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Which players deserve a Star/impact player status in 2012?

Ugh. I say no star players.

Chris Ashton better than Hosea Gear? No. Is Chris Ashton more important to England than Hosea Gear is to New Zealand? Probably.

Players like Henry Tuilagi are not better than players like Kieren Read. It makes no sence for them to have stars. Just get rid of the system.

I love the fact that the first post in this thread, has players who wouldn't make the Boks starting team, that should be rated as impact players. Willem Alberts, Patrick Lambie, Keegan Daniel, Jean Deisel etc.

Another post has Percy Montgomery and Heinrich Brussow rated significantly higher than Daniel Carter and Richie McCaw, the two best players in their positions, perhaps ever.

Sonny Bill Williams is in, from what!? He hasn't shown he is even NZ's starting 12. I mean FFS.

I want to rename this thread, "Players that I like"
 
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All Blacks Star Players

Daniel Carter
Richie McCaw
Kerian Read
Mils Muliaina

All Blacks Impact Players

Ma'a Nonu
Sonny Bill Williams
Jarome Kaino
Owen Franks

Aus Stars

Kurtley Beale
David Pocock
James O'Connor
Adam Ashley Cooper

Aus Impacts

Quade Cooper
Drew Mitchell
Digby Ioane
Will Genia

Sth Africa Stars

Fourie Du Preez
Victor Matfield
Heinrich Brussow

Sth Africa Impacts

Schalk Burger
Bakkies Botha
Francois Hougaard
Bryan Habana

I was thinking something like this maybe Star Players get 3 special attributes and Impacts have the ability to change the game with 1 big move and also boost the morale of the team for a short while which can help win the game.
 
they should make 1 or 2 star players in every international team...make it a bit interestin
 
Ugh. I say no star players.

Chris Ashton better than Hosea Gear? No. Is Chris Ashton more important to England than Hosea Gear is to New Zealand? Probably.

Players like Henry Tuilagi are not better than players like Kieren Read. It makes no sence for them to have stars. Just get rid of the system.

I love the fact that the first post in this thread, has players who wouldn't make the Boks starting team, that should be rated as impact players. Willem Alberts, Patrick Lambie, Keegan Daniel, Jean Deisel etc.

Another post has Percy Montgomery and Heinrich Brussow rated significantly higher than Daniel Carter and Richie McCaw, the two best players in their positions, perhaps ever.

Sonny Bill Williams is in, from what!? He hasn't shown he is even NZ's starting 12. I mean FFS.

I want to rename this thread, "Players that I like"

**** I thought this was Players that I like :S How awkward.
 
Ugh. I say no star players.

Chris Ashton better than Hosea Gear? No. Is Chris Ashton more important to England than Hosea Gear is to New Zealand? Probably.

Players like Henry Tuilagi are not better than players like Kieren Read. It makes no sence for them to have stars. Just get rid of the system.

I love the fact that the first post in this thread, has players who wouldn't make the Boks starting team, that should be rated as impact players. Willem Alberts, Patrick Lambie, Keegan Daniel, Jean Deisel etc.

Another post has Percy Montgomery and Heinrich Brussow rated significantly higher than Daniel Carter and Richie McCaw, the two best players in their positions, perhaps ever.

Sonny Bill Williams is in, from what!? He hasn't shown he is even NZ's starting 12. I mean FFS.

I want to rename this thread, "Players that I like"

if you read carefully there (first post) we would like a distinction between star and impact players...almost every team has an impact player(s) or a guy that can swing the game.

eg.Brad thorn- Not gonna be a game changing player (no imapct or star). Richie mccaw- a star player because he always plays well, impact player-piri weepu can come off the bench and totally swing the game in your advantage. Get what i am on about? 08 had star/impact players, now we want impact to relate to certain players and star to certain players.
 
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An impact player only makes an impact because he played better than the guy he replaced. Ben Youngs would be an impact player, but I'd rather have him on from the start.
 
Last weekend Leinster V Connacht Eion redden came off the beach and changed the gem. Dos that make him a fairly average player an impact player then?
 
Hmm, I could be digging myself a hole.

Let me try to clarify. If a sub comes on and tears a defence to shreds, creating 3 tries to win his team the game, that certainly is an impact, but is it an intrinsic value of that player? Can he only do that coming off the bench when he has a bit more energy than everyone else, or would he have played that well from the start?

I really don't know where I'm going with this, so I'll just say in regards to a game; skills and abilities yes, artificial boosts no.
 
i think from the start or off the bench...a guy can start a game, but play brilliantly for a few seconds and win the game...same with a sub. 4 me main thing is that impact players can swing a game in a matter of special moments...star players play a good game most of the time, but don't always win the game 4 u, eg. Matfield can play well throughout the game, but he is not going to single handedly swing the game by 15 points...guys like Beale and Alberts...scoring tries and creating opportunities are 4 me impact players. This is more complex than i thought it would be...eish.
 
So you don't mean the same type of star players as in previous games? Because they were ridiculous.
Everytime you swivelled the right analog with BOD he'd just dance around the defence and score a try. Everytime u kicked the ball with Wilkinson or Carter it would find touch exactly 1 metre in front of the oppositions tryline, even if u kicked it from within ur own 22. Everytime McCaw or Dallaglio entered a ruck they would turn the ball over.
None of that please!
 
Interesting that Richie is a 92 and Heinrich is a 98 in your rating system...maybe a typo, should be an 88? I don't mind legends being involved like in past Maddens, but not in the normal roster. Percy and the like (Robinson, Umaga etc...) are done with high level rugby, and if you rated Percy now he would probably be in the 70s or low 80s compared to current stars. Just have the players have ratings and let the ratings take care of who is a "star" or "impact" or whatever...If Matfield has a 99 "lineout jump" then he will clearly impact that portion of the game. I definitely think HB should take the time to Motion Capture some players because that has been some of the problems with rugby games in the past All the players were pretty much the same player (looks wise) with a different name. Also, please please please please change the rucking engine from the old games. Randomly lost rucks for no reason are really annoying. If I have players with a good rucking rating and I keep my players with support then I shouldn't lose the ball unless a very good poacher gets a hold of it, or I knock it on or the other team has a great counter ruck. So please do something about that! Please make the franchise mode like FIFA 11, with normal rugby transfers and scouting new players from other countries and such and building up your academy. Also, I don't necessarily "need" lower club levels like FIFA has (as in Coca Cola Championship, League 1 and League 2 in England or Spanish Primera and Spanish segunda etc...) though it would be nice, and if you can do it, do it! So you'd have:
England: Aviva Premiership, Championship
France: Top 14, Pro D2
Italy: Super 10
Japan: Japanese Top League
South Africa: Super 14, Currie Cup
New Zealand: Super 14, Air New Zealand Cup (is that still the name?)
Australia: Super 14, Compilation of Club leagues into one
Wales, Scotland, Ireland: Celtic League teams as well as top club teams
Argentina: Top 16 clubs from the regional competition and the Jaguars
USA: Super League (I play in the super league and for USA rugby so I know this one would be tough, just do your best with it)
Canada: Top Club competition (Same problem as USA, just do your best)
Try to get Fij Samoa and Tonga involved int he club leagues as well as maybe Russia, Georgia and Romania if you can but that is a lot to ask.
Playing in all the club leagues around the world would be fun but I would totally understand if the only "franchise" teams and leagues you could play in are from England, France, Italy, SA, Australia and New Zealand, but FIFA does a pretty good job allowing you to play with all the smaller countries leagues so I don't see why the little extra effort to get more leagues involved would be too tough. Cost effectiveness makes it tough because Rugby 2012 will be nowhere near as big a game as FIFA but it would still be worth it to the rugby community that wants to play the game. Then you could have the Heineken cup, and other representative club competitions. It would also be AWESOME if you could coach one of the Super 14 teams and also coach the club level of a team too, as in coach the Chiefs through the Super 14 and then coach Wellington in the Air New Zealand Cup.
Please just make the franchise mode good, not terrible like all past rugby games. If you lost players to international duty that would be cool too. You don't need to be able to coach international teams during your franchise mode but that would be pretty cool, or actually very cool. That way you could keep an eye on the domestic competition and your athletes playing in other countries and bring them in as they improve.
Okay this was really long, but all these features would give the game depth, which was one thing the previous rugby games were severely lacking.
 
matt giteau should be an impact player for the other team, he just throws away games with his horrible kicking
 
I think there should be 30 star players in the game 15 per hemisphere
e.g.
southern hemisphere
1 T Woodcock
2 J Smit
3 CJ Van Der Linde
4 V Matfield
5 N Sharpe
6 R Elsom
7 R McCaw
8 K Read
9 F Du Preez
10 D Carter
11 B Habana
12 M Giteau
13 C Smith
14 D Mitchel or J O'Conner or K Beale
15 M Muliaina

northern hemisphere
1 A Sheridan
2 M Rees or F ongaro
3 P Vickery or M Castrogiovanni
4 N Hines
5 D O'Callaghan
6 M Williams or J Worsley
7 L moody
8 S chabal or J Heaslip
9 M Blair or F michalak
10 O'Gara,J Wilkinson
11 S Williams
12 Y jauzion or T Shanklin
13 B O'driscol
14 T Bowe or Bergamasco or Rodgerie
15 C Paterson or C heymans

I don't know too much about the southern hemisphere
I have tried to spread them between countries as much as I could.
 
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Dexter if you rate Percy 97 Legend what do us Kiwis do with Cullen?? Does he go 100 and Double Legend?? because i think even you South Africans will admit nobody in world rugby played like Cully did in his prime. Best Fullback to ever wear the Black Jersey or any jersey for that matter....
 
I think there should be 30 star players in the game 15 per hemisphere
e.g.
southern hemisphere
1 T Woodcock
2 J Smit
3 CJ Van Der Linde
4 V Matfield
5 N Sharpe
6 R Elsom
7 R McCaw
8 K Read
9 F Du Preez
10 D Carter
11 B Habana
12 M Giteau
13 C Smith
14 D Mitchel or J O'Conner or K Beale
15 M Muliaina

Southern hemisphere
1 A Sheridan
2 M Rees or F ongaro
3 P Vickery or M Castrogiovanni
4 N Hines
5 D O'Callaghan
6 M Williams or J Worsley
7 L moody
8 S chabal or J Heaslip
9 M Blair or F michalak
10 O'Gara,J Wilkinson
11 S Williams
12 Y jauzion or T Shanklin
13 B O'driscol
14 T Bowe or Bergamasco or Rodgerie
15 C Paterson or C heymans

I don't know too much about the southern hemisphere
I have tried to spread them between countries as much as I could.

If there is going to be "Star" Players then I agree with the most part of the above, except for Shanklin.... In his prime i'd never say he'd be a "star" (Solid but not a star). There are better 12's within Wales and definitely within the Northern Hemisphere. (Not having a go at all tho, cause the rest are fine). I'd probs replace Shanklin with Jamie Roberts (if I were to go down the welsh route) o'r substitute him for a better 12 from Northern Hemisphere (I aint woken up properly yet so i can't think but their are plenty :p :p), then have Adam Jones as Wales's other "Star" :D :D
 
Hard to tell really as id say star and impact status is different.

Guys who make an impact, are play makers or who can get a team going;

England;
Ben Foden
Ben Youngs
Chris Ashton
Lewis Moody
Courtney Laws

Wales;
Shane Williams
James Hook
Gavin Henson
Lee Halfpenny
Bradley Davies
sam Warbuton
Gethin Jenkins

Oz;
Kurtley Beale
James O Connor
Quade Cooper
Mat Giteau
 
Hard to tell really as id say star and impact status is different.

Guys who make an impact, are play makers or who can get a team going;

England;
Ben Foden
Ben Youngs
Chris Ashton
Lewis Moody
Courtney Laws

Wales;
Shane Williams
James Hook
Gavin Henson
Lee Halfpenny
Bradley Davies
sam Warbuton
Gethin Jenkins

Oz;
Kurtley Beale
James O Connor
Quade Cooper
Mat Giteau

You're definitely Welsh!
 
Wilkinson is still a massive player, he dominates every game he plays for toulon and he was unlucky with Danny Care and Flutey playing so poorly around him in the 6nations. If they were going to do star players he should definately still be one. BUT I really hope they dont do Star players
 

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