[2013 TRC] New Zealand vs South Africa in Auckland (14/09/2013)

[ABs2011]

The Doomsayer wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at your response to the other post. Sorry for being a bit vague.

I think Hansen is taking a bit of a gamble.

Changes at Hooker and 2 new backrow changes plus inside centre. Those are 4 vital tactical positions. If your Hooker gets frazzled or is under pressure, then your first phase ball possession is lost. Having 2 new flankers can be detrimental to getting momentum. And Nonu, after just coming back from injury could be a defensive liability.

All this considered, they are quality players, and shouldn't have any problems. I just think that this is more fuel to the fire for the Boks to win.

Some other interesting stats:

The last time the All Blacks lost the Tri-Nations was when they were smashed the previous EOYT by a NH team.
Saturday is the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, and interestingly enough, in 1937 when the Boks last won at Eden Park, it was also on the Yom Kippur holiday.

The Stars are aligned!!

I don't agree with that at all really. A gamble?
Firstly, as everyone knows, Sam Cane is a forced change, and he is the logical replacement. Can't be considered a risky move seeing as Hansen was forced into the change.

The second change in the backrow, to most Kiwis I would imagine, was predictable. Messam is the incumbent #6, and for reasons already discussed in detail it is logical he returns. Again, not risky at all, as Hansen knows exactly what Messam will give, not to mention he is preferred tactically for such a game, and he has a developed combination with Sam Cane as well.

Nonu was rested last week, while it might be technically correct to say he is "returning from injury". The reality is he's been playing through the high ankle sprain for months and I promise you he would have played last week if last weeks game was v SA. Again, he is the incumbent and this was not a unexpected change at all, nor a risk.

The only positional change which might be considered a risk is at Hooker. As mentioned, it appears to be a trade-off between superior lineout abilities and ball carrying vs experience and maybe scrummageing. Risky?? Meh, maybe, but with Mealamu on the bench if it doesnt go well, he gets pulled. I think it's a good call to be honest. I'm not a big fan of Coles (unpleasant experience on the turps in Wellington) but I respect his Rugby game, and think he probably offers a bit more than the two older blokes Hansen could have gone with.

I don't think Hansen is taking a gamble at all.

I guess Hansen could have gone with Hore or Mealamu at hooker and that might be considered less risky, but who do you consider would have been less of a gamble re the other 3 changes?

 

[Da Grappla]

Who would be the most affected on the pitch if some shower falls from the sky like previous weekend? I'd think springboks aren't used to much rain in SA, but NZ play style perhaps will take the worst part.



Now the off topic part.

uh oh...there's a jewish guy on the forum. Did you HAVE to be jewish dude ?! That's anooother thing I can't joke about now on this thing !
Can't make fun of the haka, can't make fun NOTHIN on here, and now THIS ?!

And yes...I've got someone dear to me in my family that's German. But I don't mind jokes, as long as they're not pathetic that is.

You can make fun of everything you want...Sense of humor and freedom of speech are better than self censorship. Charlton Heston couldn't be hardly righter about political correctness.

With political correctness reigning supreme you'll end up talking only about the weather and your job.

A Spanish Jew?

We're maybe ten thousands all over the country. Most are of moroccan/argentinian (and therefore, russian/german/polish/etc except a few from the ottoman empire) heritage.

Founder of Dannon was a turkish jew settled in Barcelona...his son never wanted french citizenship so he could keep his spanish one, as is the owner of Mango. The current european commisionner for competition is a spanish jew (Joaquín Almunia Amann)...there are a few.

Euan Murray doesn't play Sundays. Didn't Michael Jones also have a problem with it?

Exactly, Euan Murray...that's the guy I was thinking about.

In SA there is no rugby ever played on Sundays.

Sundays are still seen as a holy day in SA, not only for Jews, but for most Christians in SA. Guys like Pierre Spies and Bakkies Botha, have spoken out about it in the past.

That said, it seems that when they play in NZ or Aus, they are a bit more lenient about their faith principles.

But this is a discussion for another thread...

Religion and high level competition...could be a good thread.

 

[Draggs]

Never knew too much about Spanish Jews, Ill have to read a bit more about that. Studied a bit about Al Andalus and the whole Almohad/Almoravid caliphate.

 

[rgman]

Go All Blacks!

 

[Gena_ZA]

Problem 1 - How the hell am I suppose to sleep tonight?
Problem 2 - With a champagne breakfast staring at 08H00 SA time and the game at 09H35, how am I going to stay sober?

Problems, NO PROBLEM - Make us proud Bokke

 

[TRF_heineken]

Problem 1 - How the hell am I suppose to sleep tonight?
Problem 2 - With a champagne breakfast staring at 08H00 SA time and the game at 09H35, how am I going to stay sober?

Problems, NO PROBLEM - Make us proud Bokke

I have a similar problem...

Problem 1 - I have a late "business lunch" this afternoon.
Problem 2 - I have to wake up tomorrow morning 5 am, for my Engagement Photo shoot... (**** me right?)

I told my fianceè that if I'm not back home at 8:30am tomorrow, then the wedding is off...

 

[Icemn]

I have a similar problem...

Problem 1 - I have a late "business lunch" this afternoon.
Problem 2 - I have to wake up tomorrow morning 5 am, for my Engagement Photo shoot... (**** me right?)

I told my fianceè that if I'm not back home at 8:30am tomorrow, then the wedding is off...

engagement photoshoot??? ftw???

for memories about ur last days as a free man??

 

[TRF_heineken]

engagement photoshoot??? ftw???

for memories about ur last days as a free man??

Apparrently it's a package deal...

The photographer for the wedding now takes a Pre-wedding/Engagement photoshoot that you don't pay extra for. Then they use those photos as part of the decor/invitations for the wedding...

Chicks and their wedding ****!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Problem 1 - How the hell am I suppose to sleep tonight?
Problem 2 - With a champagne breakfast staring at 08H00 SA time and the game at 09H35, how am I going to stay sober?

Problems, NO PROBLEM - Make us proud Bokke

I have a similar problem...

Problem 1 - I have a late "business lunch" this afternoon.
Problem 2 - I have to wake up tomorrow morning 5 am, for my Engagement Photo shoot... (**** me right?)

I told my fianceè that if I'm not back home at 8:30am tomorrow, then the wedding is off...

I trump you all;

- have a bachelor's party that starts with paintball at 10h30! I'd skip but the problem is it's for my brother..
- then there is the Bulls vs WP game during the baby's bath time... I know it doesn't sound like it should be a problem and I'll stand up to my wife more often than not but have learned the hard way that bath time is sacred.. after which its back to the bachelor's party...

I am going to have to somehow avoid all forms of communication that might hint at rugby results and on Sunday make-believe it is actually the day before.

EDIT: actually, Hein, I think you take it on 2nd thought; brides are scary... and you know you are going to be late, right?

 

[TRF_heineken]

I trump you all;

- have a bachelor's party that starts with paintball at 10h30! I'd skip but the problem is it's for my brother..
- then there is the Bulls vs WP game during the baby's bath time... I know it doesn't sound like it should be a problem and I'll stand up to my wife more often than not but have learned the hard way that bath time is sacred.. after which its back to the bachelor's party...

I am going to have to somehow avoid all forms of communication that might hint at rugby results and on Sunday make-believe it is actually the day before.

EDIT: actually, Hein, I think you take it on 2nd thought; brides are scary... and you know you are going to be late, right?

I have Bridezilla!!

and the effing problem is, we have to drive 70km to Magoebaskloof to take the photos!! by my calculations. if we drive at 5am, we will arrive there at 5:45am. start shooting at 6am and be done at the latest 8 am. then the drive back 8:45am... so It should be all good...

Should be...

right??

...


...


:huh:

Ah **** it!! I'm gonna miss the first half!!

 

[Gena_ZA]

[font=&quot]go bokke[/font]

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I have Bridezilla!!

and the effing problem is, we have to drive 70km to Magoebaskloof to take the photos!! by my calculations. if we drive at 5am, we will arrive there at 5:45am. start shooting at 6am and be done at the latest 8 am. then the drive back 8:45am... so It should be all good...

Should be...

right??

...


...


:huh:

Ah **** it!! I'm gonna miss the first half!!

You know it.

 

[Big Ewis]

I honestly don't know who to cheer for.
stormer: yes I know, according to our devilish, epic deal I may have to become a Boks supporter (for how long by the way, surely not my whole life ! let's say til the end of the year 2013, cool ?).

I don't want the Blacks to get too powerful because then their fans become even less bearable (as if possible, I know...), but I like the Blacks too and am not sure I prefer the Boks...
hhhmmmmmm....really can't pick one. May the best team win (as opposed to one winning with luck, or being dominated the whole game but still winning in the end), and hopefully this can be really tight. I mean it's in NZ, the Blacks may very well beat SA badly..

 

[Icemn]

I have Bridezilla!!

and the effing problem is, we have to drive 70km to Magoebaskloof to take the photos!! by my calculations. if we drive at 5am, we will arrive there at 5:45am. start shooting at 6am and be done at the latest 8 am. then the drive back 8:45am... so It should be all good...

Should be...

right??

...


...


:huh:

Ah **** it!! I'm gonna miss the first half!!

lmimm:lol:

 

[Sker]

Hein,

Have someone pause the game for you when the anthems start, the pause lasts up to 2 hours I think.

Can't bloody wait for this game...

EDIT: Anyone know what the weather will be like for this game?

 

[Gena_ZA]

Any sports lover in SA should have a PVR for that day you can't watch it live
No rain predicted for tonight, cool 10 degrees with a realfeel of 6 degrees, cool but clear - source http://www.accuweather.com/en/nz/auckland/252066/daily-weather-forecast/252066?day=1

 

[Gena_ZA]

Luckily my wife of 13 years watches the games with me, she is keen on having about 20 friends over over for champagne breakfast and some quality time + quality rugby if all goes well
Train them early Hein

 

[hjklhjkl]

Prediction Time: NZ 23 SA 22

Today gonna be a long day, can't wait for the game tonight

 

[smartcooky]

Any sports lover in SA should have a PVR for that day you can't watch it live
No rain predicted for tonight, cool 10 degrees with a realfeel of 6 degrees, cool but clear - source http://www.accuweather.com/en/nz/auckland/252066/daily-weather-forecast/252066?day=1

It was piisssing down in Auckland at 6pm

 

[TRF_heineken]

I made it!!!