Transfers rumours

[Leonormous Boozer]

Thing was. 1. He covered a player and when player was fit he was still started.
Arnold hasn't been blocked as he's been injured. Scannell has benefited if anything. And we are light on wings and Leinster still went over their NIQ quota.
Saili and Taute play same position in our strongest team. Very unlikely both would play and he covers across 11-15. It was allowed as Leinster got help at that time when needed. Ulster got it by Ludik being excluded from NIQ quota and we got it as we light in backs.
Issue with Ulster is more Ruan has been their all these years and take him out of 9 and they literally have nobody. Like where is the development if there is nobody coming through.
As I said Taute has impacted on Scannell hugely in centre. Arnold and Bohane too. But they need to stay injury free to really show benefits. Like is Paul Marshall really all they seem to rate after all Ruan's help.
Like Isa Nacewa I'm guessing impacts alot of guys like Daly Byrne etc. That's what I think is vital from an NIQ

We have Paddy Jackson because of Pienaar. We have Marshall, Olding, McCloskey and Gilroy because Ulster have/had good halfbacks. Pienaar has provided more to than Taute ever could, one's world class the other is not.

Ulster got ****ed over with Pienaar, Munster got it easy with Taute, to deny that is crazy. I don't begrudge it whatsoever, I think Leinster are the strongest province with their NIQ guys getting the least amount of playing time in big matches.

 

[Peat]

Well that'd be an absolute mockery of the IRFU's recruitment policy. (Not that it applies to ye lads ) Ludik, Piatau and potentially Isa (hopefully) and Kirchner (hopefully not) all play at 15 in this country and Zebo is the future of the position. Get yourselves a tighthead, we'll take a decent 13 to back up Garry if no one minds!

The IRFU recruitment policy is a very mockable thing though.

And ideally we'd be playing Piutau on the wing but apparently not for some weird reason...

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

But yes Archer had bad night last night but to be fair weather was awful and Buckley is a good player. But I'd say Ryan had massive game and Munster scrum was well on top Monday. We pushed Leinster pack back and won 2 against head too.

John Ryan is a very good tighthead but I'd agree with The Alpha Bro that another 3 is needed. The option behind Ryan isn't good enough.

Pure speculation but I'd be surprised if Munster aren't in the market for a new backup tighthead. John Andress was brought in for that role and didn't work out. A Mike Ross type player would be ideal.

 

[Groundhog]

John Ryan is a very good tighthead but I'd agree with The Alpha Bro that another 3 is needed. The option behind Ryan isn't good enough.

Pure speculation but I'd be surprised if Munster aren't in the market for a new backup tighthead. John Andress was brought in for that role and didn't work out. A Mike Ross type player would be ideal.

Yeah I agree it's unrealistic to think any tighthead can play 80 minutes week in week out, so we need at least a Pro 12 backup which Archer is not. They're a rare commodity though. Really would have been a good idea to keep Ben Betts and train him up to the standard. We were supposed to be signing Oli Kebble from Stormers who is a big boy and I believe can play both sides, but I don't know what came of that. Very hard to keep track of all our transfer rumors this year.
Big up to Ryan though for appearing twice the player I or I think anyone else thought he could be. He's very fit for a TH and like Furlong (different standard obviously) is a rare Tighthead that actually has a very good carrying game.

 

[munstermuffin]

John Ryan is a very good tighthead but I'd agree with The Alpha Bro that another 3 is needed. The option behind Ryan isn't good enough.

Pure speculation but I'd be surprised if Munster aren't in the market for a new backup tighthead. John Andress was brought in for that role and didn't work out. A Mike Ross type player would be ideal.

Oh there is a THP nearly on dotted line and that was before Andress went but again he won't be a real starting guy.

Regards Alpha comment about Pienaar bringing through PJ and the rest. I 100% agree but they still have no 9.
Munster kept Taute as we've been hurt with injuries. I'd disagree we got it easy as we have been hurt with injuries and since its unlikely him and Saili will play at same time there isnt really evidence of us getting it easy. He has been vital in helping others but equally he covers across board where we are hit badly with injuries.
Can I ask how it ****s Ulster over?

 

[Peat]

Oh there is a THP nearly on dotted line and that was before Andress went but again he won't be a real starting guy.

Regards Alpha comment about Pienaar bringing through PJ and the rest. I 100% agree but they still have no 9.
Munster kept Taute as we've been hurt with injuries. I'd disagree we got it easy as we have been hurt with injuries and since its unlikely him and Saili will play at same time there isnt really evidence of us getting it easy. He has been vital in helping others but equally he covers across board where we are hit badly with injuries.
Can I ask how it ****s Ulster over?

Taute's presence is nothing to Ulster. TAB's comment is more comparing and contrasting with Ulster's treatment.

Might be a bit apples and oranges with Pienaar. Its very apples and apples with Ulster being denied an injury replacement for Coetzee though.

 

[munstermuffin]

Taute's presence is nothing to Ulster. TAB's comment is more comparing and contrasting with Ulster's treatment.

Might be a bit apples and oranges with Pienaar. Its very apples and apples with Ulster being denied an injury replacement for Coetzee though.

But was that more due to they already got dispensation over Ludik.
For what it is worth. I do think it's vital Ulster do get a top 9 as all the other pieces aren't half as good if they don't.

 

[saintmaster]

Harry Thacker - Worcester

Brilliant signing for the warriors if true

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Harry Thacker - Worcester

Brilliant signing for the warriors if true

Not sure, they would need to massively invest in the props if the case.

 

[saintmaster]

Not sure, they would need to massively invest in the props if the case.

Well they already have Ruskin on the loosehead side, young prop full of potential and on the tighthead side James Johnston is a beast at the scrum too, I think if they signed him they'd be fine but I understand the problem of how small he is in the scrum, Tom Youngs has been criticised for the same issue

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Ruskin off to Glaws apparently

Also having met Thacker and Youngs Thacker is still quite a bit shorter/smaller than Youngs who tends to have 2 international props on either side.

And James Johnston is hardly a beast in the scrum.

 

[Peat]

But was that more due to they already got dispensation over Ludik.
For what it is worth. I do think it's vital Ulster do get a top 9 as all the other pieces aren't half as good if they don't.

Dispensation for Ludik should have nothing to do with injury cover. That's a genuinely foaming at the mouth piece of logic.

Which I guess is par for the course for the IRFU...

 

[Groundhog]

Taute's presence is nothing to Ulster. TAB's comment is more comparing and contrasting with Ulster's treatment.

Might be a bit apples and oranges with Pienaar. Its very apples and apples with Ulster being denied an injury replacement for Coetzee though.

Genuinely regards an injury replacement and indeed the backrow in general for Ulster there is such an excess of backrow talent on this island especially at Leinster, it beggars belief they can't lure someone like Dom Ryan, Conan or Deegan north, and especially Copeland from Munster. It's a position of crazy strength at the moment in Ireland, but Ulster are really stretched for forwards with impact.

 

[Peat]

Genuinely regards an injury replacement and indeed the backrow in general for Ulster there is such an excess of backrow talent on this island especially at Leinster, it beggars belief they can't lure someone like Dom Ryan, Conan or Deegan north, and especially Copeland from Munster. It's a position of crazy strength at the moment in Ireland, but Ulster are really stretched for forwards with impact.

But we got Clive Ross though :mellow:

Its a really odd one. Either Ulster aren't asking, or there's a real reluctance to move north of the border. We can get guys missing out on academy and from the AIL, but anything else just seems completely verboeten. None of those guys would match the impact of Coetzee, or the nameless international we allegedly had lined up for the injury replacement, but it'd be better than flogging Wilson to death and Clive Ross, as much as he's kicked on.

Mind you, you've also got to ask how comes guys like Joyce and Taggart and Dow, who looked decent enough at U20s, have gone nowhere at all. Or how guys like Rea the older and Mulholland slipped through the net until getting odd appearances here and there aged 23. Or how Finlay Bealham and Conor Carey weren't good enough for the Ulster academy but seem to be doing nicely enough at Connacht. Or how Gilroy was nearly missed, or how Rhys O'Donnell was getting no particular interest from Ulster until he got the Ireland call. The questions over Ulster's talent identification and development get louder and louder...

... although if there is a problem, think how many more outside backs we might have missed out on :mellow:

 

[munstermuffin]

Dispensation for Ludik should have nothing to do with injury cover. That's a genuinely foaming at the mouth piece of logic.

Which I guess is par for the course for the IRFU...

Sorry meant on NIQ quota. On injury cover I agree on cover. I genuinely believe a guy like Conor Oliver or Domnic Ryan should've been sent up possibly. Like we took Angus from ye.
That's where there "IRFU Policy" should take effect.

But equally as you've kind of pointed out a bit of a chance on some youngsters has to be taken too. And that issue seems to be more internal than anything. Like Munster suffered in some ways by being too loyal to some youngsters but a quick dismissal would've meant missing guys like John Ryan, Donnacha Ryan, Quinny and John Kelly over the years come to mind.

 

[Groundhog]

But we got Clive Ross though :mellow:

Its a really odd one. Either Ulster aren't asking, or there's a real reluctance to move north of the border. We can get guys missing out on academy and from the AIL, but anything else just seems completely verboeten. None of those guys would match the impact of Coetzee, or the nameless international we allegedly had lined up for the injury replacement, but it'd be better than flogging Wilson to death and Clive Ross, as much as he's kicked on.

Mind you, you've also got to ask how comes guys like Joyce and Taggart and Dow, who looked decent enough at U20s, have gone nowhere at all. Or how guys like Rea the older and Mulholland slipped through the net until getting odd appearances here and there aged 23. Or how Finlay Bealham and Conor Carey weren't good enough for the Ulster academy but seem to be doing nicely enough at Connacht. Or how Gilroy was nearly missed, or how Rhys O'Donnell was getting no particular interest from Ulster until he got the Ireland call. The questions over Ulster's talent identification and development get louder and louder...

... although if there is a problem, think how many more outside backs we might have missed out on :mellow:

I mean true, I wouldn't move north, but I have goals of actually being successful which would put playing for Ulster off the table, but the same can't be said for some rugby players on this island!
Ulster more than any province seem to look toward English academy guys who are IQ than any other province. Connacht have a couple, and we have Wooton, but it's odd the academy isn't churning out more players as the schools competition and general rugby standard is high up there. I genuinely believe they must be missing a lot of talent.

 

[munstermuffin]

I mean true, I wouldn't move north, but I have goals of actually being successful which would put playing for Ulster off the table, but the same can't be said for some rugby players on this island!

If any player wouldn't move north to enhance their reputation then I'd question them as players in some ways. If you had faith in yourself you'd like to think you could impact a team in an injury hit area. Also you would learn a different environment even if only for 6 months or so.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Alpha can you make sure Leinster keep Lancaster please.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

You wouldn't want Lancaster?
I'd bite your hand off for him, and I'm hoping we throw some cash at Leinster to try and steal him away. He still lives in Leeds (said the commute to Dublin was quicker than to London, recently) so a commute to manc is nothing in comparison

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

You wouldn't want Lancaster?
I'd bite your hand off for him, and I'm hoping we throw some cash at Leinster to try and steal him away. He still lives in Leeds (said the commute to Dublin was quicker than to London, recently) so a commute to manc is nothing in comparison

Yeh but do sale even have standards?

Honestly no I think Lancaster is a good assistant coach nothing else, look at his record for Leeds.

Also I think his philosophy as DOR would not suit Tigers. (Also a lot of Tigers players don't like him).
Also he is a massive Clark fan.

Not met one tiger fan that likes him, Majoirty would take Johnson over him.


What you think Diamond might go up a position in the board and Lancaster as DOR could work as Diamond would def be the trousers of the two.