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I actually think that Samoa struggle to score tries nowadays compared to the amateur "glory" days of Manu Samoa Rugby. Look at results over the past 10yrs and tryscoring has dried right up. Running Rugby is Samoan Rugby so I'm not one to rejoice in winning a Test Match through penalties alone... When people start worrying about kickers then the level of excitement disappears, the team needs to win frontfoot ball and allow our fliers and entertainers out wide to do there thing.
 
I wouldn't say that, we've had plenty of reliable kickers in the past but ever since Va'a retired, we haven't had a high percentage kicker since. ***i Esau is probably our best kicker but he's not even in the picture of selection.


Paul's a bit of a worry, he's just a part-time kicker. When was the last time Lavea and Sapolu kicked?

Lolo is another option but he's not a starter. Gavin is in the same boat, he's not a starter either but is probably the best of the bunch.
I'd say apart from the Williams brother, the one other world class goal kicker since Earl Vaa left out would be Fly half Roger Warren. he has been pretty good goal kicker for Samoa between 2005-2008 with a mammoth boot and good accuracy. Unfortunately thats the best part of his game, as he is not a world class playmaker whereas he has since lost his spot being in the mix for Samoa.
 
I actually think that Samoa struggle to score tries nowadays compared to the amateur "glory" days of Manu Samoa Rugby. Look at results over the past 10yrs and tryscoring has dried right up. Running Rugby is Samoan Rugby so I'm not one to rejoice in winning a Test Match through penalties alone... When people start worrying about kickers then the level of excitement disappears, the team needs to win frontfoot ball and allow our fliers and entertainers out wide to do there thing.
When To'o Vaega left, our scoring went way down, particularly our wingers' scoring. All the wingers who played alongside To'o, all have pretty scoring numbers. It's also just a case of our players in the 90s just simply being better too.

I'd say apart from the Williams brother, the one other world class goal kicker since Earl Vaa left out would be Fly half Roger Warren. he has been pretty good goal kicker for Samoa between 2005-2008 with a mammoth boot and good accuracy. Unfortunately thats the best part of his game, as he is not a world class playmaker whereas he has since lost his spot being in the mix for Samoa.
I was going to mention him, but then I remembered his kicking in 08, and he was off target, but he's definitely the best since Va'a, but not quite as good though.
I agree on Roger just having a boot - at times, he's nice to have there just so he can get us out of our redzone with his big boot, but the back play really suffers with him there.
 
Good news for Samoa..Found this article with an interview with Maurie fa'asavalu. The guy has been playing weel of late during his recent recent stint at harlequins. He seems keen to play for Samoa again if his club will release which will be a big boost to our Loose Forward ranks.

Source http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...reaping-divine-rewards-for-quins-2280244.html


Former Saint's second coming reaping divine rewards for Quins

After eight years in league, Maurie Fa'asavalu is back in union and is proving a big hit with his London club. Chris Hewett hears his story
Leaving aside the obvious â€" Martin Johnson's hoisting of the Webb Ellis Trophy towards the Sydney night sky; the tournament-winning drop goal by Jonny Whatsisname; the sight of John Howard, the prime minister of a beaten Australia, throwing medals at victorious Englishmen as though he were chucking darts at a photograph of his political arch-rival â€" the 2003 World Cup produced more than its share of unforgettable moments.
Two of them were provided by Samoa: Semo Sititi's great try against the eventual champions in Melbourne and Brian Lima's eye-watering tackle on the Springbok outside-half Derick Hougaard in Brisbane. Hougaard plays for Saracens these days, but is currently injured. Put it down to the aftershock.
The thing no one remembers is that Maurie Fa'asavalu played an important role in both of these wondrous occurrences. "If you look at the tape, you'll see me giving Semo the scoring pass," he says, quietly but proudly. "And I remember everything about the tackle, because I was standing very close. The South African scrum-half tried to make a break, but I was in a good position to shut him down. He saw me coming, lobbed a pass to the player outside him and Brian flattened him." Has he ever witnessed a harder hit? Fa'asavalu chuckles softly as he considers his reply. "Let's put it this way," he says, finally. "The guy didn't get up for a while."


Over the last few weeks, Fa'asavalu has been watering a few eyes on behalf of Harlequins, by way of proving that it is possible for a union man to spend the best years of his career playing league â€" a game in which flankers do not exist â€" without compromising his instinctive grasp of back-row fundamentals in the 15-man code. Eight years ago, as a young seven-a-side specialist with the grand total of three international caps to his name, he performed so jaw-droppingly well throughout his country's four-match World Cup campaign that connoisseurs thought they were watching the new Pat Lam, the next Apollo Perelini or another Junior Paramore - or maybe all three, rolled into one.
What they were actually watching was a man who would be lost to the sport within weeks of the tournament's end. "Back then, I was still playing my rugby in Apia, where I was born," Fa'asavalu recalls. "I loved it there, but as there was no chance of a professional contract in the islands, I went to the World Cup knowing that this was my window, my chance of exposure. After the tournament I had a chat with Biarritz, but even though they said they were interested, nothing happened. The people who seemed really keen were St Helens, but apart from the odd game at school, I had no experience of league. I wasn't too sure about it, so I asked them to hang on a bit.
"I went off to Dubai with the Samoa sevens team and thought no more of it. One day, I returned to my hotel room to find seven messages from the St Helens guy, asking what was going on. I hadn't even given him my number! He'd rung my parents back home, and they'd told him to phone the offices of the Samoan union. That was how he found me. From that moment, I felt wanted. I didn't have an agent, but there was a lawyer in New Zealand who was helping me out. I told them to send him the contract, and I signed just before Christmas."
Fa'asavalu spent eight years with St Helens, who ran him as a prop. The first 12 months were difficult â€" "I was lost; I just didn't get it," he admits â€" but when the Australian coach Daniel Anderson arrived in 2005, things changed. "Daniel said to me: 'If you agree to stay here, I'll teach you to play,'" he continues. "That was the deal he offered, and I put my faith in him. From then on, I started to achieve. We won everything there was to win in 2006 and reached the Super League final every year after that." Fa'asavalu was picked for Great Britain against New Zealand in 2007, scoring a try within five minutes of taking the field, and won three caps for England.
So what happened? Why return to union now, as a thirtysomething with an awful lot of hard league miles on the body clock? "Right through my league career, I always watched union whenever I could," he responds. "There came a point at the end of the last season when I took out my medals, put them on the table and said to myself: 'They're all from league. I have nothing to show for my days in union.' I thought it would be good to give the old game another go, just to see what might happen."
Enter Conor O'Shea, the Harlequins rugby director, who signed Fa'asavalu last July, while the Samoan was recovering from shoulder surgery. It may prove the cleverest piece of business conducted by any Premiership club since the Londoners lured the All Black outside-half Nick Evans away from New Zealand three years ago. Certainly, the Samoan's recent performances, especially in the Amlin Challenge Cup, have been monstrously effective. If the hard men of Munster, beaten in the semi-final of that competition before the disbelieving eyes of their own supporters in Limerick, ever see Fa'asavalu again, it will be several centuries too soon.
"I was attracted to Harlequins because they like to move the ball and play a fast game," says the flanker, who, worryingly for Saracens, is every bit as motivated for this afternoon's final regular-season Premiership game at the Stoop as he was for last weekend's raid on Thomond Park. "My days in league made me more confident because it made me stronger: if you're soft, there's no way you can play that game. But I still like to play my union the way I did back in 2003. I was a lot younger then, but this feels as new to me.
"When you experience something like last week's occasion, you can't wait for the next match. I'd watched enough union during my time at St Helens to know all about Munster's reputation, about how hard it was meant to be to win over there, but we prepared very specifically and put our plans into effect from the first whistle, which was satisfying. The place was a sea of red, but every now and again I could see patches of Harlequins colours in the crowd. And at the end, of course, our supporters stayed in the ground when everyone else was leaving. To see only Harlequins shirts at a place like Thomond Park â€" that's the kind of thing you remember all your life."
All of which leads to the key question: will Fa'asavalu play a full season for the Londoners next term, or will he commit to a second tour of World Cup duty with Samoa, eight years after his first? The islanders are not exactly bereft in the back-row department â€" the combination of Ofisa Treviranus, Manaia Salavea and George Stowers gave England all the trouble they could handle as recently as last November â€" but it would take a very brave coach to ignore the claim of the new Harlequins folk hero, assuming he decides to stake one.
"Even though I played league for England, the rules say I can still play union for Samoa," he confirms. "At the moment, I'm not sure what the situation is. The Samoan officials came over three or four weeks ago and talked with the people at Quins, but I haven't been given any details. While my main commitment is to the club, it's always a privilege to play for your country. This is a new situation for me. If everyone agrees and the selectors want me, I would love to play at another World Cup. There again, I may not be picked. The coach is naming his squad early next month, so we'll have to wait and see."
It would be an unexpected bonus to see him in New Zealand in September, taking on the Wallabies and the Welsh â€" not to mention his South Seas cousins from Fiji. "It's a tough pool," he says with a soft smile. "Just like 2003." Agreed. And look what happened then.
 
Yeah, I watched him over the last several weeks and it totally slipped my mind to mention him. I'd have him in the squad for sure.

Back then, I never thought Sititi would've had a backrow partner who could keep up with him. Sititi had been tearing it up on his own for a few years with no help, and then came Faasavalu, and they were doing a Ryu and Ken at the World Cup. A shame that duo only lasted a few games.
 
Yeah, I watched him over the last several weeks and it totally slipped my mind to mention him. I'd have him in the squad for sure.

Back then, I never thought Sititi would've had a backrow partner who could keep up with him. Sititi had been tearing it up on his own for a few years with no help, and then came Faasavalu, and they were doing a Ryu and Ken at the World Cup. A shame that duo only lasted a few games.
Very unfortunate and very well put with the Ryu and Ken analogy. As happy as I am to see a Samoan succeed, as he did in his career in league for St Helens and representing Englands national side, I was always disapointed to see him go from Union and being lost to the Manu. But now, even though he is a spent force, he has returned to union and is playing well atm for Harlequins. He has revealed his intientions to play at the next world cup willing that there is a spot for him in Samoas Squad and that he can secure a release from his club.

Found this article regarding Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu. Dont know what he has said but Im hopeing this is not the case. He has alot to offer for Samoa either at centre or at first five and I hear he has been playing really well in the Aviva Premiership for Gloucester.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/my_club/gloucester/9481549.stm
Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu fears Rugby World Cup omission
Gloucester's Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu feels he will miss this year's Rugby World Cup because he is too outspoken.
The 30-year-old centre was a key figure for Samoa during the 2007 tournament in France when he was used as a fly-half.
"I can't get in to the Samoan team because I speak up," Fuimaono-Sapolu told BBC Radio Gloucestershire.
"It doesn't bother me, I finally got my first break after five years at the end of last season and I think it's helped my rugby this season."
Fuimaono-Sapolu, who is a qualified solicitor, has been a key figure in Gloucester's season, playing 27 games so far.
He was voted the Cherry and Whites' player of the season by both his team-mates and the club's season ticket holders.
Samoa's loss would be Gloucester's gain if he stays with his club during the World Cup in September and October but insists he would play if asked.
"If it happens, great. I would love to represent my people, I'd love to go out there [New Zealand] and play rugby, but I'm not expecting it to happen to be honest," Fuimaono-Sapolu said.
 
15 - Paul Williams
14 - Alesana Tuilagai
13 - Seilala Mapusua
12 - Eliota Sapolu
11 - Sailosi Tagicakibau
10 - Tasesa Lavea
9 - Kahn Fotuali'i
8 - Henry Tuilagi
7 - Jack Lam
6 - Maurie Fa'asavalu
5 - Joe Tekori
4 - Chris Lowrey
3 - Census Johnston
2 - Ti'i Paulo
1 - Anthony Perenise

Reserves:
Sakaria Taulafo, Mahonri Schwalgar, Steve Fualau, James Afoa, Filipo Levi, Peter Saili, Filo Paulo, Jack Lam, Serge Lilo, Faifili Levave, Kane Thompson, George Stowers, Daniel Leo, Jonathan Faamatuainu, Junior Polu, Uale Mai, Fa'atonu Fili, George Pisi, Gavin Williams, David Lemi, Lolo Lui, Elvis Seveali'i, Alapati Leiua, Mikaele Pesamino.
 
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Eliota Fuimaono Sapolu has been looking world class this yr judging by the tries hes scoring. Be shame if hes not selected. Sapolu, Mapusua, Tuilagi, Tagicakibau would be a real mean backline to watch. The game against Fiji should be EPIC.
 
Fuimaono-Sapolu is good, and would be in the Samoa squad but he is not indispensable

Samoa have Mapusua, Pisi, Williams and Seveali'i as other centre options
 
15 - Paul Williams
14 - Alesana Tuilagai
13 - Seilala Mapusua
12 - Eliota Sapolu
11 - Sailosi Tagicakibau
10 - Tasesa Lavea
9 - Kahn Fotuali'i
8 - Henry Tuilagi
7 - Jack Lam
6 - Maurie Fa'asavalu
5 - Joe Tekori
4 - Chris Lowrey
3 - Census Johnston
2 - Ti'i Paulo
1 - Anthony Perenise

Reserves:
Sakaria Taulafo, Mahonri Schwalgar, Steve Fualau, James Afoa, Filipo Levi, Peter Saili, Filo Paulo, Jack Lam, Serge Lilo, Faifili Levave, Kane Thompson, George Stowers, Daniel Leo, Jonathan Faamatuainu, Junior Polu, Uale Mai, Fa'atonu Fili, George Pisi, Gavin Williams, David Lemi, Lolo Lui, Elvis Seveali'i, Alapati Leiua, Mikaele Pesamino.

I look at this team and I think to myself 'TO THE TOP!'

Ia e faatafa ma e soso ese!!!! LOOK OUT :)
 
I look at this team and I think to myself 'TO THE TOP!'

Ia e faatafa ma e soso ese!!!! LOOK OUT :)

If we can field a team like that, get organized and sufficiently prepare soo our team has enough time to get familiar and gel together...SKY IS THE LIMIT to how deep this team can o in the world cup. Quarter finals is achievable with beyond that...unlikely but possible...
 
Personally I'd be surprised if George Pisi wasn't partnered with Mapasua in the midfield. I'm not a big fan of Helleur as his distribution is poor - he generally just tucks the ball under his arm and runs straight (and rumor has it he is quitting international rugby in any case). Another who may come into contention in the midfield is Josh Tatupu - he's a strong runner, but he doesn't tend to pass that ball, which is not what you need when you have the outside backs that Samoa have...

just a side note Jamie pretty much used Samoa to get a contract in the UK now hes got it he probobly wont go back there
 
Eliota's omission was well documented last year, but I was hoping they could overlook it for World Cup year, especially with the way he's been playing.

15 - Paul Williams
14 - Alesana Tuilagai
13 - Seilala Mapusua
12 - Eliota Sapolu
11 - Sailosi Tagicakibau
10 - Tasesa Lavea
9 - Kahn Fotuali'i
8 - Henry Tuilagi
7 - Jack Lam
6 - Maurie Fa'asavalu
5 - Joe Tekori
4 - Chris Lowrey
3 - Census Johnston
2 - Ti'i Paulo
1 - Anthony Perenise

Reserves:
Sakaria Taulafo, Mahonri Schwalgar, Steve Fualau, James Afoa, Filipo Levi, Peter Saili, Filo Paulo, Jack Lam, Serge Lilo, Faifili Levave, Kane Thompson, George Stowers, Daniel Leo, Jonathan Faamatuainu, Junior Polu, Uale Mai, Fa'atonu Fili, George Pisi, Gavin Williams, David Lemi, Lolo Lui, Elvis Seveali'i, Alapati Leiua, Mikaele Pesamino.
That pack has a real imbalance to it; a lot of ball carriers, but only one real grafter, that's asking for a hiding to be honest. The pack last year was awesome; the best I've seen a Samoan pack play in the professional era, so I wouldn't expect too many changes there.
 
15 - Paul Williams
14 - Alesana Tuilagai
13 - Seilala Mapusua
12 - Eliota Sapolu
11 - Sailosi Tagicakibau
10 - Tasesa Lavea
9 - Kahn Fotuali'i
8 - Henry Tuilagi
7 - Jack Lam
6 - Maurie Fa'asavalu
5 - Joe Tekori
4 - Chris Lowrey
3 - Census Johnston
2 - Ti'i Paulo
1 - Anthony Perenise

Reserves:
Sakaria Taulafo, Mahonri Schwalgar, Steve Fualau, James Afoa, Filipo Levi, Peter Saili, Filo Paulo, Jack Lam, Serge Lilo, Faifili Levave, Kane Thompson, George Stowers, Daniel Leo, Jonathan Faamatuainu, Junior Polu, Uale Mai, Fa'atonu Fili, George Pisi, Gavin Williams, David Lemi, Lolo Lui, Elvis Seveali'i, Alapati Leiua, Mikaele Pesamino.

I look at that team and think, 39 players...
 
A loose Trio of Ofisa, Alafoti and Tuilagi would be dangerous... I know.. too much 7s fanboyishness.

Few years back Iosefa Taina was the only real pilferer Samoa had.. Too bad he is too old nowadays..

I wonder if any samoans remember him.
 
A loose Trio of Ofisa, Alafoti and Tuilagi would be dangerous... I know.. too much 7s fanboyishness.

Few years back Iosefa Taina was the only real pilferer Samoa had.. Too bad he is too old nowadays..

I wonder if any samoans remember him.
I remember him. The old Manu Samoa website used to refer to him as 'Taina Mccaw'. he was good but not great.. Would disappear on the field at times though during some of the November tours.
 
A loose Trio of Ofisa, Alafoti and Tuilagi would be dangerous... I know.. too much 7s fanboyishness.

Few years back Iosefa Taina was the only real pilferer Samoa had.. Too bad he is too old nowadays..

I wonder if any samoans remember him.

I would like to see Henry Tuilagi,Jack Lam and Alex Tulou as a loosie combo...
 
6. Chris Lowrie / Fa'afili Levave (If available) / Ezra Taylor, 7. Jack Lam / Serge Lilo, 8. Peter Saili (If available) / Henry Tuilagi
 
6. Chris Lowrie / Fa'afili Levave (If available) / Ezra Taylor, 7. Jack Lam / Serge Lilo, 8. Peter Saili (If available) / Henry Tuilagi
You wouldnt consider Maurie Fa'asavalu at 6 or even George Stowers? Maurie has been playing very well lately for Harlequins soo I think he should be up there competing for the starting job aswell George Stowers at 6 and Ofisa Treviranus at 7.
 
can somebody tell me if any of Johnny Leota, Taputoa Rea, Herman Porter or Chris Slade are good

if not, which 2 players are the best from them

also can somebody tell me if Ahsee Tuala is being considered as a full back

and finally is it true Gavin Williams has a long term injury, and will miss the RWC through injury
 

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