Wales v Fiji

[TRF_Olyy]

Sisa doin what he does best in the lead up to that fiji try - running in a straight line and sucking in half of the opposition defenders to stop him

That PT was dodgy! ******** was that ball still in the scrum! Ball comes out then JT steps round to be over it again (to my eyes, anyhow)

 

[Geoff_]

So proud of fiji,
Starting to look good for Samoa and fiji for next years WC

 

[Charles]

Well done Fiji...Their pack posed us big problems last week in the rain...Their backs have never been in question but good on them if they can get a cohesive, organised forward pack.

 

[smartcooky]

I think the Fijians were hard done by with this Penalty Try.

This ball is out of the scrum. Once the ball is outside the feet of any player in the scrum (provided it has not come out of the tunnel) the ball is out, so the scrum has ended.

20.10 ENDING THE SCRUM
(a) The ball comes out. When the ball comes out of the scrum in any direction except the tunnel, the scrum ends.

Then the Welsh No. 8 sticks his foot out and pulls it back in..

Law 20.9 SCRUM GENERAL RESTRICTIONS
(d) All players: When the ball comes out, leave it out. When the ball has left the scrum, a player must not bring it back in to the scrum.
Sanction: Free Kick



This should have been a Free Kick to Fiji, not a Penalty Try to Wales!!

Very poor Monsieur Garces, very poor indeed.

 

[Nate Dizzle]

Just imagine, for two seconds, what the likes of Fiji and Samoa could do with more money. Considering their own non-competitions and limited international calendar they often can punch above their weight (this game a perfect example), mostly in world cups. IRB need to get off their arses.

 

[smartcooky]

Just imagine, for two seconds, what the likes of Fiji and Samoa could do with more money. Considering their own non-competitions and limited international calendar they often can punch above their weight (this game a perfect example), mostly in world cups. IRB need to get off their arses.

Yes, but the iRB are controlled the Six Nations Unions aren't they?

Do you really think they want any more than just the two countries in the Pacific Area to be strong enough to kick their butts?

 

[Muzzy]

that penalty try was utter rubbish, even some of the scrum decisions before that were rubbish, there was a time where the welsh halfback had ample time to put the ball in with the scrum still holding up, but instead the welsh half back just put his hand up like "i don't want to put it in" so the ref gave a penalty to wales, yet when the Fijian half back did the exact same thing for previous scrums the ref still have the penalty to wales. i think the decision was based on bias because of fiji's reputation at scrums and because wales are supposed to have a stronger scrum, even when the welsh scrum had turned 180 the penalty was still given to wales. i also thought Bai's yellow card was harsh too, imo it was a solid hit and he didn't turn the player onto his head, at most it was a penalty, but i also believe pacific island teams get targeted with things like this, if a pacific islander does anything that almost resembles a dangerous tackle its an automatic yellow card for them

i was impressed with Fiji's fullback Matavesi though, he's improved a lot since i last saw him play, i think he and Ratuvou will be competing as the main fullback for Fiji now, i think Matavesi's kicking ability and calmness under pressure will put him ahead of Ratuvou for fullback though. Tagicakibau and Goneva also played a lot better than i thought they would have, Nalaga didn't have a good game the week before so there is now some good competition for the main winger position for fiji. however i think Delasau is still Fiji's best winger but he wasn't available, and Henry Speight should be in the Fiji team next year too. i think Ligairi is out of the running for fullback but he does have a chance at playing winger for Fiji, the replacement fullback for Fiji Taniela Rawaqa didn't play well and still has a lot of developing to do

 

[Charles]

Yes, but the iRB are controlled the Six Nations Unions aren't they?

Do you really think they want any more than just the two countries in the Pacific Area to be strong enough to kick their butts?

Is this ironic?

If the 6N really controlled the IRB I doubt we would have seen the ELV's and the recent ruling a the tackle, who are basically promoting running rugby, as opposed to the take it up the jumper style favored in the North. You may have a point about the Celts, but i don't think France or England are trying to prevent the Pac Nations getting stronger.

 

[brunobroughton]

i thought the ref was appauling yesterday...he wasn't decisive and had no idea in the srums...hope enlgand win today, but all credit to fiji for a hard fought draww ..

 

[Sam Owen]

I just found out now Fiji drew with Wales thats maginificent.

YEAH!!!

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

I am really surprised because they played very well against SA last week

 

[durbutter]

Is this ironic?

If the 6N really controlled the IRB I doubt we would have seen the ELV's and the recent ruling a the tackle, who are basically promoting running rugby, as opposed to the take it up the jumper style favored in the North. You may have a point about the Celts, but i don't think France or England are trying to prevent the Pac Nations getting stronger.

surely no nation has the ability, or the want to compromise the ability of another nations to compete

Thats a disgraceful allegation.

 

[smartcooky]

surely no nation has the ability, or the want to compromise the ability of another nations to compete

Thats a disgraceful allegation.

I don't believe they will be "actively" trying to do so, but IMO they certainly do not go out of their way to assist.

Opportunities to help the islands have been put in front of the iRB before, such as the proposal to allow players born in a Tier 2 country, who have played for a Tier 1 country, to make a one-time permanent switch back to the country of their birth. This proposal has been fronted several times to the iRB, and has been "block voted" down by the Six Nations Unions, using their double voting rights.

Also, the proposal for an iRB funded Pacific Nations Championship was turned down several times since 1996, again by 6N block voting, before finally getting the go-ahead in 2006. It took TEN YEARS to get the "57 Old Farts" off their collect fat-arses and make them see something other than the bottom of their "pink gin" glasses.

Similarly, it seems they are unwilling to have the period of time the PNC is run, recognised as an official iRB window. This means they have no leverage when it comes to to getting their players back from Europe to participate.

Possibly, Charles is right when he says England and France wouldn't fall into that category, however, I cannot see that having strong Fijian, Samoan and Tongan sides would serve the interests of any of the Celtic Sides.

 

[TrueSlawter]

. i also thought Bai's yellow card was harsh too, imo it was a solid hit and he didn't turn the player onto his head, at most it was a penalty, but i also believe pacific island teams get targeted with things like this, if a pacific islander does anything that almost resembles a dangerous tackle its an automatic yellow card for them

The yellow card was due to the fact his legs went over 90 degrees or whatever it is, he did land on his back so wasnt a spear like tackle but it could've been thats why i think the yellow was given, just as a warning to say be careful when lifting in the tackle, and i think it was Bai who hit a high tackle around 5 mins before the incident (or earlier than that im not 100% sure)

 

[gingergenius]

I don't believe they will be "actively" trying to do so, but IMO they certainly do not go out of their way to assist.

Opportunities to help the islands have been put in front of the iRB before, such as the proposal to allow players born in a Tier 2 country, who have played for a Tier 1 country, to make a one-time permanent switch back to the country of their birth. This proposal has been fronted several times to the iRB, and has been "block voted" down by the Six Nations Unions, using their double voting rights.

Also, the proposal for an iRB funded Pacific Nations Championship was turned down several times since 1996, again by 6N block voting, before finally getting the go-ahead in 2006. It took TEN YEARS to get the "57 Old Farts" off their collect fat-arses and make them see something other than the bottom of their "pink gin" glasses.

Similarly, it seems they are unwilling to have the period of time the PNC is run, recognised as an official iRB window. This means they have no leverage when it comes to to getting their players back from Europe to participate.

Possibly, Charles is right when he says England and France wouldn't fall into that category, however, I cannot see that having strong Fijian, Samoan and Tongan sides would serve the interests of any of the Celtic Sides.

So how many tests have the All Blacks played in Apia, Suva and Nuku'alofa?

 

[cyRil]

I don't believe they will be "actively" trying to do so, but IMO they certainly do not go out of their way to assist.

Opportunities to help the islands have been put in front of the iRB before, such as the proposal to allow players born in a Tier 2 country, who have played for a Tier 1 country, to make a one-time permanent switch back to the country of their birth. This proposal has been fronted several times to the iRB, and has been "block voted" down by the Six Nations Unions, using their double voting rights.

Also, the proposal for an iRB funded Pacific Nations Championship was turned down several times since 1996, again by 6N block voting, before finally getting the go-ahead in 2006. It took TEN YEARS to get the "57 Old Farts" off their collect fat-arses and make them see something other than the bottom of their "pink gin" glasses.

Similarly, it seems they are unwilling to have the period of time the PNC is run, recognised as an official iRB window. This means they have no leverage when it comes to to getting their players back from Europe to participate.

Possibly, Charles is right when he says England and France wouldn't fall into that category, however, I cannot see that having strong Fijian, Samoan and Tongan sides would serve the interests of any of the Celtic Sides.

You're right. The Celtic nations are a disgrace and you have single-handedly unveiled us for the frauds and charlatans we truly are.
Instead, we should adopt New Zealand's more subtle but direct approach of stifling their rugby development by just stealing all of their best players.

 

[munstermuffin]

Lads people seem to be putting Wales down but great credit must go to Fiji who were excellent and the Pacific Island teams are improving massively through getting alot more players based in Europe.

 

[durbutter]

I don't believe they will be "actively" trying to do so, but IMO they certainly do not go out of their way to assist.

Opportunities to help the islands have been put in front of the iRB before, such as the proposal to allow players born in a Tier 2 country, who have played for a Tier 1 country, to make a one-time permanent switch back to the country of their birth. This proposal has been fronted several times to the iRB, and has been "block voted" down by the Six Nations Unions, using their double voting rights.

Also, the proposal for an iRB funded Pacific Nations Championship was turned down several times since 1996, again by 6N block voting, before finally getting the go-ahead in 2006. It took TEN YEARS to get the "57 Old Farts" off their collect fat-arses and make them see something other than the bottom of their "pink gin" glasses.

Similarly, it seems they are unwilling to have the period of time the PNC is run, recognised as an official iRB window. This means they have no leverage when it comes to to getting their players back from Europe to participate.

Possibly, Charles is right when he says England and France wouldn't fall into that category, however, I cannot see that having strong Fijian, Samoan and Tongan sides would serve the interests of any of the Celtic Sides.

What? It'd be in the interest of the game.

If it is the case then shame on the ones involved. This is worse than the SANZAR changing the rules every ******* year.

THat kind of self interest thinking will kill the game. Still i find it hard to believe that there is a shadowy celtic cabal keeping the pacific nations down. There must be a good reason for the above issues

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Yes, but the iRB are controlled the Six Nations Unions aren't they?

Do you really think they want any more than just the two countries in the Pacific Area to be strong enough to kick their butts?

I don't believe they will be "actively" trying to do so, but IMO they certainly do not go out of their way to assist.

Opportunities to help the islands have been put in front of the iRB before, such as the proposal to allow players born in a Tier 2 country, who have played for a Tier 1 country, to make a one-time permanent switch back to the country of their birth. This proposal has been fronted several times to the iRB, and has been "block voted" down by the Six Nations Unions, using their double voting rights.

Also, the proposal for an iRB funded Pacific Nations Championship was turned down several times since 1996, again by 6N block voting, before finally getting the go-ahead in 2006. It took TEN YEARS to get the "57 Old Farts" off their collect fat-arses and make them see something other than the bottom of their "pink gin" glasses.

Similarly, it seems they are unwilling to have the period of time the PNC is run, recognised as an official iRB window. This means they have no leverage when it comes to to getting their players back from Europe to participate.

Possibly, Charles is right when he says England and France wouldn't fall into that category, however, I cannot see that having strong Fijian, Samoan and Tongan sides would serve the interests of any of the Celtic Sides.

Pure and utter ********!

So what you are saying, is that the likes of Wales are stopping the likes of Fiji etc develop, hardly. Its quite ironic that someone within the SH once again criticises the NH and in particular points the finger at the 'Celtic Nations'. Its quite rich to have a go, but last time I checked Fiji, Samoa and Tonga are all in the SH, so surely thats a job for the SANZAR to look at as well as the IRB. I know for a good fact that within the WRU that they have mentioned in the past within meeting at the IRB about looking at developing the likes of Fiji, Samoa and Tonga. I also know that within the same sorts of meetings there was some objections from other nations. Some from the NH and some from the SH. What really gets to me is that people are quick to blame the NH yet when people criticised the ELV's people in the SH were quick to defend it, although it was ********.

What I just like for you to do is stop there, before you carry on saying something that will end you with a potential lawsuit. You cannot go round just apparently blaming the Celtic Nations. The SH must take the blame for it also. I take the Argentina case, SANZAR were so stubborn about allowing them into the game, yes most of the players play in Europe but the country is in the SH and the major competition in the SH took extraordinary time to get them into the competition. I get a little sick and tired of the same faces jibbering on about the NH nations. Quite pathetic. How can this be a pure problem for the NH and in-particular for the 'Celtic Nations' ...

 

[TrueSlawter]

Cymro its our fault and all that was we are not in the SH and we are not in the top 3 in the world you see.. well thats how it seems they think its our fault.