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Think Hines has retired from international rugby - presumably that covers Lions as well.

I would have reservations about making that assumption. Certainly that assumption would appear not to apply to Jonny Wilkinson.
 
I think those stats rather flatter Rennie due to some of the quality of opposition played, also he has a large number of missed tackles. In the same light three of Sean O'briens 7 tests were against New Zealand. However they do look very encouraging for Robshaw.
 
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Well yeah, because he specifically came out and said as such.

How do you think Hines would react to being asked?

Because, without reasons to think otherwise, I think he'd jump at it. I think any player would.

And I also think he's a bloody good shout.
 
I don't think the coaches would bother to make things even harder for themselves in terms of selection in the case of someone who has already semi-ruled themself out, when you consider that there's about 8 other available locks who have sometime in the last few years, shown that they are capable of great rugby:

Charteris, B. Davies, Gray, Lawes, Launchbury, O'Connell, Parling, Ryan, Wyn-Jones.

Sorry if I've missed any obvious ones. From the above, we only take 5. **** me I literally cannot wait; Lions tours are the best and most excitement rugby has to offer.
 
I don't think the coaches would bother to make things even harder for themselves in terms of selection in the case of someone who has already semi-ruled themself out, when you consider that there's about 8 other available locks who have sometime in the last few years, shown that they are capable of great rugby:

Charteris, B. Davies, Gray, Lawes, Launchbury, O'Connell, Parling, Ryan, Wyn-Jones.

Sorry if I've missed any obvious ones. From the above, we only take 5. **** me I literally cannot wait; Lions tours are the best and most excitement rugby has to offer.

I very much hope they don't feel that way, if they have to go that extra mile to win it then that is a cheap cost.

Hines is an excellent player - very physical, very streetwise. There's plenty in that list I'd rather see on the opposition than him.
 
Hines and Thorn are the only opposition locks where as a Bok fan I've ever felt damn, that guy again.
 
Hines and Thorn are the only opposition locks where as a Bok fan I've ever felt damn, that guy again.


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IMO id lke to see:

1. Corbisiero
2. Best/Hartley (very close between the two, reckon Best will start just ahead)
3. Cole
4. AWJ
5. Launchbury (outstanding when on the pitch in autumn internationals)
6. Lydiate
7. Ferris
8. Heaslip

9. Youngs (will be interesting to see who fills in this position/ Problem position)
10. Sexton (the only really established fly half for anyof the countries/ consistent performer)
11. North (some debate about his inclusion, his impact when on form cant be ignored)
12. Roberts
13. J. Davies (with Roberts and him in the centres we could see a formidable already experienced partnership), cant see Roberts/Tuilagi working very well)
14. Ashton (rate him highly, good finisher)
15. Halfpenny(class operator if Kerney is back on form i reckon we could see him on the wing)

debatable position IMO are 1, 8, 9, 12 and 13(as a partnership)
 
Couple of problems: never seen Ferris play seven and reckon Healy should start.
 
A lot of people picking Roberts at 12. He's great defensively, but has he really shown enough in attack past his ability from years ago? Beck should be ahead.
 
Right, here's my highly dubious team which ONLY SELECTS PLAYERS CURRENTLY FIT.

1) Healy
2) Best
3) Cole
4) Launchbury
5) Parling
6) Wood/Robshaw - I'm genuinely unable to choose.
7) Tipuric
8) Heaslip

9) Care
10) Sexy
11) Halfpenny
12) J. Davies
13 O' Driscoll
14) Bowe
15) Foden

16) Corbisiero
17) A. Jones
18) Hartley
19) B. Davies / Gray / Ryan
20) O'Brien
21) Blair
22) Hook
23) Kearney

8 Oirish
8 Poms
6 Welshies
1 Scotch

Note: I'm aware that Jonathan Davies plays 13 for Wales, but he plays 12 for Scarlets alot, and I'm always impressed with him there - great footballing skills.
Obviously I'm aware that Halfpenny is currently playing at full-back for Wales, but he's spent much of his career on the wing and I feel that untill we have a second winger who is on top form and demanding a starting place, the two full-back solution is better.
Nearly went for Gray instead of B. Davies but it would feel a bit of a cop-out to be honest - maybe I'm wrong but I don't think he's been fantastic this season and I worry that lots of us me included reel his name out simply because we know he has played very well in the past... he's got to earn it.
Launchbury - I haven't entirely played by my own rules because I feel that he needs this six nations to build consistency and cement his England place. If the Lions starting XV was being picked tomorrow it would feel rather premature choosing him as a starter.

The close one's: Cole/Adam Jones is very tight, and to be honest if thats our biggest problem (its not!) then we're laughing. I'd be happy with either but I really appreciate Cole's work in the loose.
It feels harsh/almost insane not to have someone of Tuilagi's talent at least on the bench... the impact he could have. I think I'd look very closely at Brian's form nearer the time just to make sure. As I say, O'd Driscoll at present would be my first choice, but I also think 12. Davies 13. Tuilagi could work...?
Hook versus Farrell felt like a tough one, as they both bring such different assets.... I went for Hook for his versatility, and also because with Priestland out injured I have some faith that Hook will get some gametime at 10 during the six nations.... maybe I'm wrong?
O'Brien versus the one of Wood/Robshaw not starting was tough... but Sean can play all 3 positions well and is without doubt a good impact player (and much much more)
I felt Morgan only lost out very narrowly to Heaslip but I really rate Heaslips all round game, and that includes his fitness and experience.
I would have been more than happy with Kearney at 15 instead of Foden...but I had to choose one, and i'm a foden fan...
 
Right, here's my highly dubious team which ONLY SELECTS PLAYERS CURRENTLY FIT.

1) Healy
2) Best
3) Cole
4) Launchbury
5) Parling
6) Wood/Robshaw - I'm genuinely unable to choose.
7) Tipuric
8) Heaslip

9) Care
10) Sexy
11) Halfpenny
12) J. Davies
13 O' Driscoll
14) Bowe
15) Foden

16) Corbisiero
17) A. Jones
18) Hartley
19) B. Davies / Gray / Ryan
20) O'Brien
21) Blair
22) Hook
23) Kearney

8 Oirish
8 Poms
6 Welshies
1 Scotch

Note: I'm aware that Jonathan Davies plays 13 for Wales, but he plays 12 for Scarlets alot, and I'm always impressed with him there - great footballing skills.
Obviously I'm aware that Halfpenny is currently playing at full-back for Wales, but he's spent much of his career on the wing and I feel that untill we have a second winger who is on top form and demanding a starting place, the two full-back solution is better.
Nearly went for Gray instead of B. Davies but it would feel a bit of a cop-out to be honest - maybe I'm wrong but I don't think he's been fantastic this season and I worry that lots of us me included reel his name out simply because we know he has played very well in the past... he's got to earn it.
Launchbury - I haven't entirely played by my own rules because I feel that he needs this six nations to build consistency and cement his England place. If the Lions starting XV was being picked tomorrow it would feel rather premature choosing him as a starter.

The close one's: Cole/Adam Jones is very tight, and to be honest if thats our biggest problem (its not!) then we're laughing. I'd be happy with either but I really appreciate Cole's work in the loose.
It feels harsh/almost insane not to have someone of Tuilagi's talent at least on the bench... the impact he could have. I think I'd look very closely at Brian's form nearer the time just to make sure. As I say, O'd Driscoll at present would be my first choice, but I also think 12. Davies 13. Tuilagi could work...?
Hook versus Farrell felt like a tough one, as they both bring such different assets.... I went for Hook for his versatility, and also because with Priestland out injured I have some faith that Hook will get some gametime at 10 during the six nations.... maybe I'm wrong?
O'Brien versus the one of Wood/Robshaw not starting was tough... but Sean can play all 3 positions well and is without doubt a good impact player (and much much more)
I felt Morgan only lost out very narrowly to Heaslip but I really rate Heaslips all round game, and that includes his fitness and experience.
I would have been more than happy with Kearney at 15 instead of Foden...but I had to choose one, and i'm a foden fan...
Bowe isn't fit mate, he's just recently had surgery to correct an injury he got int he Ulster-Northampton game a few weeks back. He wont be back till near the end of the club season at best I think. Opens the door for most of the talented young's 14's in the isles though I suppose.
 
Right, here's my highly dubious team which ONLY SELECTS PLAYERS CURRENTLY FIT.

1) Healy
2) Best
3) Cole
4) Launchbury
5) Parling
6) Wood/Robshaw - I'm genuinely unable to choose.
7) Tipuric
8) Heaslip

9) Care
10) Sexy
11) Halfpenny
12) J. Davies
13 O' Driscoll
14) Bowe
15) Foden

16) Corbisiero
17) A. Jones
18) Hartley
19) B. Davies / Gray / Ryan
20) O'Brien
21) Blair
22) Hook
23) Kearney

8 Oirish
8 Poms
6 Welshies
1 Scotch

Note: I'm aware that Jonathan Davies plays 13 for Wales, but he plays 12 for Scarlets alot, and I'm always impressed with him there - great footballing skills.
Obviously I'm aware that Halfpenny is currently playing at full-back for Wales, but he's spent much of his career on the wing and I feel that untill we have a second winger who is on top form and demanding a starting place, the two full-back solution is better.
Nearly went for Gray instead of B. Davies but it would feel a bit of a cop-out to be honest - maybe I'm wrong but I don't think he's been fantastic this season and I worry that lots of us me included reel his name out simply because we know he has played very well in the past... he's got to earn it.
Launchbury - I haven't entirely played by my own rules because I feel that he needs this six nations to build consistency and cement his England place. If the Lions starting XV was being picked tomorrow it would feel rather premature choosing him as a starter.

The close one's: Cole/Adam Jones is very tight, and to be honest if thats our biggest problem (its not!) then we're laughing. I'd be happy with either but I really appreciate Cole's work in the loose.
It feels harsh/almost insane not to have someone of Tuilagi's talent at least on the bench... the impact he could have. I think I'd look very closely at Brian's form nearer the time just to make sure. As I say, O'd Driscoll at present would be my first choice, but I also think 12. Davies 13. Tuilagi could work...?
Hook versus Farrell felt like a tough one, as they both bring such different assets.... I went for Hook for his versatility, and also because with Priestland out injured I have some faith that Hook will get some gametime at 10 during the six nations.... maybe I'm wrong?
O'Brien versus the one of Wood/Robshaw not starting was tough... but Sean can play all 3 positions well and is without doubt a good impact player (and much much more)
I felt Morgan only lost out very narrowly to Heaslip but I really rate Heaslips all round game, and that includes his fitness and experience.
I would have been more than happy with Kearney at 15 instead of Foden...but I had to choose one, and i'm a foden fan...

Pretty good team I suppose. I know they currently aren't fit but when Ferris and Lydiate get back from injury in Feb I don't think Wood or Robshaw can overtake either of them. For now though I think Wood would get it.
Parling? Hmm, I think I'd rather have Richie Gray - how's he doing in the Aviva?

Bowe is out as Tribesman pointed out - I think it pretty much rules him out of the tour. Not sure when he gets back. Maybe that opens up a 11. Halfpenny 14. Foden 15. Kearney combo? Or would 3 mainly fullbacks be a problem?

For 7 Tipuric, did he not have a bad last few games? I didn't see most of Wales' AI matches but I heard Warburton was outstanding.
(If Warburton is injured then I didn't realize)

Rory Bests throwing has been rubbish lately, around the park he's extremely good. If he fixes his throwing then that's not a problem, however currently I think Hartley should get it.
 

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