Transfers rumours

[Which Tyler]

The book on George Ford is open: http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/book...fancy-a-chat/story-29997840-detail/story.html

Allegedly the fee to have a chat with George is £250k (how is that legal?) - but if we want to know how much Sale value their target's exisitng club, we only have to ask Castleford.
Of course, then money needs to be found for his new contract, and his transfer fee...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I do t believe that fee is true TBH.

Too many contradictions now in this story the same people who where saying that Sale and Tigers had already made offers to Ford are the ones now saying that they have to pay £250,000 to just speak to him which is it becuase one way or another there sources don't add up.

Trouble is press pick up on rumours from podcast and forums and Fissler and people suddenly think it has substance mainstream media is the worse for rumours rugby wise. (Daniel Evans at the bath chronicle is pretty bad at it aswell, Crowson the Leicester Mercury guy is reliable but then again he doesn't post any rumours until done so he is rubbish for rumours).

 

[will311293]

Rumours circulating on Both teams message boards, Fissler and Rugby Paper is that Marcus Watson is being chased by Wasps and that an approach can be mad as early as January. Personally i know we don't really need him but god wouldn't be too bad to add him to our back line haha.

 

[RedruthRFC]

The book on George Ford is open: http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/book...fancy-a-chat/story-29997840-detail/story.html

Allegedly the fee to have a chat with George is £250k (how is that legal?) - but if we want to know how much Sale value their target's exisitng club, we only have to ask Castleford.
Of course, then money needs to be found for his new contract, and his transfer fee...

I'd have thought that depends on when his contract ends. AFAIK, RFU regulations say that you need the current club's permission to talk to a player unless it is during the final six months of that player's contract (although maybe PRL rules supersede this). I'd have thought that it would be cheaper to break the rules and take the consequences than to stump up that kind of cash.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Stringer -> Retirement
Having scans on a potentially season ending knee injury. He's always said he'll keep playing as long as his body is up to it, and he's picked up a lot of injuries the past 6months

 

[Geordie]

Rumours circulating on Both teams message boards, Fissler and Rugby Paper is that Marcus Watson is being chased by Wasps and that an approach can be mad as early as January. Personally i know we don't really need him but god wouldn't be too bad to add him to our back line haha.

You can just keep your hands off him thank you very much! You don't need him!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Stringer -> Retirement
Having scans on a potentially season ending knee injury. He's always said he'll keep playing as long as his body is up to it, and he's picked up a lot of injuries the past 6months

Stringer cannot retire it is impossible

 

[munstermuffin]

Rumours are rife Ben Smith to Munster is finalised and he will fly in Tuesday for a presser.
A 1 year deal worth â'¬800k.

I'm happy if we get him BUT we don't need a back 3 player as much as other areas.

Also any of guys I usually get the exact info off haven't given this so I'm sceptical of if it is true

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

1 year for 800k seems a bit pointless really could understand if Munster where desperate for a 15.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Stringer -> Retirement
Having scans on a potentially season ending knee injury. He's always said he'll keep playing as long as his body is up to it, and he's picked up a lot of injuries the past 6months

That's a tear jerker! Possibly the most liked player accross the British Isles.

 

[munstermuffin]

1 year for 800k seems a bit pointless really could understand if Munster where desperate for a 15.

As I said I'm around Munster guys every day and usual heads said nothing so I don't believe it.
If it were â'¬800k I'd say it'll be outside funding. Also 1 year would make sense as Smith wants to go to next RWC.
But as you say we aren't desperate for 15. In my eyes Conway and Zebo are international class 15s. (That's notbsaying they should be starters for Ireland). And Sweetnam Earls are international class wingers with O'Mahony a good club player. So there is 5 players there without mentioning youngsters like Wooton etc. So depth is there too.
A 9 and centre and maybe a backrow should be priority

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Rumours are rife Ben Smith to Munster is finalised and he will fly in Tuesday for a presser.
A 1 year deal worth €800k.

I'm happy if we get him BUT we don't need a back 3 player as much as other areas.

Also any of guys I usually get the exact info off haven't given this so I'm sceptical of if it is true

Well that'd be an absolute mockery of the IRFU's recruitment policy. (Not that it applies to ye lads ) Ludik, Piatau and potentially Isa (hopefully) and Kirchner (hopefully not) all play at 15 in this country and Zebo is the future of the position. Get yourselves a tighthead, we'll take a decent 13 to back up Garry if no one minds!

 

[Groundhog]

Don't want Smith if he's on that money. Could recruit far more cheaply and intelligently than that. Big signings like that put buns on seats but if we compare it to the incredible success that was Howlett's signing in a time we lacked a seriously good outside back it makes no sense.
Nah I still call bs on this.

 

[munstermuffin]

Well that'd be an absolute mockery of the IRFU's recruitment policy. (Not that it applies to ye lads ) Ludik, Piatau and potentially Isa (hopefully) and Kirchner (hopefully not) all play at 15 in this country and Zebo is the future of the position. Get yourselves a tighthead, we'll take a decent 13 to back up Garry if no one minds!

Well as you know Leinster set the precedent with Brad Thorn deal which is how Munster got to keep Taute as he covers 11-15. And we light especially after Kirchners poor tackle injured Sweetnam. Again man if you going to try make the joke at least try
Also it's bending of rules in that
Ludik was an exemption as he's close to being IQ.
Piatau down as a winger as is Isa.
Kirchner as a 15.
Smith can be signed as a 15 after this year. But on position side. I agree we don't need a 15 but do disagree with positional thing. Ulster will need a 9 vitally next year. And it's 1 spot they can't sign.

As for tighthead I see you don't watch Munster much as you didn't know much of Kleyn but John Ryan had his way with McGrath on Stephens day and would be really challenging for starting for Ireland only Furlong is performing on a different level to most in world.

 

[munstermuffin]

Don't want Smith if he's on that money. Could recruit far more cheaply and intelligently than that. Big signings like that put buns on seats but if we compare it to the incredible success that was Howlett's signing in a time we lacked a seriously good outside back it makes no sense.
Nah I still call bs on this.

As I said it's not from within I've heard it so I'd agree it's BS.
Munster won't be picking up bill IF he was to come

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Yamada apprently looking at the prem.

Would love him and Mafi to go to Tigers, get my Japan shirt signed.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Well as you know Leinster set the precedent with Brad Thorn deal which is how Munster got to keep Taute as he covers 11-15. And we light especially after Kirchners poor tackle injured Sweetnam. Again man if you going to try make the joke at least try
Also it's bending of rules in that
Ludik was an exemption as he's close to being IQ.
Piatau down as a winger as is Isa.
Kirchner as a 15.
Smith can be signed as a 15 after this year.

As for tighthead I see you don't watch Munster much as you didn't know much of Kleyn but John Ryan had his way with McGrath on Stephens day and would be really challenging for starting for Ireland only Furlong is performing on a different level to most in world.

The Thorn and Taute signings aren't similar in any way, definitely no precedent set there! I'm just messing anyway, I think its fair enough for you to keep Taute as long as Saili leaves next season.

McGrath didn't travel, getting the better of Healy isn't a huge deal these days and I don't remember much of a gulf in class at scrum time regardless. Anyway, whoever you had last night was eaten alive. NIQ's in my opinion should be either world beaters in a position a province is weak in, a guy who can play in multiple positions (think Isa for both) or a player who's good but not quite the level of the starter in a position where a team only has one good player. (Jamison Gibson-Park, aka Fetish, being a current example)

If we were to lose Kirchner and Isa this year I wouldn't want a wing who will keep O'Loughlin, DK and Byrne out of the side but would like a 13, not quite at Ringrose's level, who can be used on the wing ahead of the likes of Daly and McFadden... If you want to clone Taute or if he fancies avocado for breakfast rather than black pudding send him our way!

 

[munstermuffin]

The Thorn and Taute signings aren't similar in any way, definitely no precedent set there! I'm just messing anyway, I think its fair enough for you to keep Taute as long as Saili leaves next season.

McGrath didn't travel, getting the better of Healy isn't a huge deal these days and I don't remember much of a gulf in class at scrum time regardless. Anyway, whoever you had last night was eaten alive. NIQ's in my opinion should be either world beaters in a position a province is weak in, a guy who can play in multiple positions (think Isa for both) or a player who's good but not quite the level of the starter in a position where a team only has one good player. (Jamison Gibson-Park, aka Fetish, being a current example)

If we were to lose Kirchner and Isa this year I wouldn't want a wing who will keep O'Loughlin, DK and Byrne out of the side but would like a 13, not quite at Ringrose's level, who can be used on the wing ahead of the likes of Daly and McFadden... If you want to clone Taute or if he fancies avocado for breakfast rather than black pudding send him our way!

Can I ask how they aren't.
Regards Taute staying. He suits us better than Saili but genuinely he is covering back 3 too.
Sorry meant Healy. But yes Archer had bad night last night but to be fair weather was awful and Buckley is a good player. But I'd say Ryan had massive game and Munster scrum was well on top Monday. We pushed Leinster pack back and won 2 against head too.

On NIQs it's vital what they bring to table. For example Taute has arrived and bought in to everything here but I can't show enough what he has done for Scannell, Sweetnam and others.
Like my issue is the position bit. Like we could only sign a hooker and nearly signed Moore for sake of it. But that would've blocked Scannell.
Like it has to be on a case to case basis not positional.
On paper Saili is 100 times better than Taute but it depends on team.
Example being Saili would excel in a Leinster jersey as his style suits them. Equally Sean Cronin. There's a reason he didn't make it here yet excels there

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Can I ask how they aren't.
Regards Taute staying. He suits us better than Saili but genuinely he is covering back 3 too.
Sorry meant Healy. But yes Archer had bad night last night but to be fair weather was awful and Buckley is a good player. But I'd say Ryan had massive game and Munster scrum was well on top Monday. We pushed Leinster pack back and won 2 against head too.

On NIQs it's vital what they bring to table. For example Taute has arrived and bought in to everything here but I can't show enough what he has done for Scannell, Sweetnam and others.
Like my issue is the position bit. Like we could only sign a hooker and nearly signed Moore for sake of it. But that would've blocked Scannell.
Like it has to be on a case to case basis not positional.
On paper Saili is 100 times better than Taute but it depends on team.
Example being Saili would excel in a Leinster jersey as his style suits them. Equally Sean Cronin. There's a reason he didn't make it here yet excels there

Thorn was basically an extremely good injury joker, same as Taute, we didn't keep him just because he was really good! We also didn't have another foreign second row at the time. Him being used as a wing also shouldn't be allowed if Piatau and Isa are already NIQ wings! My issue is more that there are two centres in one province where guys like Scannell and Arnold should be getting gametime to aid their development. The whole thing is also a bit of a kick in the teeth to Ulster, no way does Ruan Pienaar bring less to Ulster development than Taute to Munster.

 

[munstermuffin]

Thorn was basically an extremely good injury joker, same as Taute, we didn't keep him just because he was really good! We also didn't have another foreign second row at the time. Him being used as a wing also shouldn't be allowed if Piatau and Isa are already NIQ wings! My issue is more that there are two centres in one province where guys like Scannell and Arnold should be getting gametime to aid their development. The whole thing is also a bit of a kick in the teeth to Ulster, no way does Ruan Pienaar bring less to Ulster development than Taute to Munster.

Thing was. 1. He covered a player and when player was fit he was still started.
Arnold hasn't been blocked as he's been injured. Scannell has benefited if anything. And we are light on wings and Leinster still went over their NIQ quota.
Saili and Taute play same position in our strongest team. Very unlikely both would play and he covers across 11-15. It was allowed as Leinster got help at that time when needed. Ulster got it by Ludik being excluded from NIQ quota and we got it as we light in backs.
Issue with Ulster is more Ruan has been their all these years and take him out of 9 and they literally have nobody. Like where is the development if there is nobody coming through.
As I said Taute has impacted on Scannell hugely in centre. Arnold and Bohane too. But they need to stay injury free to really show benefits. Like is Paul Marshall really all they seem to rate after all Ruan's help.
Like Isa Nacewa I'm guessing impacts alot of guys like Daly Byrne etc. That's what I think is vital from an NIQ