TRF's 2014 FIFA World Cup

[Big Ewis]

Oh no !!!!!! The FIFA World Cup thread has turned into the "working class in Argentina" thread !! Guys no, please...take it out there, it's the designated area by default now for this...sort of thing..

SOOOO: who's got Argentina for the final ?? Not me ! Germany to get it. And Brazil to fail big again Saturday. I'll bet...3-1 Holland.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I disagree with you. I think for example if last year was a RWC 2013 and South Africa have been the champion, they would have been fair champions. In their last game against ABs in South Africa, they showed that they are at the same level than ABs. About WC 1995, nobody thought that in 1995 South Africa could beat Australia, however they did. And then at the final match they were at the same level than ABs, therefore they were the best team in the world at that time.

I also think that the victory of France over NZ in 1999 was very fair and in that moment France was better than NZ, surpassed them in all aspects of the game. New Zealand is the best rugby team in the world, that for more years was the best, no doubt. But were not the best team in every moment of the rugby history. When they were defeated by South Africa three times in a row, they were not the best team in the world.

False!!!

I'm South African and not even I will say SA was the best team in 1995! We surprised Australia. We barely beaten France in the semi's thanx to the ref not seeing Olivier Roumat scoring a try due to the horrible weather, and then the final... Pure determination and under the weather opposition...

Man, this last day was so nice on this forum without your pathetic remarks... Can't you just stay away??

 

[Feicarsinn]

So it's heineken vs thingimubob. Where the hype train at?

Also, there'll be an arbitrary prize.

 

[TRF_heineken]

So it's heineken vs thingimubob. Where the hype train at?

Also, there'll be an arbitrary prize.

Just give me the prize already! Argentina's going to Messi't up...

 

[Big Ewis]

if Germany put another 7 past Argentina in the final, would they immediately be considered the best football team of all-time lol ?

 

[Thingimubob]

So it's heineken vs thingimubob. Where the hype train at?

Also, there'll be an arbitrary prize.

Woooo arbitrary prize! just what I wanted!

 

[LittleGuy]

Woooo arbitrary prize! just what I wanted!

I think it's Hemorrhoid cream.

 

[Jaguares]

False!!!

I'm South African and not even I will say SA was the best team in 1995! We surprised Australia. We barely beaten France in the semi's thanx to the ref not seeing Olivier Roumat scoring a try due to the horrible weather, and then the final... Pure determination and under the weather opposition...

Man, this last day was so nice on this forum without your pathetic remarks... Can't you just stay away??

You're amazing, just to contradict me, you would say that the Springboks are the worst team in the world. NZ was the best team in 1995 but couldn't even make a try against the weak South African team, ok.

You want to divert attention away. Incidentally, I'm still waiting for a reply on this:

So basically you are saying that this can happen.

Your words here are "in rugby is rare that this happens".

So not impossible like you said...

This argument is too ridiculous. You have been overcome in the discussion, so now trying to turn the discussion about the words 'impossible' and 'rarely happens'. As you said, this isn't an rocket science. So the use of the word 'impossible' or 'rarely happens' has the same meaning. The point is that it's something that happens more easily in football than rugby, is common in football and is rare in rugby. So I still have reason and yet I hope your examples.

Now if you want to turn this into a discussion about: 'Hey, you first said that it's impossible. Now you say it rarely happens, you're changing your speech'. Go ahead, we all know that for the point I'm expounding, both words have the same meaning. You've lost the discussion, but if it makes you happy. You can say I'm wrong because first I said impossible and then I said rarely, that's a very clever argument.



Yeah, There are many examples of very weak teams like Namibia or Uruguay, which beat a Tier 1 team and then won a championship such as: Italy 1982, Greece 2004, Italy 2006, Velez Sarfield (Copa Libertadores 94), Once Caldas (Copa Libertadores 2004), Argentinos Juniors (Copa Libertadores 1985) and others.

@edumerino; you know about Copa Libertadores and Velez Sarfield, Once Calda and others



:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[TRF_heineken]

You're amazing, just to contradict me, you would say that the Springboks are the worst team in the world. NZ was the best team in 1995 but couldn't even make a try against the weak South African team, ok.

You want to divert attention away. Incidentally, I'm still waiting for a reply on this:

I didn't say they were the worst team, I just said they weren't the best. The Boks also didn't score a try against the All Blacks!

Waiting for a reply?? Not necessary, others with brains did reply, so that I don't have to... Even though I did...

http://www.therugbyforum.com/threads/33387-TRF-s-2014-FIFA-World-Cup?p=657503&viewfull=1#post657503

But can you now please stop derailing the thread as usual.

 

[nickdnz]

if Germany put another 7 past Argentina in the final, would they immediately be considered the best football team of all-time lol ?

Well...I've been hoping Germany would win this one (as it's where my GF is from), but Germany have been a bit 'meh' in some games this tournament. They thrashed Portugal, drew with Ghana (ironically the weakest team they faced), snuck by USA 1-0 and then had a pretty miserable match against Algeria which they won 2-1 (through a goal in the 120th minute!). The Brazil game was crazy. If they thrashed Argentina by that much they may be considered the best team of all time, but this tournament has really currently only seen the best of Germany in their opening and their last game.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Well...I've been hoping Germany would win this one (as it's where my GF is from), but Germany have been a bit 'meh' in some games this tournament. They thrashed Portugal, drew with Ghana (ironically the weakest team they faced), snuck by USA 1-0 and then had a pretty miserable match against Algeria which they won 2-1 (through a goal in the 120th minute!). The Brazil game was crazy. If they thrashed Argentina by that much they may be considered the best team of all time, but this tournament has really currently only seen the best of Germany in their opening and their last game.

Well this regime's Blitzkrieg comes in very short spells. We here at HQ have been looking at the process since WWII and have since been perfecting the process. The game against Brazil was just the prototype, and since it was such a huge success, we will be looking to do the same and a bit more against the Argentinians...

Also Neuer is expected to be ready for the final, he had to get 20 lashes for that awful performance in the Semi's letting Brazil score 1 goal. It wasn't the goal that brought the punishment, but that Neuer showed a little bit of sympathy towards the Brazilians. We had to take drastic steps, and we will be Panzer-Neuer on Sunday!!

 

[nickdnz]

I inappropriately called the game against Brazil as the - semi-final solution.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I inappropriately called the game against Brazil as the - semi-final solution.

In Germany not one single man had just a semi...

 

[Big Ewis]

I inappropriately called the game against Brazil as the - semi-final solution.

haha, very good !

 

[SimonG]

Conrad (whatever the Argies actual name is) in talking bo!!@x shocker. To make a point about defensive teams in Rugby, Munster have routinely come up against teams with far superior back lines, but that big red machine like pack of theirs has suffocated opponents and dominated for nigh on a decade. In Rugby the pack controls the ball for long periods to the point that backs barely get a touch...you hear RL folk talk about backs getting cold from not getting used. England with their 10 man Rugby label and brutish pack cleaned up all before them...still see images of that pack dominating NZ in NZ prior to the 03 World Cup. South Africa have always had a brutish pack and suffocated many games...the '95 World Cup being one of those. The awesome NZ back line (one of if not the greatest I've seen) were starved of clean ball. What's the saying..."forwards win games (backs by how many)"

In football its predominantly the opposite...it's attackers who invariably decide the games. Very very rarely a defensive set up comes out on top...a tactic notably employed by the Italians, but catenaccio is long dead. Their star man is a playmaker in Andrea Pirlo, before him Del Piero, before him Roberto Baggio. AC Milan won sweet f@ck all with their Italian defensive set up...until the attacking Dutch trio of Marco Van Basten, Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard showed up. Germany used to be a tad more defensive minded but were routinely getting stuffed by attacking teams (Brazil in '02, Italy in '06, Spain in two of the last three tournaments) hence haven't won anything in two decades. They ripped up their old system and now are almost Spain like in their flair, movement and quick passing.

 

[Jaguares]

Conrad (whatever the Argies actual name is) in talking bo!!@x shocker. To make a point about defensive teams in Rugby, Munster have routinely come up against teams with far superior back lines, but that big red machine like pack of theirs has suffocated opponents and dominated for nigh on a decade. In Rugby the pack controls the ball for long periods to the point that backs barely get a touch...you hear RL folk talk about backs getting cold from not getting used. England with their 10 man Rugby label and brutish pack cleaned up all before them...still see images of that pack dominating NZ in NZ prior to the 03 World Cup. South Africa have always had a brutish pack and suffocated many games...the '95 World Cup being one of those. The awesome NZ back line (one of if not the greatest I've seen) were starved of clean ball. What's the saying..."forwards win games (backs by how many)"

In football its predominantly the opposite...it's attackers who invariably decide the games. Very very rarely a defensive set up comes out on top...a tactic notably employed by the Italians, but catenaccio is long dead. Their star man is a playmaker in Andrea Pirlo, before him Del Piero, before him Roberto Baggio. AC Milan won sweet f@ck all with their Italian defensive set up...until the attacking Dutch trio of Marco Van Basten, Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard showed up. Germany used to be a tad more defensive minded but were routinely getting stuffed by attacking teams (Brazil in '02, Italy in '06, Spain in two of the last three tournaments) hence haven't won anything in two decades. They ripped up their old system and now are almost Spain like in their flair, movement and quick passing.

Disagree, for some reason the players of packs are called: 'FORWARDS', because they go forward. No rugby strategy is equal than 'Catenaccio' in football because they are very different sports with very different rules. A package beat to another package, isn't the same as 10 players football into his own net near of their goalkeeper. And what about 'penalty shootout'? There is nothing in rugby that you can compare to that. And that's all I have to say about it, I don't want to divert attention from this thread.

 

[Feicarsinn]

I think it's Hemorrhoid cream.

Hmmm, I do have a fair bit left over from last time...

 

[TRF_heineken]

Disagree, for some reason the players of packs are called: 'FORWARDS', because they go forward. No rugby strategy is equal than 'Catenaccio' in football because they are very different sports with very different rules. A package beat to another package, isn't the same as 10 players football into his own net near of their goalkeeper. And what about 'penalty shootout'? There is nothing in rugby that you can compare to that. And that's all I have to say about it, I don't want to divert attention from this thread.

Man, you are all over the place now!!

To reiterate what others have already said:

So why compare them all the bloody time!?!?!

(I wanted this in caps lock to show my frustration but it wouldnt let me)

Conrad, make up your ****ing mind!! Compare them or don't, but just stop talking out of your ass!!

 

[Big Ewis]

tomato sauce and ketchup. Wine and grape juice. Fine difference, and yet nothing alike. I never learned to ride a bike. This can go on for a long period of time, but it won't. I'm hungry. I'll have some food now. Eating is a judicious choice to make, and I salute my decision. The longer you eat in this life, the healthier your chances of not dying are. It sounds complicated, and yet, it's something we all manage to understand. Nobody really dislikes food. What would you call that, a phagephile ? I'd say that's a pretty good shot at it, but I'm no bicycle rider, remember. Tomato juice and grape sauce. Very fine line, and yet the healthier your chances are of dying. Of not dying, sorry. My mistake. I'm hungry. I'll have to go eat now.
Judicious juice.

 

[lynam1104]

I ****ing lost it on conrad's last post as somebody on here once said (think it was cmac) "you make contradicting yourself a skill my friend"