TRF's 2014 FIFA World Cup

[LittleGuy]

Guess I'll cheer for Germania now, don't like hosts to do well. Too many people of Dutch descent in Niagara that will gloat, Argentina I'm fairly nuetral towards.

 

[lynam1104]

And i'm finally out, a shame unfortunately that Costa goalie who was outstanding in the game let in penalties while Krul was outstanding and a bit of a master stroke by Netherlands.

 

[SimonG]

On another day the Dutch would have scored four. Having said that Costa Rica did have that one golden chance 2 minutes from time that the goalkeeper brilliantly saved. The Dutch were by far the better team so justice was done in the end. Van Gaal bringing on a substitute goalkeeper for the pens was a brave decision as he would have got hammered had that backfired.

The Argies will have been gutted about the result as they would have eased past Costa Rica in the semi, but now I can see the Dutch winning that game. Robben for me is player of the tournament. He would get the credit he deserves if he wasn't so prone to theatrics.

As much as id like to see Agentina win to crown Messi as being up among Pele and Maradona, i have a feeling this is Holland's year.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I think it's really wide open at the moment,
Brazil, Germany and Holland (and to a lesser extent Argentina) have all got the potential to be absolutely incredible.....but all of them (and to a large extent Argentina) have looked incredibly uninspiring.

 

[LittleGuy]

I think it's really wide open at the moment,
Brazil, Germany and Holland (and to a lesser extent Argentina) have all got the potential to be absolutely incredible.....but all of them (and to a large extent Argentina) have looked incredibly uninspiring.

Yeah these are my thoughts as well, all four teams have shown glimpses of being World Cup Champions and all have had games where they coasted. I would say Argentina have slightly less favourable odds than the other three but Netherlands was forced to play an extra half hour plus penalties that will add to their fatigue level come Semi-final time. Brazil will also likely have the advantage of the calls and home crowd. On form I'd say Germany would be my favourite but Brazil have the intangibles.

 

[Jaguares]

This is one of the things I don't like about football. Today, Netherlands dominated to Costa Rica, they were much better, they had more possession and more shots on goal but still they could have lost the game. Football is a very unfair sport, the best doesn't always win. Examples? Italy in WC 2006, Greece in the UEFA Euro 2004.

In rugby it's impossible to happen because you have to defend 50 meters wide and there are also different ways to score points. While in football, you only have to worry about defending 7 meters wide and 2 meters high (football goal) and also have a player who is dedicated exclusively to defending the area. In football a team can give up the ball, may give up possession and focus on defending the whole game and still can get positive results, because it is a sport with few score.

In football it isn't necessary be better to beat your opponent, eg Mourinho's Inter and even so you could win. In rugby you have to beat your opponent in almost every aspect of the game to win and that's something that can be seen by comparing the champions of each sport. Some great champions of rugby in the last years: Toulouse, Toulon, Chiefs, Reds, All Blacks and others, all of them are dominant teams, who impose their rhythm in most of their games.

Which rugby team is comparable to Greece 2004 or Italy 2006? Teams which only dedicated to defending and still they were champions. Football is very unfair, and that's something I don't like it.

If the game Netherlands-Costa Rica were a rugby match, Netherlands have won 5-0, but as is football, Netherlands may have lost on penalties. A team with 80% possession in a rugby match it's almost impossible to lose, while in a football match that is possible, in fact, happens often.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Costa Rica's going to change their football team's name to Just-a Keepa...

 

[edumerino]

This is one of the things I don't like about football. Today, Netherlands dominated to Costa Rica, they were much better, they had more possession and more shots on goal but still they could have lost the game. Football is a very unfair sport, the best doesn't always win. Examples? Italy in WC 2006, Greece in the UEFA Euro 2004.

In rugby it's impossible to happen because you have to defend 50 meters wide and there are also different ways to score points. While in football, you only have to worry about defending 7 meters wide and 2 meters high (football goal) and also have a player who is dedicated exclusively to defending the area. In football a team can give up the ball, may give up possession and focus on defending the whole game and still can get positive results, because it is a sport with few score.

In football it isn't necessary be better to beat your opponent, eg Mourinho's Inter and even so you could win. In rugby you have to beat your opponent in almost every aspect of the game to win and that's something that can be seen by comparing the champions of each sport. Some great champions of rugby in the last years: Toulouse, Toulon, Chiefs, Reds, All Blacks and others, all of them are dominant teams, who impose their rhythm in most of their games.

Which rugby team is comparable to Greece 2004 or Italy 2006? Teams which only dedicated to defending and still they were champions. Football is very unfair, and that's something I don't like it.

If the game Netherlands-Costa Rica were a rugby match, Netherlands have won 5-0, but as is football, Netherlands may have lost on penalties. A team with 80% possession in a rugby match it's almost impossible to lose, while in a football match that is possible, in fact, happens often.

Conrad, in the other hand, that is what makes football a passionate sport...

Anyway, after everything that happens in this world cup, in the end of the day we have 4 major teams to the final matches...

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

This is one of the things I don't like about football. Today, Netherlands dominated to Costa Rica, they were much better, they had more possession and more shots on goal but still they could have lost the game. Football is a very unfair sport, the best doesn't always win. Examples? Italy in WC 2006, Greece in the UEFA Euro 2004.

In rugby it's impossible to happen because you have to defend 50 meters wide and there are also different ways to score points. While in football, you only have to worry about defending 7 meters wide and 2 meters high (football goal) and also have a player who is dedicated exclusively to defending the area. In football a team can give up the ball, may give up possession and focus on defending the whole game and still can get positive results, because it is a sport with few score.

In football it isn't necessary be better to beat your opponent, eg Mourinho's Inter and even so you could win. In rugby you have to beat your opponent in almost every aspect of the game to win and that's something that can be seen by comparing the champions of each sport. Some great champions of rugby in the last years: Toulouse, Toulon, Chiefs, Reds, All Blacks and others, all of them are dominant teams, who impose their rhythm in most of their games.

Which rugby team is comparable to Greece 2004 or Italy 2006? Teams which only dedicated to defending and still they were champions. Football is very unfair, and that's something I don't like it.

If the game Netherlands-Costa Rica were a rugby match, Netherlands have won 5-0, but as is football, Netherlands may have lost on penalties. A team with 80% possession in a rugby match it's almost impossible to lose, while in a football match that is possible, in fact, happens often.

Happened twice at the RWC 2011.

 

[Jaguares]

Happened twice at the RWC 2011.

If you are talking about: "Boks-Wallabies" match in the last WC isn't the same situation. Because both are Tier 1 teams and even Robbie Deans had a positive record against Boks as Wallabies head coach.

I'm talking about a match between a big team and a weak team. In rugby is impossible for the weak team can beat the strongest team without winning the opponent in almost every aspect of the game.

In football you can be dominated by the opposing team in all aspects of the game and still can draw without goals and win on penalties.

Examples? Argentina in WC 90 with Bilardo as coach. The sporting press of my country recognizes, that was one of the worst teams in history of Argentina's football. They lost to Cameroon, they were dominated by Brazil (but won by one goal), they beat on penalties to Yugoslavia and Italy. They reached the final and they could be world champions. That's something you don't see very often in rugby.

Conrad, in the other hand, that is what makes football a passionate sport...

I know, mate. There is a very famous quote: "Football is the most indecipherable sport, anyone can beat anyone".

Many people would like it that way, unfair. I disagree, I prefer a sport where the best always win, a fair sport. Although it's more predictable, I prefer that, are different views.

 

[edumerino]

Indeed.

 

[SelimNiai]

If you are talking about: "Boks-Wallabies" match in the last WC isn't the same situation. Because both are Tier 1 teams and even Robbie Deans had a positive record against Boks as Wallabies head coach.

I'm talking about a match between a big team and a weak team. In rugby is impossible for the weak team can beat the strongest team without winning the opponent in almost every aspect of the game.

In football you can be dominated by the opposing team in all aspects of the game and still can draw without goals and win on penalties.

Examples? Argentina in WC 90 with Bilardo as coach. The sporting press of my country recognizes, that was one of the worst teams in history of Argentina's football. They lost to Cameroon, they were dominated by Brazil (but won by one goal), they beat on penalties to Yugoslavia and Italy. They reached the final and they could be world champions. That's something you don't see very often in rugby.



I know, mate. There is a very famous quote: "Football is the most indecipherable sport, anyone can beat anyone".

Many people would like it that way, unfair. I disagree, I prefer a sport where the best always win, a fair sport. Although it's more predictable, I prefer that, are different views.

Twaddle.

So you call the unpredictability and underdog nature of sport a bad thing. The vast majority enjoyed Costa Rica, Chile etc beating teams who have "dominated" them.

I suppose on that basis you must have hated the Rocky films.

 

[edumerino]

I suppose on that basis you must have hated the Rocky films.

LOL good point!! HUE

 

[Superalexmarket]

R.I.P. Don Alfredo Distefano, one of the greatest football players ever.

 

[psychic duck]

I'm talking about a match between a big team and a weak team. In rugby is impossible for the weak team can beat the strongest team without winning the opponent in almost every aspect of the game.

 

[Jaguares]

Twaddle.

So you call the unpredictability and underdog nature of sport a bad thing. The vast majority enjoyed Costa Rica, Chile etc beating teams who have "dominated" them.

I suppose on that basis you must have hated the Rocky films.

I prefer just outcomes. For example in Rocky V, Rocky was better than his opponent, he deserved to win.

I said that is something that NEVER happened in rugby? Don't take everything so literal, I'm saying it's more common to see unfair champions in football than rugby. Tell me, Scotland was world champion after winning that game? At least, they won the 6N after that unjust victory? Because in football, Greece was European champion in 2004 and Italy won the World Cup in 2006, winning ALL their games like that Scotland's game of your example.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I prefer just outcomes. For example in Rocky V, Rocky was better than his opponent, he deserved to win.



I said that is something that NEVER happened in rugby? Don't take everything so literal, I'm saying it's more common to see unfair champions in football than rugby. Tell me, Scotland was world champion after winning that game? At least, they won the 6N after that unjust victory? Because in football, Greece was European champion in 2004 and Italy won the World Cup in 2006, winning ALL their games like that Scotland's game of your example.

So is it unjust if a team wins the World Cup, but lost a pool game? Like Spain did in 2010?

 

[psychic duck]

I said that is something that NEVER happened in rugby? Don't take everything so literal, I'm saying it's more common to see unfair champions in football than rugby. Tell me, Scotland was world champion after winning that game? At least, they won the 6N after that unjust victory? Because in football, Greece was European champion in 2004 and Italy won the World Cup in 2006, winning ALL their games like that Scotland's game of your example.

Well you said it was impossible, and if you want to talk about major tournaments what about France in 2011. A team in disarray, played poorly in the pool stages getting thrashed by the All Blacks and losing to Tonga, got an undeserved win over a choking 14 man Wales team and then played one of their best games to nearly beat the All Blacks. We very nearly had a World Champion who had lost to Italy and Tonga in the same year.

Your point about it being easier for inferior sides to cause upsets in football is correct as teams don't get points for pressure in football the way they would in rugby, but it's not impossible in rugby for upsets to happen when sides have a bad day or others play their best games.

 

[SelimNiai]

I prefer just outcomes. For example in Rocky V, Rocky was better than his opponent, he deserved to win.
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What about 1, 2, 3 and 4 then? Also technically 5 wasnt a film and more an abomination

 

[Feicarsinn]

Well you said it was impossible, and if you want to talk about major tournaments what about France in 2011. A team in disarray, played poorly in the pool stages getting thrashed by the All Blacks and losing to Tonga, got an undeserved win over a choking 14 man Wales team and then played one of their best games to nearly beat the All Blacks. We very nearly had a World Champion who had lost to Italy and Tonga in the same year.

Your point about it being easier for inferior sides to cause upsets in football is correct as teams don't get points for pressure in football the way they would in rugby, but it's not impossible in rugby for upsets to happen when sides have a bad day or others play their best games.

And that 2007 England side inexplicably stumbling to the final.