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Hardly, have you watched the IRB 7s this year? He just hasn't been on good form - He was one of the best players going, as seen by his winning the player of the year (or whatever it was) award, but this year he hasn't been playing to his usual standard
 
Hardly, have you watched the IRB 7s this year? He just hasn't been on good form - He was one of the best players going, as seen by his winning the player of the year (or whatever it was) award, but this year he hasn't been playing to his usual standard
Your right, he has been out of form..he has since been dropped from the Samoa 7s team. I do believe theres still time for him as he is still 27 and that form he once had is nothing he cant get back.
 
if the irb decided to add the p.i teams to the tri nations it would be a bad idea and i dont think SANZAR would allow it.
 
Pesamino has been playing injured, so that's why his performances have been subpar. He didn't get dropped, but rested to get his knees right. He should be fit in time for the last two legs.

As far as the team goes, it'll be pretty much the same as what you saw at the end of the year. There'd probably only be one change in the starting line-up, with Tagicakibau coming in for Lemi.

Not sure why some of you guys are changing the backrow - that backrow is the bee's knees.
 
When you look at the teams people have named in here, if they get a decent amount of time together before the WC to gel then they have the potential to be a very very strong team - some big names in there, and given a chance they could be very competitive in their group/progress out of it with a little luck
 
When you look at the teams people have named in here, if they get a decent amount of time together before the WC to gel then they have the potential to be a very very strong team - some big names in there, and given a chance they could be very competitive in their group/progress out of it with a little luck
That is not just Samoas but all of the Pacific Island teams biggest problem. They can get the names together especially at world cup...But lack of preparation wether it being their nature to be badly disorganized or only getting the team together within days of a test match or before a tournemant due to problems with securing the release of players. Its all good to have a team with the names and the talent...but you need proper time to get the players prepared and familiar with each other as it is crucial in getting a team to gel properly and for team unity off and on the field. This will always keep the Island teams from being able to compete and beat the top tier teams on a regular basis, as there is no question when it comes to their natural talent and skill levels.
 
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Hey melhor, good to see a familiar face here. My old alias was Ws4life on here and you may remember me from the old IRB forum from a few years back..how you been ?:D

Interesting squad...though I'm astounded u left out Kahn Fotuali'i out of the starting line up..the guy was a star for Samoa when they picked him up for the end of year international tests. He could just about start in any international side and you have on the bench?...interesting. Salavea is one in your line up which has failed to impress me in his games for Samoa and i would have him on the bench at best...you are right though with Samoa having a decent stock of players available at number 6 and 8 but very thin at number 7. Lots of hard hitting runners and tacklers in the loose forwards but none that can reliably and consistently turn the ball over at the break down.We've lacked a true pilfering number 7 for god knows how long (I cant remember the last since I started following the Manu back in 2003). The one that comes to mind is Maurie Faasavalu. He could've been great but moved to league after the world cup in 2003. He has since moved back to union, but I feel its too late for him to develop into the pilfering open side flanker we've been searching for ever since he intitially left out. Salavea for me is not the answer. I would prefer Jack Lam or Faifili Levave if they make themselves available....if not George Stowers, or Ofisa Treviranus as our other options. One last player I'll touch on in your line up, David Lemi. I hear good things about him playing at club level, yet there hasn't been a game I've seen him play for Samoa which has had him standout for me. He has had amble chances to shine, but has yet to done anything spectacular. 5 tries in 25 tests just isn't enough for a wing at international level. I Feel Alesena Tuilagi and Sailosi Tagicakibau Are bigger impact players with more to offer and should be our starters, with An in form Mikaele Pesamino (I don't care what others are saying about him, but in last years PNC for me he was their player of the tournament) the next player down in our depth.

I do agree that Samoa will find it tough to beat South Africa, Wales and Fiji. Fiji will be a 50/50 game as both teams are pretty equal and I feel it just depends on whose day it turns out to be (hopefully Samoa):cool: Wales I'm sure will be frothing at the mouth to avenge all their past world cup humiliations in one World Cup showing so I'm expecting them to come prepared and ready to fire. Samoa (or Fiji for that matter) will have to play at their absolute BEST for them to have a chance to topple the welsh. South Africa always tends to be too much of a handful for Samoa even at their best but who knows...fellow islanders Tonga proved anything is possible at the last world cup, with only the bounce of the ball in the dying seconds 5 meters out from them scoring a try denying them the greatest of all upsets. Namibia shouldn't be underestimated, but I feel Samoa should def come up tops there. For me I predict 1 guaranteed win, 2 crunch games against Wales and Fiji to decide who qualifies for the the next round at the world cup. Best I can realistically hope for is 3 outta 4 and a quarter finals berth.

Talofa Afakasi,

I went for Junior Polu over Kahn Fotuali'i because i haven´t seen enough of Kahn Fotuali'i just yet but it was a tough choice. Kahn Fotuali'i started the November internationals and did play well. I think Junior Polu wil get the nod for the first game vs Namibia and Kahn Fotuali'i wll start the crunch game (second match) vs Wales.

Salavea seems to be the only 7 unless Samoa want to go for Stowers at 7 with Tuilagi at 8 and Tekori at 6. But that´s just going to open holes and help Wales and Fiji more than Samoa.

I feel confident in naming David Lemi. I think he has been playing well this season in the Aviva Premiership. But I will admit that I picked him more on reputation than anything else. I think the spot will go to him or Henry Fa´afili and after Henry Fa´afili was carded in the game vs Italy in 2009 I lost faith in him. I didn´t go for Alesena Tuilagi and Sailosi Tagicakibau because they have been out of favor with Samoa and more importantly Samos need more than just big players. Personally I prefer one big winger playing with one small. Never two big wingers. I like Lomu and Wilson not Lomu and Umaga. France vs NZ semi in 1999 is all the proof I will ever need to avoid to big wingers. Wales love playing against big wingers. Shane Williams and Halfpenny seemt o always step up.

For Samoa to win two or more games the key will be to mix size with speed. The talent is there to have a good game plan.
 
Talofa Afakasi,

I went for Junior Polu over Kahn Fotuali'i because i haven´t seen enough of Kahn Fotuali'i just yet but it was a tough choice. Kahn Fotuali'i started the November internationals and did play well. I think Junior Polu wil get the nod for the first game vs Namibia and Kahn Fotuali'i wll start the crunch game (second match) vs Wales.

Salavea seems to be the only 7 unless Samoa want to go for Stowers at 7 with Tuilagi at 8 and Tekori at 6. But that´s just going to open holes and help Wales and Fiji more than Samoa.

I feel confident in naming David Lemi. I think he has been playing well this season in the Aviva Premiership. But I will admit that I picked him more on reputation than anything else. I think the spot will go to him or Henry Fa´afili and after Henry Fa´afili was carded in the game vs Italy in 2009 I lost faith in him. I didn´t go for Alesena Tuilagi and Sailosi Tagicakibau because they have been out of favor with Samoa and more importantly Samos need more than just big players. Personally I prefer one big winger playing with one small. Never two big wingers. I like Lomu and Wilson not Lomu and Umaga. France vs NZ semi in 1999 is all the proof I will ever need to avoid to big wingers. Wales love playing against big wingers. Shane Williams and Halfpenny seemt o always step up.

For Samoa to win two or more games the key will be to mix size with speed. The talent is there to have a good game plan.
Ask anyone who follows Manu Samoa..Polu is good, but Fotualii is DEF the man to start.
Your right in regards to mixing size with speed as a wing combination...I just dont feel lemi is the man anymore. He hasnt done enough at wing playing for Samoa. I think Tagicakibau is the better player and does generate some good speed plus will benifeit playing outside Mapasua (another who is a must to start) who is his club team mate at London irish.
As I said, there are others id rather see at #7 for Samoa then Salavea. Ofisa Treviranus was very impressive in the November Tests as he is fit, gets around the park and to the break down well, hits hard, and has good pace. If we cant get one of the Super Rugby players to come into the team like Lam, Levave, Lowrey or Lilo, I would have either him or George Stowers as our #7 before Id have Salavea.
 
Talofa Afakasi,

I went for Junior Polu over Kahn Fotuali'i because i haven´t seen enough of Kahn Fotuali'i just yet but it was a tough choice. Kahn Fotuali'i started the November internationals and did play well. I think Junior Polu wil get the nod for the first game vs Namibia and Kahn Fotuali'i wll start the crunch game (second match) vs Wales.

Salavea seems to be the only 7 unless Samoa want to go for Stowers at 7 with Tuilagi at 8 and Tekori at 6. But that´s just going to open holes and help Wales and Fiji more than Samoa.

I feel confident in naming David Lemi. I think he has been playing well this season in the Aviva Premiership. But I will admit that I picked him more on reputation than anything else. I think the spot will go to him or Henry Fa´afili and after Henry Fa´afili was carded in the game vs Italy in 2009 I lost faith in him. I didn´t go for Alesena Tuilagi and Sailosi Tagicakibau because they have been out of favor with Samoa and more importantly Samos need more than just big players. Personally I prefer one big winger playing with one small. Never two big wingers. I like Lomu and Wilson not Lomu and Umaga. France vs NZ semi in 1999 is all the proof I will ever need to avoid to big wingers. Wales love playing against big wingers. Shane Williams and Halfpenny seemt o always step up.

For Samoa to win two or more games the key will be to mix size with speed. The talent is there to have a good game plan.

Don't know if that's a good case study. Lomu scored two tries in that game. I'd also say the combinations were wrong, Wilson should have been on the right wing, Cullen should have been at fullback, and Umaga proved that he'd have been very good at centre. I generally agree with having an all out pace and power wing on the left wing, and a more technical and agile winger on the right, just so it varies play a bit. Maybe Tuilagi and Lemi?

Ask anyone who follows Manu Samoa..Polu is good, but Fotualii is DEF the man to start.
Your right in regards to mixing size with speed as a wing combination...I just dont feel lemi is the man anymore. He hasnt done enough at wing playing for Samoa. I think Tagicakibau is the better player and does generate some good speed plus will benifeit playing outside Mapasua (another who is a must to start) who is his club team mate at London irish.
As I said, there are others id rather see at #7 for Samoa then Salavea. Ofisa Treviranus was very impressive in the November Tests as he is fit, gets around the park and to the break down well, hits hard, and has good pace. If we cant get one of the Super Rugby players to come into the team like Lam, Levave, Lowrey or Lilo, I would have either him or George Stowers as our #7 before Id have Salavea.

If Samoa could get Levave, that'd be huge. He's been one of the Canes best players, which is weird that he's coming off the bench so much.
 
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another option at prop for samoa is James Afoa, who played for them in the 2010 PNC, samoa's scrumaging dominated at the PNC but its hard to tell from PNC how he would do against teams because he wasn't on the end of year tour, but Samoa had a lot of problems at the scrum in the end of year tour, maybe James Afoa's scrumaging will help. I still don't like Lavea either :D i'd still pick Fili ahead of him though i haven't seen how Lavea's been playing at clermont yet
 
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another option at prop for samoa is James Afoa, who played for them in the 2010 PNC, samoa's scrumaging dominated at the PNC but its hard to tell from PNC how he would do against teams because he wasn't on the end of year tour, but Samoa had a lot of problems at the scrum in the end of year tour, maybe James Afoa's scrumaging will help. I still don't like Lavea either :D i'd still pick Fili ahead of him though i haven't seen how Lavea's been playing at clermont yet

I've never rated James Afoa's scrummaging ability - I've seen him get destroyed at times for North Harbour at NPC level. Perinese, Jonstone and Taulafo would all be stronger scrummaging props than Afoa in my opinion.
 
I still don't like Lavea either :D i'd still pick Fili ahead of him though i haven't seen how Lavea's been playing at clermont yet
Ive seen quite a bit of game tape from both. Ive seen Lavea at his best and his worst as I have Fili. Havent seen much of Lavea since his move to Clermont though but he played relatively well in his appearances for Samoa in the november tests. He wasnt making too many of the silly and basic mistakes I saw him make at times when he was in NZ. He was providing a decent passing platform putting or trying to put our outside backs into space as well as his defence and tactical kicking was ok. Fili I havent seen play for Samoa since the 2009 end of year tests were he didnt play too well. Ive seen a few of his games playing at club level for the Western Sydney Rams and for Wellington Lions. When I watch Fili play he reminds me alot of the pilot and main character 'Maverick' from the movie 'Top Gun' . Very unpredictable and at his best he is unconventianally Brilliant. Though he is far too inconsistant and on the flipside when he is not at his best he is absoloutly horrendous as he makes alot of stupid headscratching decisions or tries "What was he THINKING??" kind of plays which dont come off. Fili is an X factor type of player, but more inconsistant than from what Ive seen from laveas performances for Samoa...So Lavea gets my nod. If not I would have Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu at First five who has consistantly played well for Samoa at that position though Id probably prefer chucking him in at inside Centre to partner Seilala Mapasua.
 
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I don't know much about Fili, but when I saw him play against Wales in 2009, his goal kicking was dreadful, really dreadful

If he is going to play Samoa would have to select another kicker in another position to accomodate him
 
As I said at his best, and ONLY then he is a brilliant playmaker. Every other time he is terrible. He isnt a goal kicker, but we have Paul or Gavin Williams for that. Laveas goal kicking is better too, but he lacks the range of the Williams brothers.
 
James Afoa won't do. Not sure which games you saw Muzzy, but Samoa's scrum bettered Ireland and Scotland's scrum, so you could say they're doing alright there.

I'd pick Fili, but for a role off the bench or at least in the 30. I've seen Fili play for years, even before he made his Lions debut, and with some game time with Samoa, I think he could set that backline alight, plus he has a pin point accurate corner kicking game which could come in handy at the World Cup. Even though he had a below par season last year, he was pretty good before then. One thing I do prefer Lavea over Fili, is his defense - Lavea defended really well last year and if there's one thing I like for a Samoan team, it's big D.

I don't like the idea of Eliota at 10, whenever he plays 10, we hardly ever get to play outside our own half. I hope he gets in the team though, he's been one of the best 12's in the Aviva.

Not sure why you guys don't rate Salavea, but he was awesome last year. He has a huge work-rate and has the intensity to go along with it. I use to think he was just another one or two test player but he proved me wrong. That trio of Treviranus, Stowers and Salavea dominated the breakdown and they all have big work-rates; they're not flashy players, they're just no-nonsense type players who run straight and hard, hit hard and clear bodies out from the breakdown, and they can do it for 80 minutes. This is Samoa's best trio since 2003, I thought only the All Blacks backrowers performed better at the end of last year.
 
Do you guys think that possibly bringing Samao, Fiji and Tonga into the TriNations along with Argentine might help?

I am sure these nations will be at least as competitive as Argentina. Some top flight rugby with consistant team selection might do wonders with more game time also translating into more cash to develop further. Also, I am bored with Aus, NZ and SA playing each other 3 times a year.

SA, Aus, NZ, Fiji, Tonga, Arg and Samoa, 1 game each is still 6 games per team and a lot more total games. I know the fixtures might not sell out as much but a broader audience and tv rights to be sold might somewhat make up for less bums on seats.
really after such a good tri nations last year
 
James Afoa won't do. Not sure which games you saw Muzzy, but Samoa's scrum bettered Ireland and Scotland's scrum, so you could say they're doing alright there.

I'd pick Fili, but for a role off the bench or at least in the 30. I've seen Fili play for years, even before he made his Lions debut, and with some game time with Samoa, I think he could set that backline alight, plus he has a pin point accurate corner kicking game which could come in handy at the World Cup. Even though he had a below par season last year, he was pretty good before then. One thing I do prefer Lavea over Fili, is his defense - Lavea defended really well last year and if there's one thing I like for a Samoan team, it's big D.

I don't like the idea of Eliota at 10, whenever he plays 10, we hardly ever get to play outside our own half. I hope he gets in the team though, he's been one of the best 12's in the Aviva.

Not sure why you guys don't rate Salavea, but he was awesome last year. He has a huge work-rate and has the intensity to go along with it. I use to think he was just another one or two test player but he proved me wrong. That trio of Treviranus, Stowers and Salavea dominated the breakdown and they all have big work-rates; they're not flashy players, they're just no-nonsense type players who run straight and hard, hit hard and clear bodies out from the breakdown, and they can do it for 80 minutes. This is Samoa's best trio since 2003, I thought only the All Blacks backrowers performed better at the end of last year.
Samoas set piece, particularly the Lineout, improved leaps and bounds during the end of year tests. We held our own in the scrum vs Ireland and Scotland (though the english smashed us) and we were winning 90% of our lineout throws, compared to maybe 30-40% in the past vs Tier 1 teams. I left Mahnonri Schwalger, Kane Thompson and Felipo Levi in my team because they have played with each other for Samoa for years now and look to finally start being familiar with each other, the calls etc to form a formidable lineout.

Ive said enough on my thoughts on Faatonu Fili. Too inconsistant for me but if he could play consistantly at his best he would start. As I said Lavea and Fuimaono-Sapolu are better options.

I dont rate Salavea too high. Ive watched him play in last years PNC and the end of year tests and he didnt stand out at all. If you watch closely the end of year tests it was the others in the Back row , Stowers and in particular Treviranus (who I feel was hard done by not to land himself a pro contract), that played well...not Salavea. Id be happy with those 2 to combine with Maybe Serge Lilo, Faifili Levave, Jack Lam, Peter Saili and/or Chris Lowrey (if they make themselves eligble) or Henry Tuilagi, Joe Tekori, Jonny Fa'amatuinau, Alfoti Fa'osiliva or Afa Aiono to form our Backrow for the World Cup.
 
Do you guys think that possibly bringing Samao, Fiji and Tonga into the TriNations along with Argentine might help?

I am sure these nations will be at least as competitive as Argentina. Some top flight rugby with consistant team selection might do wonders with more game time also translating into more cash to develop further. Also, I am bored with Aus, NZ and SA playing each other 3 times a year.

SA, Aus, NZ, Fiji, Tonga, Arg and Samoa, 1 game each is still 6 games per team and a lot more total games. I know the fixtures might not sell out as much but a broader audience and tv rights to be sold might somewhat make up for less bums on seats.
Its pains me to say but its just not viable to have the Pacific Nations into the Tri nations and here why...
there is NO MONEY to be made playing in the Pacific nations. I cant remember the las time a tier 1 nation has come to play within the Pacific.
While we'd benefiet from the experiance eventually, the competition is too high. Fiji Samoa and Tonga consistantly get beaten by 30+ points against South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Plus without their European stars which most wouldnt be available if they were to play in the tri Nations, the scores most of the time would resemble cricket scores which would not be good to watch at all.
I like them as is in the Pacific Nations Cup. I would prefer to see the Junior All Blacks or NZ Maori and Australia A to return to the competition, as playing them gives a good platform to playing tier 1 countrys.
 
Samoas set piece, particularly the Lineout, improved leaps and bounds during the end of year tests. We held our own in the scrum vs Ireland and Scotland (though the english smashed us) and we were winning 90% of our lineout throws, compared to maybe 30-40% in the past vs Tier 1 teams. I left Mahnonri Schwalger, Kane Thompson and Felipo Levi in my team because they have played with each other for Samoa for years now and look to finally start being familiar with each other, the calls etc to form a formidable lineout.

Ive said enough on my thoughts on Faatonu Fili. Too inconsistant for me but if he could play consistantly at his best he would start. As I said Lavea and Fuimaono-Sapolu are better options.

I dont rate Salavea too high. Ive watched him play in last years PNC and the end of year tests and he didnt stand out at all. If you watch closely the end of year tests it was the others in the Back row , Stowers and in particular Treviranus (who I feel was hard done by not to land himself a pro contract), that played well...not Salavea. Id be happy with those 2 to combine with Maybe Serge Lilo, Faifili Levave, Jack Lam, Peter Saili and/or Chris Lowrey (if they make themselves eligble) or Henry Tuilagi, Joe Tekori, Jonny Fa'amatuinau, Alfoti Fa'osiliva or Afa Aiono to form our Backrow for the World Cup.
They only lost 1 line-out from memory. The set-piece was nothing short of a miracle - Tom Coventry probably was the reason for such a dramatic improvement in that area.

You could paint Lavea with the same brush in terms of consistency. Either way, our 10 options aren't the best.

I definitely watched him closely and he was near the top of the tackle count every game and got through a ton of work, he definitely didn't stand-out as much as Treviranus(I agree, he should be a pro player already) and Stowers but they were playing near a world class level, but he really impressed me with what he did. From that list of players you listed, there's only one I'd consider putting over him, and that's Jack Lam. I do have hope for Aiono, as he's got unlimited potential, but he hasn't started any games to show us what he can really do at this level.
 
You could paint Lavea with the same brush in terms of consistency. Either way, our 10 options aren't the best.
Dont get me wrong...Lavea isnt consistant either...But moreso than Fili. I just said he was solid, while not great, when he played last year for Samoa.
 

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