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[RWC2023] Ireland vs Scotland (07/10/2023)

All winning streaks come to an end.
NZ had 17 straight wins in 1965-1969, and it was another forty-five years before they (or anyone) beat that record with a streak of 18 wins. It's incredibly hard to achieve this.
Ireland have won their last 16 games - their longest ever series of wins. In the history of international rugby, only NZ, SA and England have ever won more games in a row. Long winning streaks are exceptional.
 
All winning streaks come to an end.
NZ had 17 straight wins in 1965-1969, and it was another forty-five years before they (or anyone) beat that record with a streak of 18 wins. It's incredibly hard to achieve this.
Ireland have won their last 16 games - their longest ever series of wins. In the history of international rugby, only NZ, SA and England have ever won more games in a row. Long winning streaks are exceptional.
I am happy with just 4 more.
 
I think the question of pressure is definitely relevant but I have a feeling it will be later in the competition that this will be tested.
Actually, I think it's really only going to be in the qtrs (assuming we beat Scotland). Getting to the semifinal is not getting to the final even with the disparity on each side of the draw, but this team in a semi-final will have been #1 for donkeys years, beaten everyone, topped a group with SA & Scotland and beaten (likely) the All Blacks to get there. I don't think nerves or pressure even come into it at that point, overconfidence is more likely.

Put us at kick off Vs France or SA in Stade de France in the final and I'll conceed there may be a flutter, but, for me, it's all on the quarters.
 
Pressure will mount as the tournament goes on for obvious reasons but the only team where I genuinely think will feel it less than us is France. The only question this team has left to answer is if they can beat France in Paris whereas France don't need to do anything they haven't done before to win this tournament.

NZ have to beat Ireland and possibly France in the NH to get there, 2016 was the last time they did it against Ireland and they didn't get close to France at their last attempt.

SA have to do the same and they haven't in their last three attempts.

I think the margins are so so fine but having credit in the bank and belief based on past achievements goes a long way in the world cup and I give France and Ireland the edge followed by SA. Tiny margins though, I'd say it's not even 60/40 in Ireland's and France's favour to bring the cup home over the SH sides.
 
I think my point is more that the psychological ceiling is the quarters for historical and strength-of-opponent reasons.

Anything after that will feel "easier", though any potential final is probably a coin-toss. We've beaten SA in this competition already, we've beaten France in Paris (ok, it was back in 2018, but it's not like we're going back the 20 years to find that last time Scotlands had the result they need to repeat tomorrow night) and again at home more more recently. I think there'd be a lot more pressure on France to perform in any final.

I have SA beating France in the Quarters in my prediction group to soften the blow (and twist the noses of my colleagues over here), and Ireland beating NZ, but honestly, I'm just looking forward to the next 2 weekends of rugby. It promises to be glorious. Hell, even if Scotland somehow win and qualify at our expense, that'll be some story.
 
Pressure will mount as the tournament goes on for obvious reasons but the only team where I genuinely think will feel it less than us is France. The only question this team has left to answer is if they can beat France in Paris whereas France don't need to do anything they haven't done before to win this tournament.

NZ have to beat Ireland and possibly France in the NH to get there, 2016 was the last time they did it against Ireland and they didn't get close to France at their last attempt.

SA have to do the same and they haven't in their last three attempts.

I think the margins are so so fine but having credit in the bank and belief based on past achievements goes a long way in the world cup and I give France and Ireland the edge followed by SA. Tiny margins though, I'd say it's not even 60/40 in Ireland's and France's favour to bring the cup home over the SH sides.
Whilst id prefer England to win it, being realistic id rather see it in the northern hemisphere so happy for France or Ireland, I still have this question mark that if the SA pack(s) bring that extra few percent physically now neither can live with it, I don't like it but cant help but feel it's a real possibility. Based on the support we have seen so far it will be like a home game for either France or Ireland vs SA so would be huge and could make the difference, the other part of me is like we have seen Ireland take on all comers SA very recently so not backing them in that match up seems unfair.
 
Whilst id prefer England to win it, being realistic id rather see it in the northern hemisphere so happy for France or Ireland, I still have this question mark that if the SA pack(s) bring that extra few percent physically now neither can live with it, I don't like it but cant help but feel it's a real possibility. Based on the support we have seen so far it will be like a home game for either France or Ireland vs SA so would be huge and could make the difference, the other part of me is like we have seen Ireland take on all comers SA very recently so not backing them in that match up seems unfair.
I think France are waiting in the long grass for SA. Opening match seems a long time ago now but they were so so clinical and with no one apart from NZ getting any credit for running up scores against terrible defences it's just been forgotten. With their lineout not being as gettable as ours and their ability to work the ball touch line to touch line I think they could be SA's biggest challenge defensively.

I think that'll be the match of the quarter finals by some distance even if Ireland and NZ serve up a cracker. (Provided nothing weird happens tomorrow)
 
I think France are waiting in the long grass for SA. Opening match seems a long time ago now but they were so so clinical and with no one apart from NZ getting any credit for running up scores against terrible defences it's just been forgotten. With their lineout not being as gettable as ours and their ability to work the ball touch line to touch line I think they could be SA's biggest challenge defensively.

I think that'll be the match of the quarter finals by some distance even if Ireland and NZ serve up a cracker. (Provided nothing weird happens tomorrow)
I've said it before and I'll say it again I think the world rankings currently reflect things very well, forgetting individual places top 3 are pretty much untouchable by those below outside of issues of their own making, those 3 could probably beat each other any given day and I can't see any of them with better than a 6 -10 wins if they repeatedly played each other. Out of curiosity do you think Leinsters end of season falling over at the last hurdle will serve them as a learning curve and something to rectify or play on their minds, obvious there are individuals like POM which could add some balance and outside of the Leinster setup.
 
better than a 6 -10 wins if they repeatedly played each other
My only argument to this is I don't think 1/10 games France goes nuts and score try's for fun. Recent history shows you have to score a minimum of 20 point to beat them. Both Ireland and SA scored over 20 in Stade de France and still lost.

I expect tight games just with France I think eventually they'll have a game where they just are unplayable.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again I think the world rankings currently reflect things very well, forgetting individual places top 3 are pretty much untouchable by those below outside of issues of their own making, those 3 could probably beat each other any given day and I can't see any of them with better than a 6 -10 wins if they repeatedly played each other. Out of curiosity do you think Leinsters end of season falling over at the last hurdle will serve them as a learning curve and something to rectify or play on their minds, obvious there are individuals like POM which could add some balance and outside of the Leinster setup.
I think Leinster's loss was more down to systems failures than anything else. It was clear inability to exit from a team that didn't really need exit plays all year. I think it'll be added motivation for the Leinster guys but the on pitch stuff is very different. POM, Beirne, Hansen and the bench options make a big big difference.
 
Yeah but if Leinster sees bougarait on the pitch they'll **** their pants. Or their bumholes will be clenched in fear of his fingers?
 
Ben White dropped (probably not in top condition since his injury, but who knows) and Horne still does not get a chance to start. I don't mind Price but Horne has been playing lights out but somehow drops down the pecking order? Townsend and scrum halves.

Ireland making strange picks at 2 and 12 might have offered a glimmer of light for Scotland, but it hasn't happened.

i wonder if knowing a 4x try BP guarantees a QF will make Ireland more expansive or if they will try to grind out a relatively low scorer. I think we know the answer to that although I think they will play tight and get the try BP with a second half Scottish slump.

Ireland 32 - 12
 
Does any other union wheel out their players to come out with this sort of stuff? What is the thinking behind these PR exercises for games when games are already sold out?


The Scottish record of backing up gentle smack talk is lamentable.
 
Does any other union wheel out their players to come out with this sort of stuff? What is the thinking behind these PR exercises for games when games are already sold out?


The Scottish record of backing up gentle smack talk is lamentable.
It's nice to see them do it a team other than the English for a change. Although in recent years they have backed that up.

But it did use to be hilarious.
 
It's nice to see them do it a team other than the English for a change. Although in recent years they have backed that up.

But it did use to be hilarious.
They've always done it with us too. Irish pundits who've played in the last 10 or so years are constantly making fun of them for it. When Andrew Trimble is laughing at you mean spiritedly you know it's chronic!

Anyway, looking forward to getting this one out of the way and have a week's break in all the posturing.
 

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