as well. Plus most of our opensides can play (better) here. Excellent
Croft is out. Fearns is out. Gibson not challenging. Slater is out. Thankfully, we have Haskell and Ewers. Unfortunately, Lancaster wants Clark! Wood is not a star player. Would put this only as an Acceptable

No 8 - Bill and Ben the Flowerpot Men's a fantastic pair of options as long as they don't break, at which point we panic... maybe Ewers? Should have mentioned him as a 6. Waldrom, thanks no thanks. Only two guys with only one of them an 80 minute man (if that) means only Good
Binny and Morgan are great players. Morgan is in very good form for Gloucester (it has been a long time since I could say that) and appears to be improving by the week. Ewers is in great form too and is a realistic option here. Haskell makes up the depth. I'd rate this Excellent. In fact, other than loosehead when Corbs is fit, I'd say that this is our best position.

Fly-Half - We know Farrell's gonna get picked and get the Lion's share of the time, but what about guys like Burns/Cips/Ford who have more natural talent and instinct but have things to prove at that level? Is Farrell actually good enough? What if he gets injured? I feel there's too many questions around the shirt, exciting as some of the might be, to be happy. The situation is Acceptable but that is a conservative prognosis.
This had potential to be promoted to Good and then Lancaster didn't pick Cips. Burns' star has completely faded now. Myler is our third-choice. I feel that if Ford doesn't make the step up to international level, then we are reliant on Farrell, who really isn't that great himself. Concerning.

Inside-Centre - So we've been over this... Burrell has defensive points to prove, plus I want to see him coping with an international blitz defence, and with the distribution role. Twelvetrees is not a consistent decision maker or as technically gifted as we once thought him to be but can be a strong option. Eastmond has defensive points to prove. Barritt would have to prove that he can prosper in a more attack minded England. The kids are all alright, but not there yet. Hill might be knocking on the door very loud though. Nevertheless, it is Concerning.
Concerning puts it mildly! This is the stand-out worrying position in the entire England squad. Plenty of options, every option has an Achilles heel. (Eastmond is not a defensive leader, Twelvetrees turns off in games, Barritt is uninspiring, Burrell can go missing. I would argue our best 12, an option no one really talks about, is Allen. Fantastic player. Always injured.) Losing sleep.

Wing - Some might disagree, but I don't think we've got a single winger who we can rely on defensively and expect big attack from. Nowell might genuinely be our best winger now, crazy as it is. There's a ton of talent, a lot of which is starting the season well, but a lot of points to be proven. Concerning.
Rokoduguni making headlines. May in real good form. Nowell getting more game time in the position. Ashton out of the squad. Plenty to be happy about here. Yarde going backwards is the only slight disappointment. Still, I think we are on the up. I'd adjust this to Good!

Full-back - I'm not overly happy about Foden being on the bench for Northampton, cos that means the main pressure on Brown is from Goode, which is not happy news. I mean, he's not awful, but... anyway, Brown/Foden/Goode with Tait, some of the youngsters, Arscott and maybe Pennell in the background is strong in theory, but could easily turn out to be thin in practice. Just Good.
Foden got some good form! And then wasn't picked in the squad. <_< Goode is officially second-choice. Demoting this position to Acceptable.
 
Call me a conservative old fogey, but I personally would be upgrading or downgrading the strength of positions based on domestic form - people like Mullan, Rokoduguni, May, they have to prove it on the big stage. Ditto Ewers, who of course isn't even in the squad. Maybe the 7 call-ins? Still, I'd call that a fairly accurate portrayal of form, except that Gibson's doing pretty much everything right with Leicester. Can't be too far off, particularly given he's the classic 6'4" work horse with no appreciable weakness that Lancaster loves.

I also suspect that if we called on Burns he'd deliver, regardless of domestic travails. Not a bad position to be in with your allegedly 5th choice fly-half.
 
Lancaster should of made manu defensive leader, a lot of 13s are. He is always going to be picked and if they aren't going to bother to teach him to pass they might as well tech him something.

That way you can try out the 12s and not have your systems fall apart. Then when manu is injured a defensive leader 13 steps up.

That would make much more sense than making evey 12 we try out attempt to be a defensive leader.
 
I think it's more on the ability of the player.

Pretty much every 12 Lancaster has tried in proper test matches (not argentina tour) from my memory have been stronger defensively than the 13.

I think you guys are speculating too much.
 
Lancaster should of made manu defensive leader, a lot of 13s are. He is always going to be picked and if they aren't going to bother to teach him to pass they might as well tech him something.

That way you can try out the 12s and not have your systems fall apart. Then when manu is injured a defensive leader 13 steps up.

That would make much more sense than making evey 12 we try out attempt to be a defensive leader.

Square peg round hole... why bother?

Your best defensive reader should be your defensive leader. it's a person not a specific position.... if it's BB then he is it, if it's 36 then it's him, if it's Burrell or Manu then they should be it.

Leading a defence isn't about getting up and making a smash, or completing a tackle, it's about organising and communication, calling when to drift calling when to get of the line or when to jockey and sit back.

Having said that 13 is seldom in a position to see those things as by the time the balls left the 10 channel the decisions must have been made.
 
I think Wood is better than Robshaw and if we were replacing anyone i would take out Robshaw and move Wood to that side and bring in someone a bit more explosive like Haskell or Ewers or even a monster like Matt Garvey (who i think its criminal has never been given a chance).

That said i think you'd more likely see Calum Clark come in.
 
I must admit a midfield of:
10 Farrell
12 Eastmond
13 Barritt

Would concern me as it puts too much onus on Eastmond as the playmaker. Even at club level he has Ford pulling some strings aswell.
 
Perhaps I'm going slightly mad, but I don't mind the look of Farrell-Eastmond-Barritt. Obviously it's not the best England can put out, but as a bodge for the next two months it's not terrible. My only concern would be Barritt's lack of pace and ability to pass in front of the wingers.

It's a similar combination to the one that played Scotland in 2013, only Twelvetrees has been replaced by a better playmaker. And the wingers aren't Brown and Ashton. So yeah, I'm not gagging at the prospect. First time for everything...

Also, the All Blacks early lead (3-17?) this time last year was mainly through out-flanking England's blitz. Shifting the defensive organiser one out--and making him Barritt--should go some way to stopping that.
 
Eh not entirely. They outflanked it once, leading to the wonder offload from Read that set up Savea's try off the botched lineout, then a bunch of forwards got sucked in by a runner when Robshaw was expecting them to keep drifting and Franks ran through a massive gap, couple of passes out to Read on the outside off the next phase.
 
Myler and Clark are playing very well today. I feel that people have got caught up with their opinions they formed a couple of years ago. For example everyone says Myler is full, but he led the league in try assists last year and has been the most consistent 10 in the league since being given the full time 10 shirt at Saints
 
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