Wales vs England - 16/03/2013

[madman]

I understand that I should leave them be, but I've not posted anything which is gloating, just trying to show them that the ref wasn't a factor today. They are basically taking away our performance, and saying the ref did everything for them.

The Ken Owens incident is the one he got wrong (on second viewing it should have been a penalty to England), but there things happen. There were a number of occasions that Walsh got things wrong the other way round, but because Wales were on top, things are more likely to go Wales' way because England are the ones under pressure.

we made loads of mistakes today but if the ref had watched the scrums it may have been a different score you cann't win a game without winning scrums​

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[smartcooky]

England were found out a bit here. Once they got out of the range of kicking penalty goals to stay within the 7 point margin they needed, they appeared clueless as to how to do anything about it.

Justin Tipuric well deserved the man of the match, he was outstanding at the breakdown, a real "McCawesque" performance, and he definitely showed up England's lack of a genuine, mobile openside flanker.

Oh, and Steve Walsh had absolutely nothing to do with the way this match went. I thought he had a pretty good game. NONE of the props were binding correctly all the time, so the whinging about Walsh not penalising Adam Jones' binding is completely unjustified. When all four props won't bind correctly, who is he going to penalise? He can either pick one at random (and fans will accusing him of guessing) or he can hold everything up and make sure everything is perfect (and the fans will accusing him of being pedantic). In this case, the referee is on a hiding to nothing.

England were beaten because they were completely out-scrummaged (8 - 1 - lost 3 on their own put-in), hammered at the breakdown (rucks 116 -71, mauls 5 - 2), and gave up possession and territory at the rate of about 65 - 35. That is all the key areas of the game.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yup, we didn't losebbecause of Walsh.
In my view he had a poor game, but we would've been smashed if hed had a great game.
Wales were the better side, end of.

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[madman]

Yup, we didn't losebbecause of Walsh.
In my view he had a poor game, but we would've been smashed if hed had a great game.
Wales were the better side, end of.

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but the ref should not have a bad game

 

[ratsapprentice]

England were found out a bit here. Once they got out of the range of kicking penalty goals to stay within the 7 point margin they needed, they appeared clueless as to how to do anything about it.

Oh, and Steve Walsh had absolutely nothing to do with the way this match went.

None of our weaknesses today were news, with the possible exception of the dominance at the breakdown.
We have been iffy at the scrum before now, the Welsh have been strong.
We had no way of getting on the front foot, due to no number 8 and a lack of creativity/pace in the backs.
All issues which have been widely talked about this week.

Walsh did have a hand in the score, not the result.
The try that came from the turnover by Owens should not have happened as the ball was played on the floor.
Still would have been a mullering though.

 

[ratsapprentice]

but the ref should not have a bad game

No-one should have a bad game, player or ref. They do.
Human fallibility.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

No-one should have a bad game, player or ref. They do.
Human fallibility.

Exactly this.

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[madman]

No-one should have a bad game, player or ref. They do.
Human fallibility.

but has the law to follow but did not anyway well done wales

 

[j'nuh]

I'm looking at the bright side now. A grand slam/tournament win would have probably meant no changes for the summer. Pressure on Lancaster to change things up. Hopefully the English Sarries-bias has died in Cardiff.

 

[Jbobo]

Not going to read the previous posts.

Just want to say, that was a f*****g amazing experience. Hard luck England you had a great championship, but today was nothing to do with the ref.

 

[ratsapprentice]

The past two matches (today's less so) have really turned me off Barritt.
I was (am, to an extent) a massive fan of his despite his limitations going forward.
Goode played better, but Brown has done exceptionally well considering he is being played out of position.
He really needs to be played at 15, with new wingers.
I am really unsure as to where the issue is in the scrum, because none of our props are considered weak for their clubs.
Marler and Vunipola are obviously inexperienced and prone to a degree of inconsistency, but the problem seems deeper than this.

ps. Would now be a good time to mention that I'm half Welsh?

I think both sets of fans would do well to recognise the distinct abnormality of the Intensity seen in today's game.
Particularly in regards to which players they want to see on the lions tour.

 

[Draggs]

Can we do that against a 3N team? Please?
Thanks.

Wales and England like busting each others Slams.
1994 was a similar situation somewhat.
Still think England and Wales will make up the brunt of the Lions.

 

[smartcooky]

but the ref should not have a bad game

I think its wonderful how fans are prepared to forgive players for knocking the ball on, throwing the ball forward, missing tackles, giving away silly penalties and kicking into touch on the full, but the referee makes a couple of mistakes and they are all over him like a rash.

England missed 19 tackles today, (Ashton, Cole, Launchbury and Robshaw missed two each and Wood missed three) and gave up 18 ruck & maul turnovers but the referee misses something he perhaps should have seen, and everything becomes his fault. FFS, all the players have to do is one thing at a time, tackle, or run, or kick, or pass. The referee has to look everywhere at once and make decisions at the same rate as a fighter pilot in a combat zone.

Keep mind that there are 31 people in the Playing Area of the rugby field; 30 players and one referee, and he's the only one not trying to cheat.

 

[Tony Manx]

I understand that I should leave them be, but I've not posted anything which is gloating, just trying to show them that the ref wasn't a factor today. They are basically taking away our performance, and saying the ref did everything for them.

The Ken Owens incident is the one he got wrong (on second viewing it should have been a penalty to England), but there things happen. There were a number of occasions that Walsh got things wrong the other way round, but because Wales were on top, things are more likely to go Wales' way because England are the ones under pressure.

If you are blaiming the ref, you did not play very well.................now, who was it who said this....................of course he is a narcisstic barstweard and I have seen him have better games over the last few years but he was not the reaon Wales won...............they were effing super in the second half!!

 

[Draggs]

I think its wonderful how fans are prepared to forgive players for knocking the ball on, throwing the ball forward, missing tackles, giving away silly penalties and kicking into touch on the full, but the referee makes a couple of mistakes and they are all over him like a rash.

England missed 19 tackles today, (Ashton, Cole, Launchbury and Robshaw missed two each and Wood missed three) and gave up 18 ruck & maul turnovers but the referee misses something he perhaps should have seen, and everything becomes his fault. FFS, all the players have to do is one thing at a time, tackle, or run, or kick, or pass. The referee has to look everywhere at once and make decisions at the same rate as a fighter pilot in a combat zone.

Keep mind that there are 31 people in the Playing Area of the rugby field; 30 players and one referee, and he's the only one not trying to cheat.

That is excellent, going to have to keep that.

I thought Walsh was pretty fair. It was evident that Wales were preparing their plan around his refereeing at the scrums and breakdown.
Play the ref, something we could barely do in the past.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Which authority is making Walsh tape over his tattoo, and why?

I decree that he shall be known as Doug, henceforth.

 

[SelimNiai]

I could watch his dummying Brown to hell a thousand times

 

[smb64]

After chilling out a bit I'm happy to just accept Wales were very good today. England..hhmmm I don't even know where we go from here 0 positives to take from that performance.

Luckily I can now to bury myself in the F1 season and pretend today never happen'd

 

[Draggs]

I liked Richard Hibbard's Dan Lydiate impression.

 

[Saint Matt]

The fact of the matter is, this England team isn't good enough to win a grand slam - it's as simple as that. We have been strung along on the back of three decent performances (one of which was in the automm) and although we beat the French and the Italians, we were far from convincing.

Lancaster needs to make a decision regarding the pack, and I highlight the back row in particular. He need to decide on whether Robshaw, Wood or Croft plays 6, and then add in a specialist 7 and a ball carrying 8 on the back of that. Stefan Armitige is so appealing because he is such an effective ball carrier as well as an out and out 7, and if you replace Croft and Wood with Armitige and Morgan, you are adding two effective ball carriers to a side that is in desperate need of just that. Unfortunately Armitige is more of a pipe dream to be honest, so the likes of Wallace and Kvesic need to be looked at IMO.

Brad Barritt was highly exposed, and Lancaster missed a trick by leaving Twelvetrees out of the side. Barrett offers absolutely nothing in an attacking sense, and his lack of pace from a defensive point of view was highlighted today. On the back of that, the likes of Tualagi and Goode struggled to get into the game, and on a whole, our backline just didn't function.

In all this negativity, I almost forgot to praise the skipper. He has been asked to play a role at 7 that simply doesn't suit him, but he has lead the team superbly well IMO. He runs his blood to water every time he pulls on a white shirt, and I would like to thank him for that.

Congratulaitions Wales - you put us to the cleaners today. The England coaching staff, you are stubborn to the point of iddiocy - go and hang your heads in shame.