South Africa squad for England tests

[peanuts40]

LOL! you are completely misreading what I'm saying, when Du Preez is on form, there's no-one better than him at scrumhalf. Yes Hougaard has the X-factor and yes he's the best in Super rugby. But you can't hide away from Du Preez's class and his massive contributions he has given to the Boks.

Our Bok Squad is going to be very green (inexperienced) and you need a lot of experienced guys when playing top-level rugby. Meyer knows this, and he doesn't make that many mistakes.

But before you all jump on your bloody high horses, Calm the F down... Fourie hasn't accepted the proposal yet...

But that is the problem!?!

He has not been on form for about 3 years, and I don't how playing rugby in Japan would/could of changed that.​

 

[TRF_heineken]

But that is the problem!?!

He has not been on form for about 3 years, and I don't how playing rugby in Japan would/could of changed that.​

If you want to use that measurement, just look at Peter Grant

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Players contracted to teams overseas should not be included unless there's no other option. In du Preez' situation that's not the case. Francois Hougaard is good enough and we need to build for 2015. Give Hougaard a chance with van Zyl on the bench. We should not hold on to retired players or overseas players. Just give others a chance otherwise they'll never be ready for Test level rugby.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Players contracted to teams overseas should not be included unless there's no other option. In du Preez' situation that's not the case. Francois Hougaard is good enough and we need to build for 2015. Give Hougaard a chance with van Zyl on the bench. We should not hold on to retired players or overseas players. Just give others a chance otherwise they'll never be ready for Test level rugby.

Yeah yeah, but there is immense pressure on Heyneke with this tour. He will do the breeding after the England tour. The only thing on his mind now is to sweep the Poms. and he will do it with guys he know are capable of doing it. I'm one of the biggest Hougaard fans around, but I personally think it's a good idea to get Fourie in the mix on an experience viewpoint...

 

[ZeFrenchy]

Today, Hougaard is a better halfback than Du Preez. The future has little to do: playing Fourie Du Preez in today's form (I don't think you can time-warp the 2007 one) would handicap SA's chances this June.

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

We have experience!

Bismarck, JdV, Habana, Jannie and Pietersen are players who were involved in the World Cup winning squad of 2007 and were there when we beat the Lions 2 years later.

Others like Bekker, Mtawarira, Brussow and Spies experienced winning the Tri-Nations, beating the Lions, just not the World Cup win.

People should stop complaining about the lack of experience in the squad

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

We have experience!

Bismarck, JdV, Habana, Jannie and Pietersen are players who were involved in the World Cup winning squad of 2007 and were there when we beat the Lions 2 years later.

Others like Bekker, Mtawarira, Brussow and Spies experienced winning the Tri-Nations, beating the Lions, just not the World Cup win.

People should stop complaining about the lack of experience in the squad

You can add Frans Steyn to that list as well adding up to 6! RWC winners from 5 years back and then, as mentioned, Bekker, Mtawarira, Brussow and Spies have been in the fold for a long time while Lambie and Hougaard had RWC experience last year so we can't complain about experience.

That's already 12 with half of them having VAST experience. Then we can bring in Pienaar and M Steyn if we really need experience later on.

 

[psychic duck]

Today, Hougaard is a better halfback than Du Preez. The future has little to do: playing Fourie Du Preez in today's form (I don't think you can time-warp the 2007 one) would handicap SA's chances this June.

so have you been watching du Preez play for Suntory Sungoliath?

probably none of us know what form he's in now, he just had one international season after a very long injury where he wasn't his usual self, for all you know he could have rediscovered form in Japan

 

[TRF_heineken]

so have you been watching du Preez play for Suntory Sungoliath?

probably none of us know what form he's in now, he just had one international season after a very long injury where he wasn't his usual self, for all you know he could have rediscovered form in Japan

Thankyou!! finally someone that thinks the same as me...

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Pienaar-to-join-Bok-squad-20120528

Ruan Pienaar is now also in the Squad!

 

[SomeOke]

so have you been watching du Preez play for Suntory Sungoliath?

probably none of us know what form he's in now, he just had one international season after a very long injury where he wasn't his usual self, for all you know he could have rediscovered form in Japan

Still we're picking a player that might have found form in an inferior league, over the form scrum-half in South Africa, it just makes no sense to me.

I was as thrilled as anyone when Heyneke was made SA coach, I think he's a brilliant man and definitely the best person for the job.
That said when he makes dodgy calls we can't defend him blindly. I can't help but feel he's trying to hold on to his Bulls side of 2007-2010 instead of moving forward in a positive way.

 

[psychic duck]

These are the SA Barbarians sides that will play England in the midweek matches

SA Barbarians South: 15 Jacquin Jansen, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Kempie Rautenbach, 12 Wayne Stevens, 11 Norman Nelson, 10 Elgar Watts, 9 Boela Abrahams, 8 Jacques Engelbrecht, 7 Shaun Raubenheimer, 6 Mpho Mbiyozo, 5 David Bulbring, 4 Nolan Clark, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 Corne Fourie.
Replacements: 16 Clemen Lewis, 17 Dean Hopp, 18 Ben Venter, 19 Zandre Jordaan, 20 Ntando Kebe, 21 Ricardo Croy, 22 Ntabeni Dukisa.


SA Barbarians North: 15 JC Roos, 14 Danwel Demas, 13 JW Jonker, 12 Joubert Engelbrecht, 11 Deon Scholtz, 10 Coenie van Wyk, 9 Shaun Venter, 8 Nicky Steyn, 7 MB Lusaseni, 6 Jaco Bouwer, 5 Rudi Mathee, 4 Eduan van der Walt, 3 Ashley Buys, 2 Torsten van Jaarsveld, 1 BG Uys.
Replacements: 16 Pellow van der Westhuizen, 17 Zane Kilian, 18 Boela Serfontein, 19 Martin Sithole, 20 Johann Laker, 21 Hoffman Maritz, 22 Tertius Maarman.

 

[peanuts40]

My god.....^^^^^^

 

[Darwin]

These are the SA Barbarians sides that will play England in the midweek matchesSA Barbarians South: 15 Jacquin Jansen, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Kempie Rautenbach, 12 Wayne Stevens, 11 Norman Nelson, 10 Elgar Watts, 9 Boela Abrahams, 8 Jacques Engelbrecht, 7 Shaun Raubenheimer, 6 Mpho Mbiyozo, 5 David Bulbring, 4 Nolan Clark, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 Corne Fourie.
Replacements: 16 Clemen Lewis, 17 Dean Hopp, 18 Ben Venter, 19 Zandre Jordaan, 20 Ntando Kebe, 21 Ricardo Croy, 22 Ntabeni Dukisa.


SA Barbarians North: 15 JC Roos, 14 Danwel Demas, 13 JW Jonker, 12 Joubert Engelbrecht, 11 Deon Scholtz, 10 Coenie van Wyk, 9 Shaun Venter, 8 Nicky Steyn, 7 MB Lusaseni, 6 Jaco Bouwer, 5 Rudi Mathee, 4 Eduan van der Walt, 3 Ashley Buys, 2 Torsten van Jaarsveld, 1 BG Uys.
Replacements: 16 Pellow van der Westhuizen, 17 Zane Kilian, 18 Boela Serfontein, 19 Martin Sithole, 20 Johann Laker, 21 Hoffman Maritz, 22 Tertius Maarman.

Good looking lineups, though I am a bit unfamiliar with the bolded players... anyone have any information on them?

 

[TRF_heineken]

Good looking lineups, though I am a bit unfamiliar with the bolded players... anyone have any information on them?

Cornal Hendricks, Mpho Mbiyozo and Danwel Demas all played Springbok Sevens

Demas, JW Jonker, Hannes Franklin and Ross Geldenhuys has all played SUper Rugby before.

The rest are a mystery.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

The 'Southern Barbarians' are a watered down Southern Kings LOL. This is actually an insult to our touring guests. I mean, what's the point of midweeks if not even the best from at least the Vodacom cup are playing? Hell, our varsity teams and the better schools first teams would be a sterner test- not even joking.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Well hopefully we'll come away from the tour with at least two wins under our belt :lol:

 

[TRF_heineken]

The 'Southern Barbarians' are a watered down Southern Kings LOL. This is actually an insult to our touring guests. I mean, what's the point of midweeks if not even the best from at least the Vodacom cup are playing? Hell, our varsity teams and the better schools first teams would be a sterner test- not even joking.

Yeah! But why can't they just pick guys who were not selected for the bok squad?? Like the Emerging Boks who played vs the B&I Lions...

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Yeah! But why can't they just pick guys who were not selected for the bok squad?? Like the Emerging Boks who played vs the B&I Lions...

My sentiments exactly. My guess would be the S15 franchises not wanting some key non-Bok players to get crocked.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Meyer: I'll take an ugly win
2012-05-29 14:42Email | Print

Heyneke Meyer (Gallo)
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Cape Town - Coach Heyneke Meyer is patently clear about his primary task in charge of the Springboks - nothing but winning will suffice.

"I believe in two types of rugby; winning rugby and losing rugby, there is nothing in between for me," said the man entrusted with the fortunes of the Springboks over the next four years.

"I've always said attack puts bums on seats but defence wins games. I'll rather take an ugly win than lose a game playing great rugby," he said in an interview ahead of his debut series against England in June.

Former Leicester and Bulls coach Meyer, 44, took charge in January, succeeding the controversial Peter de Villiers.

There will no revolutionary change in approach or shift away from the tough physical game characteristic of South Africa for decades.

"I intend to play to South Africa's strengths which is great big forwards and skillful backs," Meyer added.

Any thoughts of the new coach carrying on with the colourful quotes and bizarre expressions voiced by De Villiers are quickly dispelled.

Meyer comes to the job after South Africa's failure to successfully defend their Rugby World Cup crown in New Zealand last year, where they lost in the quarter-finals to Australia, and at a time when many long serving players have ended their international careers.

"We had great players in 2007 (when the Boks won the World Cup in France) and in 2011 I thought we had some of the greatest players in world rugby but a lot of them have moved on now," he said.

"I'm very positive about the young players coming through and a lot have put up their hands in this year's Super Rugby championship and that makes me excited. My job will be picking the right guys, putting the right structures around them and creating the environment where they can excel."

Meyer is pragmatic about the pace of that transition and the prospect of recalls for the likes of scrumhalf Fourie du Preez, now playing club rugby in Japan, and lock Victor Matfield, retired to the television studio as an analyst, has dominated speculation around his first team selection and the identity of the next Springbok captain.

"I believe you need to go out and win every single Test match. I don't want to use a building phase as an excuse. I think with the right structures and planning, the next World Cup will take care of itself.

"That is a long-term goal but you need to also plan short term. It's difficult to plan more than six months ahead."

Meyer said the three-Test home series against England is his only focus for now, with any thoughts of the upcoming expanded Southern hemisphere series against New Zealand's All Blacks, Australia and Argentina are on hold.

"I would have liked to have had an easier start.

"I was very impressed with England in the Six Nations. What I took out of those games was that there is a lot of mental toughness. The first two games they were under a lot of pressure but in the end, beating France away from home was a huge, huge achievement.

"I think they will come here with a lot of confidence and going forward they are going to be a strong side for the next World Cup. Although they've got a lot of x-factor players and game beakers, they get the balance right. They have an unbelievable defence and they put a lot of pressure on the opposition with their defensive game."

South Africa host England on June 9, 16 and 23 in Durban, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth respectively.

"I'm a big believer you should play the right type of rugby for a particular game," added Meyer.

"I don't want to say we are going to play a specific type of rugby and then have to go back and bite my tongue. You need to study every opponent, look at their strengths and weaknesses and then adapt your game plan around that."

Now that is the type of answer and attitude we want in a coach!!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

"I've always said attack puts bums on seats but defence wins games. I'll rather take an ugly win than lose a game playing great rugby," he said in an interview ahead of his debut series against England in June.

So that's 10. M Steyn, 15. F Steyn then?