TRF's 2014 FIFA World Cup

[Draggs]

And that 2007 England side inexplicably stumbling to the final.

SA had a pretty easy ride too.

 

[Jaguares]

So is it unjust if a team wins the World Cup, but lost a pool game? Like Spain did in 2010?

Did you see Spain-Switzerland match in WC 2010?? That game is the perfect example. Spain dominated the entire game, Spain had thousands of shots on goal and Switzerland won inexplicably, if it was a rugby game, Spain had won 40-7 easily

Well you said it was impossible, and if you want to talk about major tournaments what about France in 2011. A team in disarray, played poorly in the pool stages getting thrashed by the All Blacks and losing to Tonga, got an undeserved win over a choking 14 man Wales team and then played one of their best games to nearly beat the All Blacks. We very nearly had a World Champion who had lost to Italy and Tonga in the same year.

Your point about it being easier for inferior sides to cause upsets in football is correct as teams don't get points for pressure in football the way they would in rugby, but it's not impossible in rugby for upsets to happen when sides have a bad day or others play their best games.

I can't believe it I have to explain about that. France is a Tier 1 team, they didn't play well in the first phase but they always had great players like: Dusautoir, Pascal Pape, Nicolas Mas, Morgan Parra, Maxime Mermoz, Vincent Clerc, Maxime Médard and others. They defeated France with full justice, the semifinal against Wales was the Warburton's fault, without that mistake, Wales should have won. But this isn't football, in the final match there was divine justice and the best team won the tournament. Greece was champion in 2004 and had not a Thierry Dusautoir in their team.

Can you show me others examples, please? But please, this time show me a team that won the tournament. Because I have THOUSANDS of examples of football teams that were champions without being dominant teams. For example: Italy world champion in FIFA WC 1982. There is a famous quote about WC 1982: "Brazil was the best team but Italy was the champion".

 

[Feicarsinn]

Yeah man, I agree. If there's one thing sports need to be it's predictable. Nothing gets me going like zero uncertainty.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Did you see Spain-Switzerland match in WC 2010?? That game is the perfect example. Spain dominated the entire game, Spain had thousands of shots on goal and Switzerland won inexplicably, if it was a rugby game, Spain had won 40-7 easily.

Yeah I watched it. So what? Spain might have dominated, except on the goal scoring front, oh and winning. Sooooo terribly unjust! Bull****!!

If it was a rugby game, Spain would've lost!! That's the basic simplicity of sport! You can dominate everywhere, but if you don't score, you can't win.

It's really not rocket science...

 

[Thingimubob]

Did you see Spain-Switzerland match in WC 2010?? That game is the perfect example. Spain dominated the entire game, Spain had thousands of shots on goal and Switzerland won inexplicably, if it was a rugby game, Spain had won 40-7 easily



I can't believe it I have to explain about that. France is a Tier 1 team, they didn't play well in the first phase but they always had great players like: Dusautoir, Pascal Pape, Nicolas Mas, Morgan Parra, Maxime Mermoz, Vincent Clerc, Maxime Médard and others. They defeated France with full justice, the semifinal against Wales was the Warburton's fault, without that mistake, Wales should have won. But this isn't football, in the final match there was divine justice and the best team won the tournament. Greece was champion in 2004 and had not a Thierry Dusautoir in their team.

Can you show me others examples, please? But please, this time show me a team that won the tournament. Because I have THOUSANDS of examples of football teams that were champions without being dominant teams. For example: Italy world champion in FIFA WC 1982. There is a famous quote about WC 1982: "Brazil was the best team but Italy was the champion".

Gotta correct you on the Wales - France semi. Yes Warburton's sending off played a huge role in us losing that game, but even a man down we were still the better team. Dodgy goal kicking was what truly cost us, think we missed something daft like 14 points in kicks? As good as all those French individuals that you've mentioned, doesn't cover up how poor they were before the final. The fact that they couldn't even put a single try past a 14 man Welsh team, when really and truly they should have hammered us (see Wales vs Scotland this year) shows that the better performing team does not always win.

 

[Jaguares]

This is very different when you're not involved. It's the same in rugby, if you are a Munster supporter watching a Super Rugby game between Crusaders and Blues and Crusaders must choose between posts or touch, like a spectator you want Crusaders to choose the touch. But if you are a Crusaders supporter or even, if you are a Crusaders player, you are going to want to choose the posts.

It's nice to win without merit, a famous quote in football: "The sustained victories hurt more." Yeah, of course. But if you're a victim of it, believe me that's the most painful thing exists. I as a player and as a supporter of a team, I'd rather be beaten by a team that is better than mine and don't be defeated by a team with a lot of luck. Now if it's a irrelevant game to me, between Iran and Morocco, obviously I don't care if could win the weak team

Gotta correct you on the Wales - France semi. Yes Warburton's sending off played a huge role in us losing that game, but even a man down we were still the better team. Dodgy goal kicking was what truly cost us, think we missed something daft like 14 points in kicks? As good as all those French individuals that you've mentioned, doesn't cover up how poor they were before the final. The fact that they couldn't even put a single try past a 14 man Welsh team, when really and truly they should have hammered us (see Wales vs Scotland this year) shows that the better performing team does not always win.

Yes, Wales even with 14 players were better than them. So I say that if Warburton had not made ​​that mistake, you would have won that game, no doubt. I remember it well because I was supporting you in that game.

Yeah I watched it. So what? Spain might have dominated, except on the goal scoring front, oh and winning. Sooooo terribly unjust! Bull****!!

If it was a rugby game, Spain would've lost!! That's the basic simplicity of sport! You can dominate everywhere, but if you don't score, you can't win.

It's really not rocket science...

Don't say stupid things, if that was a game of rugby, Spain would have won easily 40-7. Have you ever played football? Football and rugby are very different sports. In rugby you have to defend 50 meters wide, and there are different ways to score, not even necessary to reach the opposite ingoal to score points. In football there is only one way of scoring, if your opposite goalkeeper played his best game, you can't score any goal in a game.

Do you really think that if Boks dominates for 70 minutes to Namibia in their own field, they couldn't score any point and then in the last minute Namibia, N-A-M-I-B-I-A could make a try and win the game 7-0?? Do you really think that? That was what happened between Spain and Switzerland in 2010, and that is very difficult to happen in rugby. I don't use the word: 'Impossible' because Duck doesn't like that word.

 

[TRF_heineken]

This is very different when you're not involved. It's the same in rugby, if you are a Munster supporter watching a Super Rugby game between Crusaders and Blues and Crusaders must choose between posts or touch, like a spectator you want Crusaders to choose the touch. But if you are a Crusaders supporter or even, if you are a Crusaders player, you are going to want to choose the posts.

It's nice to win without merit, a famous quote in football: "The sustained victories hurt more." Yeah, of course. But if you're a victim of it, believe me that's the most painful thing exists. I as a player and as a supporter of a team, I'd rather be beaten by a team that is better than mine and don't be defeated by a team with a lot of luck. Now if it's a irrelevant game to me, between Iran and Morocco, obviously I don't care if could win the weak team



Yes, Wales even with 14 players were better than them. So I say that if Warburton had not made ​​that mistake, you would have won that game, no doubt. I remember it well because I was supporting you in that game.



Don't say stupid things, if that was a game of rugby, Spain would have won easily 40-7. Have you ever played football? Football and rugby are very different sports. In rugby you have to defend 50 meters wide, and there are different ways to score, not even necessary to reach the opposite ingoal to score points. In football there is only one way of scoring, if your opposite goalkeeper played his best game, you can't score any goal in a game.

Do you really think that if Boks dominates for 70 minutes to Namibia in their own field, they couldn't score any point and then in the last minute Namibia, N-A-M-I-B-I-A could make a try and win the game 7-0?? Do you really think that? That was what happened between Spain and Switzerland in 2010, and that is very difficult to happen in rugby. I don't use the word: 'Impossible' because Duck doesn't like that word.

That is indeed possible! I'm not saying stupid things, you are. You are so far up your own ass that you even fail to realise that you have basically alienated yourself from everyone on this forum.

Possession and territory means nothing if you can't convert it into points.

 

[edumerino]

That is indeed possible! I'm not saying stupid things, you are. You are so far up your own ass that you even fail to realise that you have basically alienated yourself from everyone on this forum.

Possession and territory means nothing if you can't convert it into points.

I think there´s a big chance for us to see it happening later... Germany will have possession and territory, but I think Brazil is going to win somehow

 

[TRF_heineken]

I think there´s a big chance for us to see it happening later... Germany will have possession and territory, but I think Brazil is going to win somehow

Careful. Conrad will say you are saying stupid things too...

 

[Jaguares]

That is indeed possible! I'm not saying stupid things, you are. You are so far up your own ass that you even fail to realise that you have basically alienated yourself from everyone on this forum.

Possession and territory means nothing if you can't convert it into points.

Yes, that's very possible. Springboks playing with the ball for 79 minutes in the Namibia's territory, in their last 22 meters, Morne Steyn or Handre Pollard failing every kick, just 20 meters from their posts. In addition, they couldn't convert any of the possibilities to drop goals (Remember, they are just 20 meters from the Namibia's posts). Also, Bryan Habana, Jan Serfontein, Willie le Roux, Francois Louw and Duane Vermeulen couldn't enter the Namibia's ingoal for 79 minutes from just 20 meters of there, yeah, that's very possible.

Wait, guys. Here comes the best part of the Heineken's movie. In the last move, Namibia makes a try 90 meters, yeah N-A-M-I-B-I-A, and the outcome of the game is as follows: Boks 0 - Namibia 7. Yeah, that's very possible. It's something that happens very often in rugby.

How many times Namibia beat SA, AUS or NZ with that Magical formula? Thousands of times! Every year! That's very possible. :lol:

I think there´s a big chance for us to see it happening later... Germany will have possession and territory, but I think Brazil is going to win somehow

Yeah, I think like you, the only way Brazil can beat Germany is like you said. The Heineken's problem is he still can't understand that that's exactly what I'm saying. In football you can win that way, is very common. And in rugby it's very difficult, uncommon. But it's ok, he has serious problems of interpretation. Moreover, just to contradict me, Heineken would say that Justin Bieber is the best singer in history and Michael Jackson was Japanese, Heineken is very funny.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Yes, that's very possible. Springboks playing with the ball for 79 minutes in the Namibia's territory, in their last 22 meters, Morne Steyn or Handre Pollard failing every kick, just 20 meters from their posts. In addition, they couldn't convert any of the possibilities to drop goals (Remember, they are just 20 meters from the Namibia's posts). Also, Bryan Habana, Jan Serfontein, Willie le Roux, Francois Louw and Duane Vermeulen couldn't enter the Namibia's ingoal for 79 minutes from just 20 meters of there, yeah, that's very possible.

Wait, guys. Here comes the best part of the Heineken's movie. In the last move, Namibia makes a try 90 meters, yeah N-A-M-I-B-I-A, and the outcome of the game is as follows: Boks 0 - Namibia 7. Yeah, that's very possible. It's something that happens very often in rugby.

How many times Namibia beat SA, AUS or NZ with that magic formula? Thousands of times! Every year! That's very possible. :lol:

ooh... a challenge...

Let's say the game was played in Cape Town. Wind howling, Raining cat's and dogs, weather nearly as awful as a couple of years ago between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders in the Super Rugby Final. kicker's can't kick at goal, as the wind is howling so bad, the ball can't travel 10 m and the kickers keeps on slipping.

The boks gets a 5m scrum and they want to spread the ball to score in the corner and then Crysander Botha intercepts the ball and runs the length of the pitch and scores under posts, just like Frank Halai did this past weekend for the Blues...

 

[Jaguares]

ooh... a challenge...

Let's say the game was played in Cape Town. Wind howling, Raining cat's and dogs, weather nearly as awful as a couple of years ago between the Hurricanes and the Crusaders in the Super Rugby Final. kicker's can't kick at goal, as the wind is howling so bad, the ball can't travel 10 m and the kickers keeps on slipping.

The boks gets a 5m scrum and they want to spread the ball to score in the corner and then Crysander Botha intercepts the ball and runs the length of the pitch and scores under posts, just like Frank Halai did this past weekend for the Blues...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are very very smart, I'm talking between a weak team (Namibia) and a strong team (Boks) and you put an example between two strong teams (Saders and Blues). That makes sense, of course! Namibia has players like Nonu, Piutau, Halai, Kaino, Luatua, Tuipulotu or Mealamu on their national rugby team, of course! And I didn't know about it. Sorry for my lack of information about Namibia

 

[TRF_heineken]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are very very smart, I'm talking between a weak team (Namibia) and a strong team (Boks) and you put an example between two strong teams (Saders and Blues). That makes sense, of course! Namibia has players like Nonu, Piutau, Halai, Kaino, Luatua, Tuipulotu or Mealamu on their national rugby team, of course! And I didn't know about it. Sorry for my lack of information about Namibia

No, I mentioned teams in which this scenario, or part thereof, has reference.

It's not about strong or weak. But then again you get games where strong teams battle and one team smashes the other team too... Like the Holland Vs Spain game for football, and Australia vs France in rugby.

My point is that you said impossible, and I went and made it probable, maybe even highly likely.

Anyway, I'm done with your derailments.

My team is up against the hosts tonight. May the Reich be forever in their favour!!

 

[Jaguares]

No, I mentioned teams in which this scenario, or part thereof, has reference.

It's not about strong or weak. But then again you get games where strong teams battle and one team smashes the other team too... Like the Holland Vs Spain game for football, and Australia vs France in rugby.

My point is that you said impossible, and I went and made it probable, maybe even highly likely.

Anyway, I'm done with your derailments.

My team is up against the hosts tonight. May the Reich be forever in their favour!!

If I'm talking on the football, a weak team can beat a stronger team with very very luck. I hope that your example is between a weak rugby team and a strong rugby team. You don't have THAT example because in rugby is rare that this happens.

And the wiiiiiiiinneeeeeeer... byyyyy... knockouuuuuuuuut... iiiiiiiiiiisssssss..... Conrad Smith!!!!!!!

 

[Big Ewis]

It's really not rocket science...

not many things are as the science of the rockets...

And I disagree with everything that's been said about the France Wales semi-final. Wales still benefited from playing with 14 men. Had they played with 13 men in stead, we likely would have won by an even larger margin of points, I would estimate something like by 6 more points. France were just way too mighty on that night and heroically edged it. Wales really had no chance. All this talk of 'what if' and romantic nostalgia is utter rubbish and just pathetic. Get over it, France were so superior they even had more men on the pitch. Plus, their captain, Samantha Warburton, they clearly picked out of a village, shaved his beard to make him look somewhat from this modern age and threw onto the pitch, his tackling technique was clearly awful. And they couldn't make a kick the whole match, and everybody knows feet are the most important thing in Rugby. You've got to kick the ball, not attempt to kill people. And that's what, in my opinion, separated France from Wales during that semi-final.

 

[TRF_heineken]

If I'm talking on the football, a weak team can beat a stronger team with very very luck. I hope that your example is between a weak rugby team and a strong rugby team. You don't have THAT example because in rugby is rare that this happens.!

So basically you are saying that this can happen.

Your words here are "in rugby is rare that this happens".

So not impossible like you said...

 

[psychic duck]

So basically you are saying that this can happen.

Your words here are "in rugby is rare that this happens".

So not impossible like you said...

He's talking BS (as per usual). There are dozens of lucky victories in rugby, especially with the performance of the ref having a big say in games, opposition missing kicks or conceding flukey tries.

 

[Jaguares]

So basically you are saying that this can happen.

Your words here are "in rugby is rare that this happens".

So not impossible like you said...

This argument is too ridiculous. You have been overcome in the discussion, so now trying to turn the discussion about the words 'impossible' and 'rarely happens'. As you said, this isn't an rocket science. So the use of the word 'impossible' or 'rarely happens' has the same meaning. The point is that it's something that happens more easily in football than rugby, is common in football and is rare in rugby. So I still have reason and yet I hope your examples.

Now if you want to turn this into a discussion about: 'Hey, you first said that it's impossible. Now you say it rarely happens, you're changing your speech'. Go ahead, we all know that for the point I'm expounding, both words have the same meaning. You've lost the discussion, but if it makes you happy. You can say I'm wrong because first I said impossible and then I said rarely, that's a very clever argument.

He's talking BS (as per usual). There are dozens of lucky victories in rugby, especially with the performance of the ref having a big say in games, opposition missing kicks or conceding flukey tries.

Yeah, There are many examples of very weak teams like Namibia or Uruguay, which beat a Tier 1 team and then won a championship such as: Italy 1982, Greece 2004, Italy 2006, Velez Sarfield (Copa Libertadores 94), Once Caldas (Copa Libertadores 2004), Argentinos Juniors (Copa Libertadores 1985) and others.

@edumerino; you know about Copa Libertadores and Velez Sarfield, Once Calda and others

Samantha Warburton, they clearly picked out of a village, shaved his beard to make him look somewhat from this modern age and threw onto the pitch, his tackling technique was clearly awful.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

This argument is too ridiculous. You have been overcome in the discussion, so now trying to turn the discussion about the words 'impossible' and 'rarely happens'. As you said, this isn't an rocket science. So the use of the word 'impossible' or 'rarely happens' has the same meaning. The point is that it's something that happens more easily in football than rugby, is common in football and is rare in rugby. So I still have reason and yet I hope your examples.

Now if you want to turn this into a discussion about: 'Hey, you first said that it's impossible. Now you say it rarely happens, you're changing your speech'. Go ahead, we all know that for the point I'm expounding, both words have the same meaning. You've lost the discussion, but if it makes you happy. You can say I'm wrong because first I said impossible and then I said rarely, that's a very clever argument.

No, they completely on all levels do not have the same meaning. I think this could have ended quicker if Conrad knew the difference between 'impossible' and 'improbable'.

 

[Thingimubob]

This argument is too ridiculous. You have been overcome in the discussion, so now trying to turn the discussion about the words 'impossible' and 'rarely happens'. As you said, this isn't an rocket science. So the use of the word 'impossible' or 'rarely happens' has the same meaning. The point is that it's something that happens more easily in football than rugby, is common in football and is rare in rugby. So I still have reason and yet I hope your examples.

Now if you want to turn this into a discussion about: 'Hey, you first said that it's impossible. Now you say it rarely happens, you're changing your speech'. Go ahead, we all know that for the point I'm expounding, both words have the same meaning. You've lost the discussion, but if it makes you happy. You can say I'm wrong because first I said impossible and then I said rarely, that's a very clever argument.



Yeah, There are many examples of very weak teams like Namibia or Uruguay, which beat a Tier 1 team and then won a championship such as: Italy 1982, Greece 2004, Italy 2006, Velez Sarfield (Copa Libertadores 94), Once Caldas (Copa Libertadores 2004), Argentinos Juniors (Copa Libertadores 1985) and others.

@edumerino; you know about Copa Libertadores and Velez Sarfield, Once Calda and others



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Right, you keep bringing up teams in rugby like Namibia, who usually go into a WC as the lowest ranked team, then try to compare them to this or that football team, most of which are much higher up their respective sport's ladder than the Namibians are in rugby. For example, you brought up that Switzerland 1 - 0 Spain match, Switzerland are actually not a bad team at all! I believe they were in the top 10 going in to this year WC, and were definitely in the top 20 going into the 2010 one. Hardly the same as Namibia being able to beat the Boks.

Also stop bashing Italy's 2006 win I'm still celebrating that one! Italy might not have been the flashiest team in the tournament, but they were very consistent and had a very organized defence. Probably should've won the final in 90 mins if it wasn't for Henry being a diving little sod whenever he got into the box...

Greece in 2004 is a fond memory of mine as I love a good underdog story. Very true in saying that they weren't the best team in attack, but they had a ridiculously organised team. It seemed like they all knew what their roles were, and it meant that they were very hard to break down. Add that to them being clinical when they needed to be, and we saw them topple Portugal (twice), France, Czech Republic (who had a pretty damn useful team back then) plus a draw with Spain. Deserved winners if you ask me.