Transfers rumours

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

As Rats said 9 isn't your problem really Groom was a pretty solid Super rugby 9 and certainly capable at AP which he showed when he first arrived for you.

TBH your problem is Mallinder and West really, I can't see either being a big draw for a International SH back like Lambie.

Has Saints hired a backs coach yet?

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You'd think they'd get a decent 10 for that

And I thought 450K for Ford was a decent chunk of money.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Max Deegan to Connacht
Dan Leavy to Munster seem very realistic now.
Also Noel Reid to Connacht is doing rounds

Could see Max Deegan going to Connacht alright. With Jamie Heaslip signing on for another 2 years and Jack Conan making huge strides, there isn't an opening at 8. At Connacht he'd get the game time his talent deserves. He's potentially a future international.

 

[munstermuffin]

Could see Max Deegan going to Connacht alright. With Jamie Heaslip signing on for another 2 years and Jack Conan making huge strides, there isn't an opening at 8. At Connacht he'd get the game time his talent deserves. He's potentially a future international.

No doubt in 2 years time he will return when Heaslip bows out

 

[Groundhog]

Deegan to Connacht is perfect. They'll need a replacement for Muldoon very soon and he could do a year's apprenticeship and walk into the team if he's as talented as seems.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Josh Strauss being announced in the morning by Sale, apparently

 

[munstermuffin]

Josh Strauss being announced in the morning by Sale, apparently

Yeah and Clegg to Ealing

 

[Jockstap]

Don't want or can't afford? He'd be their best 10, unless Boshoff comes really good, and easily their best centre option to pair with Bundee. Connacht aren't good enough to turn their noses at a player like Madigan if they can fit him on their books.

He's fast, a good pass, can break the line, but he's a terrible fly half. He constantly makes bad decisions and has no control over a game and the minute a tiny bit of pressure arises he ****s the bed. He had one OK game at the World Cup against a **** French team. That's pretty much it. Joe Schmidt liked him because he was versatile and could cover the entire backline, fair enough, but to have him as first choice fly half, no thanks. Leinster did a great bit of business selling him to Bordeaux, they realised their mistake too late.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Josh Strauss being announced in the morning by Sale, apparently

Good signing.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

He's fast, a good pass, can break the line, but he's a terrible fly half. He constantly makes bad decisions and has no control over a game and the minute a tiny bit of pressure arises he ****s the bed. He had one OK game at the World Cup against a **** French team. That's pretty much it. Joe Schmidt liked him because he was versatile and could cover the entire backline, fair enough, but to have him as first choice fly half, no thanks. Leinster did a great bit of business selling him to Bordeaux, they realised their mistake too late.

That's bull****, he is a European standard 10, Connacht are playing Carty and saying Madigan doesn't fit? Unless Boshoff is better than his career thus far and injury profile suggests they'd be way better off with Madigan, its a guy with 30 caps, big game experience and a metronome of a boot. Even if you didn't want him at 10 consistently he'd be a better 12 than Ronaldson, don't pay him half a mil but Connacht aren't good enough to be turning their noses as a guy who can play well in Europe and dominate the Pro 12 like Madigan has if they could afford him.

Madigan is a player that really frustrates me as a Leinster fan, himself, Luke McGrath, Noel Reid and Darren Hudson all could have had good Leinster careers if they weren't consistently picked behind the old and often bad players ahead of them during the MO'C years (Only McGrath made it really, Reid and Mads played some really good stuff when given the chance at 10 and 12 but it was never often enough). Thank God he never got hold of the likes Of RO'L, Ringrose, Leavy etc.

 

[munstermuffin]

That's bull****, he is a European standard 10, Connacht are playing Carty and saying Madigan doesn't fit? Unless Boshoff is better than his career thus far and injury profile suggests they'd be way better off with Madigan, its a guy with 30 caps, big game experience and a metronome of a boot. Even if you didn't want him at 10 consistently he'd be a better 12 than Ronaldson, don't pay him half a mil but Connacht aren't good enough to be turning their noses as a guy who can play well in Europe and dominate the Pro 12 like Madigan has if they could afford him.

Madigan is a player that really frustrates me as a Leinster fan, himself, Luke McGrath, Noel Reid and Darren Hudson all could have had good Leinster careers if they weren't consistently picked behind the old and often bad players ahead of them during the MO'C years (Only McGrath made it really, Reid and Mads played some really good stuff when given the chance at 10 and 12 but it was never often enough). Thank God he never got hold of the likes Of RO'L, Ringrose, Leavy etc.

Thing is Alpha. And I've this 100% on fact. Connacht got a call asking will they be interested in him and Keane was consulted on it, Lam gave input and even Eric Elwood was consulted and they all came back saying don't pursue. That's fact. Now regardless of what we think. I'm of belief he'd have suited Connacht but I think he hasn't the tactical kicking game or vision of a top 10. Connacht have tirned their nose on him. And I think now you have a guy who left and simply it blew up.
Leinster uncovered in my eyes 2 better 10s.
Munster all of a sudden have a top 10 who would be ahead of him when IQ. Add in JJ may return and push.
Ulsters Jackson has pushed on.
So by next January he is at best behind 7 guys at least. Add in Carty then.

And that's a lot differeny from when he left and there was only really himself and PJ battling for 22 shirt.

As for Leavy, we will look after him

 

[Jockstap]

That's bull****, he is a European standard 10, Connacht are playing Carty and saying Madigan doesn't fit? Unless Boshoff is better than his career thus far and injury profile suggests they'd be way better off with Madigan, its a guy with 30 caps, big game experience and a metronome of a boot. Even if you didn't want him at 10 consistently he'd be a better 12 than Ronaldson, don't pay him half a mil but Connacht aren't good enough to be turning their noses as a guy who can play well in Europe and dominate the Pro 12 like Madigan has if they could afford him.

Madigan is a player that really frustrates me as a Leinster fan, himself, Luke McGrath, Noel Reid and Darren Hudson all could have had good Leinster careers if they weren't consistently picked behind the old and often bad players ahead of them during the MO'C years (Only McGrath made it really, Reid and Mads played some really good stuff when given the chance at 10 and 12 but it was never often enough). Thank God he never got hold of the likes Of RO'L, Ringrose, Leavy etc.

Madigan had a full season to prove himself good enough in Sextons absense and he couldn't. He then moved to a new team as there starting 10 and was benched when they found out their mistake. He is absolutely rubbish as a fly half. He could make an OK inside centre, that's about it.

 

[big ginger 8]

That's bull****, he is a European standard 10, Connacht are playing Carty and saying Madigan doesn't fit? Unless Boshoff is better than his career thus far and injury profile suggests they'd be way better off with Madigan, its a guy with 30 caps, big game experience and a metronome of a boot. Even if you didn't want him at 10 consistently he'd be a better 12 than Ronaldson, don't pay him half a mil but Connacht aren't good enough to be turning their noses as a guy who can play well in Europe and dominate the Pro 12 like Madigan has if they could afford him.

Madigan is a player that really frustrates me as a Leinster fan, himself, Luke McGrath, Noel Reid and Darren Hudson all could have had good Leinster careers if they weren't consistently picked behind the old and often bad players ahead of them during the MO'C years (Only McGrath made it really, Reid and Mads played some really good stuff when given the chance at 10 and 12 but it was never often enough). Thank God he never got hold of the likes Of RO'L, Ringrose, Leavy etc.

MO'C gave Leavy his debut aged 20 .

Also look at my sig.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Thing is Alpha. And I've this 100% on fact. Connacht got a call asking will they be interested in him and Keane was consulted on it, Lam gave input and even Eric Elwood was consulted and they all came back saying don't pursue. That's fact. Now regardless of what we think. I'm of belief he'd have suited Connacht but I think he hasn't the tactical kicking game or vision of a top 10. Connacht have tirned their nose on him. And I think now you have a guy who left and simply it blew up.
Leinster uncovered in my eyes 2 better 10s.
Munster all of a sudden have a top 10 who would be ahead of him when IQ. Add in JJ may return and push.
Ulsters Jackson has pushed on.
So by next January he is at best behind 7 guys at least. Add in Carty then.

And that's a lot differeny from when he left and there was only really himself and PJ battling for 22 shirt

He's behind because he's not here, he'd still be second choice at Leinster, his weaknesses are similar to Carbery's minus place kicking but he's a much more physical guy and a better passer at 10, Byrne lacks consistency in big games quite obviously but they're both young guys who have the ability to be better in a matter of months. he would in my opinion start for Connacht and be second choice at Ulster and Munster too. Not pursuing him doesn't mean they don't want him, he's not good enough for the IRFU to pony up a lot of cash to Connacht and probably isn't affordable in the west. If he was in the country now he'd be third choice still. He'll go to Saints and succeed if he gets to play in a settled team, the only chances he's had to do that were a couple of Schmidt's Leinster sides and UBB prior to his injury where he did well, way too much chopping and changing going on there and it shows in their results. Mallinder isn't inspiring though.

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Madigan had a full season to prove himself good enough in Sextons absense and he couldn't. He then moved to a new team as there starting 10 and was benched when they found out their mistake. He is absolutely rubbish as a fly half. He could make an OK inside centre, that's about it.

Absolutelty rubbish is ridiculous, who are you comparing him to? Dan Carter? Look at the success the guy has had, he's played well and won big games in the pro12, HEC and the RWC. He's not an international starter by any means, he's not going to make a bad team good but he's been in **** set ups for four years now, the four years that should have been his most formative and would offer every team in Europe something as a very high level squad player starting for most outside of Ireland. UBB is a toxic place right now and he's the one who made a mistake going, England was always a better shout. Would you genuinely take Carty ahead of him? If so we're not going to see anything close to eye to eye on this matter.

 

[munstermuffin]

He's behind because he's not here, he'd still be second choice at Leinster, his weaknesses are similar to Carbery's minus place kicking but he's a much more physical guy and a better passer at 10, Byrne lacks consistency in big games quite obviously but they're both young guys who have the ability to be better in a matter of months. he would in my opinion start for Connacht and be second choice at Ulster and Munster too. Not pursuing him doesn't mean they don't want him, he's not good enough for the IRFU to pony up a lot of cash to Connacht and probably isn't affordable in the west. If he was in the country now he'd be third choice still. He'll go to Saints and succeed if he gets to play in a settled team, the only chances he's had to do that were a couple of Schmidt's Leinster sides and UBB prior to his injury where he did well, way too much chopping and changing going on there and it shows in their results. Mallinder isn't inspiring though.

Yes my point is though he left thinking there was no competition. If he returned. He'd be behind Tyler whein IQ and Carbery as well as 2 on duty.
The IRFU offered to back it. Cash was not an issue and Madigan wanted to come back. Connacht flat out said no to that is the fact of it.
Like we will disagree here but I think if he returned. By next Jan he would be 5th choice at best. He hasn't a kicking game and you mentioned similarities with Joey. But he has a kicking game much better than Madigan and the running game.

And I would argue it's a gamble as if he doesn't succeed at Saints he will be seen as a journey man 10 who hasn't been a starter at any club regardless of reason. I do agree though he'd ne a starter in my eyes at Connacht.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

MO'C gave Leavy his debut aged 20 .

Also look at my sig.

Your grá for Leinster's worst coach since Kidney always confused me! The guy gave Gary Ella a run for his money in incompetence, he's failed every he's been.

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Yes my point is though he left thinking there was no competition. If he returned. He'd be behind Tyler whein IQ and Carbery as well as 2 on duty.
The IRFU offered to back it. Cash was not an issue and Madigan wanted to come back. Connacht flat out said nonthat is the fact of it.
Like we will disagree here but I think if he returned. By next Jan he would be 5th choice at best. He hasn't a kicking game and you mentioned similarities with Joey. But he has a kicking game much better than Madigan and the running game.

Outside of Castres and 20 mins in Chicago I haven't seen much in the way of kicking from Carbery, he'll be better than Madigan whether it be at 10, 12 or 15 but isn't right now for a long campaign. With Sexton and Jackson already in the squad we'd likely see Carbery or Madigan next due to versatility being Schmidt's thing! Unless Connacht have a huge signing in the works they've messed up then in my opinion.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Josh Strauss being announced in the morning by Sale, apparently

Beaumont shouldn't of rejected Tigers.

 

[corny]

Never liked Matt O'Connor but he gave Madigan a fair crack at nailing down the 10 spot. He just wasn't good enough.

Hope it works out for him at Northampton but seeing Myler (assuming he'll still be at the club) starting ahead of him next year wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world to me.

 

[BPM]

Beaumont shouldn't of rejected Tigers.

I'm not sure it's the worst thing for Beaumont. It kind of depends on whether Sale see Strauss as a 6 or an 8.

If it's the former it adds another carrier to the pack which takes the pressure of Beaumont at 8. Alternatively if Strauss is at 8, it pushes Beaumont in to the 2nd row which is where Eddie seems to see him anyway.

 

[munstermuffin]

Your grá for Leinster's worst coach since Kidney always confused me! The guy gave Gary Ella a run for his money in incompetence, he's failed every he's been.

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Outside of Castres and 20 mins in Chicago I haven't seen much in the way of kicking from Carbery, he'll be better than Madigan whether it be at 10, 12 or 15 but isn't right now for a long campaign. With Sexton and Jackson already in the squad we'd likely see Carbery or Madigan next due to versatility being Schmidt's thing! Unless Connacht have a huge signing in the works they've messed up then in my opinion.

Probably not as clear cut but Carbery does have it. Add in he still has time on his side and is I think a better option. Like for your 2nd and 3rd choices I think Leinster were right regards Carberry and Byrne.

Your seeing it now as Madigans versatility and I agree in that role I'd have him at Munster and he'd get game time. Issue is he wants to be a 10 and a 10 solely it seems. But I don't think he's a top 10. But agree he's better than Connachts options.
But surely you'd agree in Ireland he is behind Sexton Jackson Tyler (when IQ) and Carberry at least.
But just saying Connacht shot down the opportunity blank.

I think biggest issue is Madigan wants to be a 10. His best role is at 12 or 15 or coming on a 10nwhen game is loosened out. He's a top running rugby guy. Just hasn't the vision or tactical nous to be top 10 and that links back to his kicking

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Matt O'Connor --> Leicester Tigers

FFS.

I'm not sure it's the worst thing for Beaumont. It kind of depends on whether Sale see Strauss as a 6 or an 8.

If it's the former it adds another carrier to the pack which takes the pressure of Beaumont at 8. Alternatively if Strauss is at 8, it pushes Beaumont in to the 2nd row which is where Eddie seems to see him anyway.

Beaumont is not a second row for me and I don't get why people think he could be good there, he was playing some great rugby before this season at 8.

Is Strauss a 6?