Salary Cap Investigations

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Sorry ! Why is the pic so large? I tried to make it a thumbnail???
This was the post that i saw, might be incorrect though...

I can't find that anywhere. The only criteria for promotion I can see is that they meet the salary cap at the time of promotion.

 

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I can't find that anywhere. The only criteria for promotion I can see is that they meet the salary cap at the time of promotion.

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[powerfulduck]

At least the increased attention on the championship may help those clubs financially

 

[Scotty]

Can wray legally go into business with sarries players now seen as he is no longer part of the club? Not saying he will but if he dod would there be repercussions?

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Soooooooo........
What's gonna happen with Farrell, Vunipolas, Daly, Itoje etc.etc.

Apparently Faz said at the squad meeting that he'd be staying.

I wouldn't have expected anything else TBH, but maximum marks for loyalty. That's real leadership.

 

[The Seeker]

Premiership came down hard on the Saracens, as they should have.

http://www.americasrugbynews.com/2020/01/18/saracens-officially-relegated-from-premiership/?fbclid=IwAR08Kq0CdciqTEpFdR70zLs9-lkoAFuTnbh2JFuuRpoR1NEcJ4rUw4Ag_L0

 

[TheSaffycen]

I don't understand why we got the option to show the books or get relegated? Surely you should have to show the books, not draw a line through it and then it's all just settled.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Unless they move away from London, then the RFU can. In the same way they could have stopped the potential moves of London Scottish and London Welsh when they were mooting the idea.

Under what authority? Genuine question - what is it that gives them that power, something in UK law, IR rules, what?

 

[TRF_heineken]

Wow, I didn't expect to see them get relegated so soon... I thought they were still in with a fighting chance to accumulate some points?

But would this relegation mean that they won't play premiership rugby for the following 2 seasons at least? Would they be in a financial position to survive that long a period in the 2nd tier league?

 

[Which Tyler]

Under what authority? Genuine question - what is it that gives them that power, something in UK law, IR rules, what?

I'm going by memory here, from the talk when London Scottish and London Welsh wanted to join.
Under WR regulations, the local authority is the authority locally. So far as long as you want to play in England, you come under the RFU's jurisdiction. Even when Sarries took their games to Belgium, or USA; they needed authority from the Belgian / US union.

 

[bushytop]

Wow, I didn't expect to see them get relegated so soon... I thought they were still in with a fighting chance to accumulate some points?

But would this relegation mean that they won't play premiership rugby for the following 2 seasons at least? Would they be in a financial position to survive that long a period in the 2nd tier league?

That is being mooted as there seems to be a rule that in order to gain promotion to the Premiership, a club has to have complied with the salary cap for at least two years. So the fact that this season has also been a fail (on top of the last 2 or 3) they'd be starting from scratch at the start of next season (as long as they worked to the cap from then of course).

 

[TRF_heineken]

That is being mooted as there seems to be a rule that in order to gain promotion to the Premiership, a club has to have complied with the salary cap for at least two years. So the fact that this season has also been a fail (on top of the last 2 or 3) they'd be starting from scratch at the start of next season (as long as they worked to the cap from then of course).

Interesting.

I wonder how long the loyalties will last...

 

[Every Time Ref]

I'm going by memory here, from the talk when London Scottish and London Welsh wanted to join.
Under WR regulations, the local authority is the authority locally. So far as long as you want to play in England, you come under the RFU's jurisdiction. Even when Sarries took their games to Belgium, or USA; they needed authority from the Belgian / US union.

Gotcha. Thanks

 

[Which Tyler]

That is being mooted as there seems to be a rule that in order to gain promotion to the Premiership, a club has to have complied with the salary cap for at least two years. So the fact that this season has also been a fail (on top of the last 2 or 3) they'd be starting from scratch at the start of next season (as long as they worked to the cap from then of course).

Yeah, I must say, the 2 years thing was news to me from previously reading the regulations in detail. I'd though that salaries were simply smoothed to avoid the front loading.
Mind, there's also talk about the salary cap regulations being gone over and tightened up - I would suspect that this part of it might be looked at, and lostened a little. Or, of course, they might decide to go even stricter on it to stick the boot in - who knows what the mega-wealthy do when they're pissed off with one of their own?

 

[Every Time Ref]

I reckon there's a chance the cap will be increased immediately to enable other clubs to snap up Sarries' England players instead of losing them abroad.

 

[Which Tyler]

I reckon there's a chance the cap will be increased immediately to enable other clubs to snap up Sarries' England players instead of losing them abroad.

Also wouldn't surprise me - it's also been static for a bit, so due a rise; whilst others could make a good argument that our only club who was properly competing in Europe was spending £2M above the cap, so if everyone were allowed that, we'd be more competitive.
£400k increase would surely allow all of Sarries' top players to be spread about the prem; even meaning that the lower-spending clubs would have a more realistic chance of securing one of the better-paid talents (eg Fazlet rumoured to be on £750, so a club would still be out of reach for a club spending up to the cap - unless he takes a much-needed pay cut)
Cue immediate wage inflation for the top players, and not learning better lessons about quality of depth.

If they are going to look at that stuff - I'd favour a better system for academy credits - isn't it £20k each for up to 12 players, with an upper age limit on what counts as "academy product"? Just make it a straight 10% of that player's salary can be excluded from the cap (so long as that player was in your academy system by their 18th birthday and continually part of the club) no upper limits, no age limits; just enough that you get rewarded for growing your own, and that if someone else wants a player you want to keep, they have to pay over the odds for them.

 

[Every Time Ref]

I'd even go so far as to decrease the salary cap but say academy products don't count, full stop. Really make it worthwhile investing in academies.

I'm not that financially savvy so there's probably all sorts wrong I haven't thought of with going quite so extreme, but you get the picture.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

One way of controlling it might be to put a ceiling on what individual players can earn. If you've got a squad of 40 with one player swallowing 10% of the cap it doesn't take a genius to work out there will be resultant pressures and with pressures come temptations to push rules.

I also find the concept of marquee players outside the cap totally bizarre.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Do the club's have any say in what the cap is? Obviously they want to succeed in Europe but are playing with one hand tied behind their back against most the French clubs and us. (Ster (Leinster))

The problem being that the PRL don't care about Europe and a competitive league with a lot of contenders and a relegation battle is on their best interest.

 

[Which Tyler]

Do the club's have any say in what the cap is? Obviously they want to succeed in Europe but are playing with one hand tied behind their back against most the French clubs and us. (Ster (Leinster))

The problem being that the PRL don't care about Europe and a competitive league with a lot of contenders and a relegation battle is on their best interest.

The cap is set by PRL.
PRL is the 13 clubs