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2014 6 Nations: France vs Ireland (Round 5)

OMG what a diappointment...
For once that we were the best team we lose...I guess that's our punishment for having won against Scotland last week while we we'rent deserve it.

As often we've been our worst enemy...we gave two tries, one by amazingly forgetting to defend in the centre of the field, and the last try following an interception of one of the numerous stupid blind passes that the players did. Shocking passes throughout the game, so many forward passes that cost us two already made tries...how can we be so stupid is beyond me. We played in urgency, this is the trademark of a team lacking confidence, would we have been more clinical we would have won comfortably.


Still there are plenty of reasons to be positive:

- the halves (yes !!): for once, the pair Tales-Machenaud did a good match, that's certainly the best news of that Tournament, maybe we've found ***ulars and there's still Trinh-duc-Parra in reserve,
- the centres. Especially Bastareaud, I was really not happy at all with him at the beginning of the 6N but I have to admit he never ceased to improve; he made BOD and d'Arcy look anonymous, and was good in everything he tried as well offensively and in defense also,
- the line-out improved a lot and passed a good test today,
- despite a second choice front row our scrum also did a good job. Domingo penalized 3 times because he's guilty of being shorter than his opponent is just a farce, but since the Scotland game we are used to be sanctioned while being better in that exercize. Fortunately he didn't cost us a lot this time.

But:
- defense; one major error only but what an error, I had the feeling that all the brains of the team suddenly disconnected at the same time,
- passes...monkeys sending balls randomly in the air would have look to have a smarter game,

That last action where Walsh didn't give a penalty is anecdotic, I usually like his refereeing even though as many SH men he sometimes do stupid things on scrums. We lose the game long before that action by the number of handling errors we made.

And would have Walsh award that penalty, we would have not avoided a roastbeef victory in the tournament ! :p
 
Four years as a pro rugby coach in Ireland for Joe Schmidt have resulted in the following:
2 Pro 12 runner ups
1 B&I Cup ***le
1 Amlin Cup ***le
1 Pro 12 ***le
2 Heineken Cup ***les
1 6 Nations ***le

He's a brilliant coach and has turned Ireland from also rans into a damn good team in the space of 6 months. Put him in charge of New Zealand's team and they'd be unbeatable.

Ireland were good but can play a lot better. There's nothing to separate them and England right now and both are in a good place in the extended lead up the 2015 World Cup.
 
Four years as a pro rugby coach in Ireland for Joe Schmidt have resulted in the following:
2 Pro 12 runner ups
1 B&I Cup ***le
1 Amlin Cup ***le
1 Pro 12 ***le
2 Heineken Cup ***les
1 6 Nations ***le

He's a brilliant coach and has turned Ireland from also rans into a damn good team in the space of 6 months. Put him in charge of New Zealand's team and they'd be unbeatable.

Ireland were good but can play a lot better. There's nothing to separate them and England right now and both are in a good place in the extended lead up the 2015 World Cup.
Would agree its a superb record and he is set up nicely to have a cut off World Cup
 
haha I know - no bloody idea whats happened there.

@ Scotty : Can you please mind your general grammar on this forum, thank you.

Isn't it brilliant when people like Steveomac turn up just after Ireland win the championship and start kicking up a fuss . It's my favourite thing .......

Imagine now the 6N has finished what's he going to watch from his armchair ?!?
 
I haven't read any of the previous posts (yet), so this is me on my little island and the things I'd like to say.

I said before the game I wanted Ireland to win, but the instinct won me back during the game, especially around the 60th minute when things got really close and competitive. I must start with the ugly part so it's out of the way: in any logic, the last scrum of a game any ref should call the penalties. France bullied Ireland then, and not giving us the penalty was always going to feel like we've been robbed a bit, regardless of NH or SH interpretation.

I'm happy Ireland won, but I would've liked it if they'd come in and really had the upperhand the whole game, which they didn't.
Ireland and England are the best in Europe. I would've wanted France to win this one because they at least showed something, something real tonight. And England would've deserved to win this tournament as they've been utterly consistent and solid throughout.

About the match now:
- Szar was an absolute warrior tonight.
- Bastareaud can never be called "useless for France" ever, ever again. What a player.
- Médard isn't good enough at the wing for a French backline, can't wait for Guitoune's return and hope to see Ben Fall in Australia next June. But it's a long shot.

- Papé has blown his second wide open pass this tournament with a WAY forward pass. Last time was in Cardiff when he yelled at rookie (and club teammate) H.Bonneval. He literally cost us the game as he butchered a magnificent sequence of pass, which ultimately would've made this France team into a clutch anthology team for the ages, no matter how bad we played. We'd have beaten England like that, Scotland with 3pts at the end, and then this. And 95% of the work was done, this has nothing to do with Irish pressure/defense etc...

- Our scrum is now officially a problem, out of the blue sorta. Domingo and Mas having enormous trouble with the new rules, especially Domingo it seems. What an utter disappointment.
- I saw today...Thomas Domingo struggle against Irish Tighthead Mike Ross...and then...Vincent Debaty, yes Debaty - come in and saw the scrum start to push forward again for France. I'd have been spontaneously paralyzed for about 5 seconds had you told me this 6 months ago.
- Lapandry and Vahaamahina good fits this tournament. Both great prospects for the future.
- Slimani currently BETTER than Mas at scrum time ??? At least close. Excellent news for us as he'll only get better there, and has way more potential in the loose.

- Talès can throw the shiittiest passes all of a sudden. I think he was tired towards the end, but they were scary.
- We only lost because Vincent Clerc didn't play tonight.
- Sexton is a choker. In fact, I've got a theory that he secretly faked the injury so he didn't have to kick penalties for the rest of the matc......ahem, what ? I didn't say anything. Carrying on.

- France actually showed high standards in things I wasn't so sure they had anymore:
defending the maul, showing up big time at the breakdown, meeting the high intensity/physical Ireland brought, got their lineout working fine again, Machenaud and Talès worked at halfbacks, good ball movement out of rucks...

We've got work to do, but this is much, much better from France.

Congratulations Ireland, well done. Congrats Schmidt, and congrats Ireland for making the schemes happen on the pitch.
Congrats England on a fantastic tournament too.
Congrats France for hanging in there despite the overall utter, utter....utter confusion.
 
What are you doing Scotty? You live in a nation where they teach bad language before the alphabet in school. :p That's like me being offended by alcoholism or of course the English being offended by arrogance!
 
I haven't read any of the previous posts (yet), so this is me on my little island and the things I'd like to say.

I said before the game I wanted Ireland to win, but the instinct won me back during the game, especially around the 60th minute when things got really close and competitive. I must start with the ugly part so it's out of the way: in any logic, the last scrum of a game any ref should call the penalties. France bullied Ireland then, and not giving us the penalty was always going to feel like we've been robbed a bit, regardless of NH or SH interpretation.

I'm happy Ireland won, but I would've liked it if they'd come in and really had the upperhand the whole game, which they didn't.
Ireland and England are the best in Europe. I would've wanted France to win this one because they at least showed something, something real tonight. And England would've deserved to win this tournament as they've been utterly consistent and solid throughout.

About the match now:
- Szar was an absolute warrior tonight.
- Bastareaud can never be called "useless for France" ever, ever again. What a player.
- Médard isn't good enough at the wing for a French backline, can't wait for Guitoune's return and hope to see Ben Fall in Australia next June. But it's a long shot.

- Papé has blown his second wide open pass this tournament with a WAY forward pass. Last time was in Cardiff when he yelled at rookie (and club teammate) H.Bonneval. He literally cost us the game as he butchered a magnificent sequence of pass, which ultimately would've made this France team into a clutch anthology team for the ages, no matter how bad we played. We'd have beaten England like that, Scotland with 3pts at the end, and then this. And 95% of the work was done, this has nothing to do with Irish pressure/defense etc...

- Our scrum is now officially a problem, out of the blue sorta. Domingo and Mas having enormous trouble with the new rules, especially Domingo it seems. What an utter disappointment.
- I saw today...Thomas Domingo struggle against Irish Tighthead Mike Ross...and then...Vincent Debaty, yes Debaty - come in and saw the scrum start to push forward again for France. I'd have been spontaneously paralyzed for about 5 seconds had you told me this 6 months ago.
- Lapandry and Vahaamahina good fits this tournament. Both great prospects for the future.
- Slimani currently BETTER than Mas at scrum time ??? At least close. Excellent news for us as he'll only get better there, and has way more potential in the loose.

- Talès can throw the shiittiest passes all of a sudden. I think he was tired towards the end, but they were scary.
- We only lost because Vincent Clerc didn't play tonight.
- Sexton is a choker. In fact, I've got a theory that he secretly faked the injury so he didn't have to kick penalties for the rest of the matc......ahem, what ? I didn't say anything. Carrying on.

- France actually showed high standards in things I wasn't so sure they had anymore:
defending the maul, showing up big time at the breakdown, meeting the high intensity/physical Ireland brought, got their lineout working fine again, Machenaud and Talès worked at halfbacks, good ball movement out of rucks...

We've got work to do, but this is much, much better from France.

Congratulations Ireland, well done. Congrats Schmidt, and congrats Ireland for making the schemes happen on the pitch.
Congrats England on a fantastic tournament too.
Congrats France for hanging in there despite the overall utter, utter....utter confusion.

How can you not support your own country ?!? If England had to win for wales to win the championship I would never want England to lose . Support your country to win every game irrespective of larger outcome . That's my motto anyway
 
How can you not support your own country ?!? If England had to win for wales to win the championship I would never want England to lose . Support your country to win every game irrespective of larger outcome . That's my motto anyway

because I stopped caring about my country because my country wasn't playing to 20% of its ability. Idealistically I wanted Ireland to win it over England, given that France had nothing to win anymore; if they won, they still had no chance at the ***le, and seeing how awful they'd been, I thought +1 or -1 victory give or take France aren't any better, they're still as dismantled in their rugby.
But I was proven wrong.
I'll repeat, although it's easy to say now: England were so very consistent the whole way they would've been a proud victor, of course I prefer Ireland to win it personally, but I'd have rather France beat Ireland in view of the game's intensity and France's much better playing, and England won the tournament ultimately.
But that is not.

Superb tournament England nonetheless. *Excellent* is deserved here. You did everything the right way....including letting us win in Paris ;)
 
I think overall Ireland deserved to win and deserved the 6 nations championship, also a great send off for O'Driscoll.
Despite France producing their best performance in the championship and actually looking like they had a coherent game plan, Ireland looked far more potent and clinical (Bar Sexton's goal kicking, and their kicking out of hand at times) than France.
France actually played a game with their heads up, and played what was in from to them, was execution at key moments which let them down.
It reminded me so much of the 2011 world cup final, where France had no right to be in that Final, yet in the final they played well and could have won it, just lacked that clinical killer touch to topple the All Blacks (The ref had a part to play too of course). Makes me wonder how much the coaches had a say in their play.
Ireland on the other hand, like the other games, have adapted their game very well depending on the opposition, but today, like the England game, there were times executing it was off at times, but in this one they did enough to be victorious in the end.
 
I know how you feel though because it was the same for me and many other Irish fans last year when we finished 5th - and thankfully for us that was the last straw and Kidney was booted. Our squad has barely changed and look at the difference, 5th -> 1st in a season.

Also I'd like to point out we haven't lost to France in 3 years :p.
 
France is a quality rugby country with a ton of fabulous players to choose from.
So what is their problem?

You have to have a close look at the coach.
 
France is a quality rugby country with a ton of fabulous players to choose from.
So what is their problem?

You have to have a close look at the coach.

Its weird, cause France, despite losing, actually looked like a well drilled organised team and gameplan against Ireland, in stark contrast to the rest of the championship. I dunno if the players stopped listening to their coaches n decided to play for themselves, or if they finally took on board the game plan Saint-Andre was trying to get them to play. I'd lean towards the first one tbh
 
I'm absolutely ****** and steaming after today's result. I love Ireland rugby
 
F*cking h*ll that was some game.

Absolutely delighted, was such a roller coaster game I think I had a small seizure when france went over n the 78th min, before falling to the floor when the final whilst was blown.
 
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