That 2005 BOD Spear tackle.... Some thoughts 7 years later?

[Darwin]

Didn't Umanga get himself in a fight when he was Toulon coach?

No. He got red carded (when he was Toulon coach) for attempting to calm his team down after a brawl though: http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/04/430/french-rugby-mayhem-tana-umaga-red-card.

 

[SelimNiai]

Was all this strictly necessary?

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

No. He got red carded (when he was Toulon coach) for attempting to calm his team down after a brawl though: http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/04/430/french-rugby-mayhem-tana-umaga-red-card.

You can tell Umaga thinks the whole thing is a joke

 

[smartcooky]

No. He got red carded (when he was Toulon coach) for attempting to calm his team down after a brawl though: http://www.rugbydump.com/2008/04/430/french-rugby-mayhem-tana-umaga-red-card.

Yep. It was a case of a completely amateur referee being in completely over his head when refereeing professional rugby players. This sort of thing rarely has a happy ending.

 

[theartfuldodg3r]

A tackle like that is premeditated, simple fact. You do not get that timing of lifting one leg each and driving a man deliberately into the ground purposefully aiming to injure/hurt him without planning it first.

Another important distinction is that it was a spear tackle and not a tip. A tip you merely lift the target and drop/release him, a spear your sole aim is to drive him head first into the ground.

As previously mentioned they both have form as dirty players.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

A tackle like that is premeditated, simple fact. You do not get that timing of lifting one leg each and driving a man deliberately into the ground purposefully aiming to injure/hurt him without planning it first.

Another important distinction is that it was a spear tackle and not a tip. A tip you merely lift the target and drop/release him, a spear your sole aim is to drive him head first into the ground.

As previously mentioned they both have form as dirty players.

As previously mentioned, this is ********. Mealamu has had one serious incident in over 300 matches. Umaga has had none.

You can't say it's a fact that it's premeditated - how do you even know that they were aware the other play had O'Driscoll's leg? You don't. You can argue that it may have been intentional all you like (though, again, I'd dispute this), but to state that it's a 'simple fact' is utter shite.

 

[lucky number 7]

Awful...awful..


Never forgive..Never forget.



No surrender.


Behead all who insult bod.

 

[Sker]

For the mozzerland!!

Oh wait wrong thread.

 

[dullonien]

Can we just move this along to a Lions incident that everyone agrees about:

 

[big ginger 8]

I'm taking names.

 

[dullonien]

I'm taking names.

If you're creating a hit list, then my real name is Gavin Evans and I strongly disagree with your opinions.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

The way I see the incident is that 7 years ago Umaga got a little bit jealous of the fact BO'D is a better player than him and took it too far.
It happened in a much smaller way in 09 when Umaga was on the voting panel that gave McCaw player of the year when BO'D deserved it.
Each time BO'D came out of it looking the bigger man.
I reckon O`Driscoll put this behind him a long time ago and we shouldn't bother with the debate.

 

[RyotoTheDragon]

haha is the horse dead yet?

 

[big ginger 8]

If you're creating a hit list, then my real name is Gavin Evans and I strongly disagree with your opinions.

You're this guy?

Might wait until after we play Cardiff.

 

[smartcooky]

haha is the horse dead yet?

Apparently not...

I reckon O`Driscoll put this behind him a long time ago and we shouldn't bother with the debate.

Well said that man

 

[lucky number 7]

No surrender!

Behead all who insult BOD.

 

[dullonien]

You're this guy?

Might wait until after we play Cardiff.

Well that's just not fair.

 

[lucky number 7]

No Surrender!

 

[theartfuldodg3r]

As previously mentioned, this is ********. Mealamu has had one serious incident in over 300 matches. Umaga has had none.

You can't say it's a fact that it's premeditated - how do you even know that they were aware the other play had O'Driscoll's leg? You don't. You can argue that it may have been intentional all you like (though, again, I'd dispute this), but to state that it's a 'simple fact' is utter shite.

I rest my case.

 

[Dizzy]

For once I didn't bring this up.
Kovana, at the time, the tip tackle wasn't viewed as harshly as it is now, so comparing it to a recent incident like Greylings shot on McCaw has no relevance. It's like comparing the strap from back in the day to detentions for turning up late to class in todays education systems.

I have admitted that I now see this as foul play, but at the time, I was of the era where tip tackles were something to cheer about and I defended the situation very soundly, whenever I saw a tip tackle I would light up, and even set out on my early morning saturday games to emulate them[and did so very well]. I still do at times...

But this is different, because it was off the ball and in a ruck. I feel bad for BOD because since then, I have suffered a similar injury which has now put a plight on my game and my shoulder pops out from time to time and it is alot weaker. But, I hated how much BOD complained, cried and moaned that he didn't get an apology, I still think to this day, the man is a sulker but based mainly on how much he sulked months and months after it happened.

Overall, I no longer condone this type of foul play and now I can say, the King should have been given a suspension and it sucks even more that the TJ was right there. But as I said, the tip tackle was seen differently in that era.