[RWC2019][Semi-Final 1] England vs. New Zealand (26/10/2019)

[bushytop]

Bloody 'ell, what have I ever done to you?

Lol... only yanking your chain Ddanno. Just saw you on the profile pic posted of @Which Tyler and jumped on the band wagon... nothing percy

 

[TRF_heineken]

Why do people always describe things they don't agree with as being Political Correctness? Making that motion with his elbow is making fun of the player who was sent off and in no way is that appropriate for any referee, let alone the one who showed the card.

Don't get me wrong it's not that I'm offended or shocked by it, I don't really care to be honest, but it's a totally stupid thing to do and he can only blame himself.

Actually, Peyper made the same gesture when he sent him off. So Peyper is actually re-enacting what he did.

He was having fun with people actually recognising him, and instead of calling him a crappy referee, took the time to have some fun.

WR is making this a PC thing, not Peyper.

 

[Jer1cho]

i'll agree to disagree.
what jaco does in his own time isnt my business. im more concerned what he does on the field and he's one of the better refs around. not the best but still international quality and amongst the top in the world

The irony is he got axed for a photo after the fact when there have been abysmal displays by referees with nothing happening. Garces was utterly abysmal in the SA NZ game, missing so many calls, and a yellow card/penalty try. Barnes only reffed one side for 40 minutes in our Japan game, missing 2 possible red cards, as well as Irelands Japan game and Skeens displays have been horrendous as well, yet all 3 are involved in 1 semi final. Mind boggling.

 

[MarkyH]

Ah, but that is where you are wrong my friend. Since we last met, a lot has changed for the All Blacks, especially in the back-line.

Going back to last year, we were running a single playmaker set up and still running our stock standard 1-3-3-1 formation. I explained in the Irish thread prior to the match that ever since our EotY tour last year, where our attack had obviously largely been contained and 'found out' (Barrett/MF being stifled and been given no room), Hansen and Foster ripped up the playbook and went to work on creating new formations to unlock rush defences. This has mainly been Foster's project and to his credit, it looks like so far, he has nailed it.

We now have a dual playmaker formation, with Mo'unga coming in at 10 and Barrett dropping to 15. Bless Ben Smith, but Beaudy is working better there now and can play as a 10 if required. On offense we are running at least up to 4-5 different formations, these vary between 3-3-2 and 2-2-3-1 and our traditional 1-3-3-1. This has given some of our new players new ball carrying roles, particularly Read who now works as central pod carrier and Ardie now can be spotted on the wings in a number of formations, the new formations are very hard to set up against defensively. This has taken a number of games to bed in, but Hansen/Foster have timed it well and haven't shown our cards too much in the RC, where it was only really unveiled and rolled out vs Australia in the 2nd Bledisloe game. It has since then been continuing to integrate and has come to fruition in the SA game and executed in the Ireland game.

A few posters are probably tired of hearing about it. But I'm really excited to see it all in action again vs England, because it's brought us back to scoring great tries.

You need to play 4 4 ******* 2 mate

 

[Lé Ddanno]

Lol... only yanking your chain Ddanno. Just saw you on the profile pic posted of @Which Tyler and jumped on the band wagon... nothing percy

Can't wait for this WC to end, all this oversensitivity is getting out of hand!

 

[spartan32]

Ah, but that is where you are wrong my friend. Since we last met, a lot has changed for the All Blacks, especially in the back-line.

Going back to last year, we were running a single playmaker set up and still running our stock standard 1-3-3-1 formation. I explained in the Irish thread prior to the match that ever since our EotY tour last year, where our attack had obviously largely been contained and 'found out' (Barrett/MF being stifled and been given no room), Hansen and Foster ripped up the playbook and went to work on creating new formations to unlock rush defences. This has mainly been Foster's project and to his credit, it looks like so far, he has nailed it.

We now have a dual playmaker formation, with Mo'unga coming in at 10 and Barrett dropping to 15. Bless Ben Smith, but Beaudy is working better there now and can play as a 10 if required. On offense we are running at least up to 4-5 different formations, these vary between 3-3-2 and 2-2-3-1 and our traditional 1-3-3-1. This has given some of our new players new ball carrying roles, particularly Read who now works as central pod carrier and Ardie now can be spotted on the wings in a number of formations, the new formations are very hard to set up against defensively. This has taken a number of games to bed in, but Hansen/Foster have timed it well and haven't shown our cards too much in the RC, where it was only really unveiled and rolled out vs Australia in the 2nd Bledisloe game. It has since then been continuing to integrate and has come to fruition in the SA game and executed in the Ireland game.

A few posters are probably tired of hearing about it. But I'm really excited to see it all in action again vs England, because it's brought us back to scoring great tries.

Nope. Still the same petulant, ungrateful, colonial arrogance. Who the hell do they think they are. Taking our game and taking it to the next level. Quite frankly it's time we gave NZ a dam good thrashing.

the only thing that NZ seem to have done that's new is indulged in illegal genetic experimentation and cloned a chap called Barrett, and because WR is so biased they've let them get away with suggesting they are brothers. Yeah pull the other one

 

[TommiG88]

Heading to the pub for this one. I think drunkest poster is in the bag.

 

[Reiser99]

On the subject of Peyper for me it's simple referees shouldn't be interacting with fans at a world cup tournament in that way. Yes you can't avoid them, but certainly shouldn't be posing for a picture like that about a decision you made earlier that day. The simple reason is because it opens you up to accusations of bias, whether they are true or not. It may have been innocent, but as @Mrs. Peter Quinn said he only has himself to blame. Even if most of you find it harmless, it was still a stupid thing to do.

 

[mania]

The irony is he got axed for a photo after the fact when there have been abysmal displays by referees with nothing happening. Garces was utterly abysmal in the SA NZ game, missing so many calls, and a yellow card/penalty try. Barnes only reffed one side for 40 minutes in our Japan game, missing 2 possible red cards, as well as Irelands Japan game and Skeens displays have been horrendous as well, yet all 3 are involved in 1 semi final. Mind boggling.

frcken agree wholeheartedly. for me skeen is the worst , and 10x that when he's TMO

On the subject of Peyper for me it's simple referees shouldn't be interacting with fans at a world cup tournament in that way. Yes you can't avoid them, but certainly shouldn't be posing for a picture like that about a decision you made earlier that day. The simple reason is because it opens you up to accusations of bias, whether they are true or not. It may have been innocent, but as @Mrs. Peter Quinn said he only has himself to blame. Even if most of you find it harmless, it was still a stupid thing to do.

its harmless meaningless interaction with the public. jaco's human and allowed downtime. Rugby doesnt own him and what he does in his own time is his own business. he hasnt broken any laws. it wouldve been the fans that contrived that photo not jaco. jaco should be judged on his refereeing

 

[Reiser99]

its harmless meaningless interaction with the public. jaco's human and allowed downtime. Rugby doesnt own him and what he does in his own time is his own business. he hasnt broken any laws. it wouldve been the fans that contrived that photo not jaco. jaco should be judged on his refereeing

Of course he's allowed downtime, I just don't think we fans of teams he could referee. As I said, even if it is harmless it opens himself up to accusations of bias. He has to appear completely neutral and pictures like that allow some people to doubt him. As for being judged on his refereeing, well considering that the Wales try is still extremely debatable and then he poses with Welsh fans afterwards it doesn't give a good impression. There are certain jobs where people have to be completely neutral and this is one of them. I see no good reason why he needs to interect with fans on that level. If they spotted him and asked for a picture fine. But a picture mocking the team that just lost the game he officiated is too far.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Of course he's allowed downtime, I just don't think we fans of teams he could referee. As I said, even if it is harmless it opens himself up to accusations of bias. He has to appear completely neutral and pictures like that allow some people to doubt him. As for being judged on his refereeing, well considering that the Wales try is still extremely debatable and then he poses with Welsh fans afterwards it doesn't give a good impression. There are certain jobs where people have to be completely neutral and this is one of them. I see no good reason why he needs to interect with fans on that level. If they spotted him and asked for a picture fine. But a picture mocking the team that just lost the game he officiated is too far.

Completely agree with this, and I would have loved to have Peyper reffing instead of Owens.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Jeez the Jones vs Hansen talking about anything but the game to divert attention off the players is so formulaic that it is tedious. Hopefully the game has a bit more creativity.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Heading to the pub for this one. I think drunkest poster is in the bag.

Tommi the game doesn't kick off until Saturday morning, go easy fella.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Of course he's allowed downtime, I just don't think we fans of teams he could referee. As I said, even if it is harmless it opens himself up to accusations of bias. He has to appear completely neutral and pictures like that allow some people to doubt him. As for being judged on his refereeing, well considering that the Wales try is still extremely debatable and then he poses with Welsh fans afterwards it doesn't give a good impression. There are certain jobs where people have to be completely neutral and this is one of them. I see no good reason why he needs to interect with fans on that level. If they spotted him and asked for a picture fine. But a picture mocking the team that just lost the game he officiated is too far.

Owens himself is being left open for bias. Could be interesting if he hands out a red card and a player gets suspended for the possible final against Wales. I'd have imagined if World Rugby had more strength in depth at referee that they wouldn't have picked a ref from one of the unions contesting the semis.

 

[mania]

Owens himself is being left open for bias. Could be interesting if he hands out a red card and a player gets suspended for the possible final against Wales. I'd have imagined if World Rugby had more strength in depth at referee that they wouldn't have picked a ref from one of the unions contesting the semis.

agree, though i think owens is above this still the accusations could fly if the trolls dont get their result...ie kiwi trolls

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Owens himself is being left open for bias. Could be interesting if he hands out a red card and a player gets suspended for the possible final against Wales. I'd have imagined if World Rugby had more strength in depth at referee that they wouldn't have picked a ref from one of the unions contesting the semis.

Yeah, WR's top 4 refs happened to be from 3 of the 4 countries contesting the semi. One of them ruled himself out for his lack of judgment (bit ironic really). Poite must really not be liked that much if he wasn't promoted as main ref. seeing as he was picked to be one for the 3rd tests of both Lions series in both 2013 and 2017 and what with France being out.

 

[mania]

Jeez the Jones vs Hansen talking about anything but the game to divert attention off the players is so formulaic that it is tedious. Hopefully the game has a bit more creativity.

huh? its all eddie isnt it? hansen has said f'all

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Of course he's allowed downtime, I just don't think we fans of teams he could referee. As I said, even if it is harmless it opens himself up to accusations of bias. He has to appear completely neutral and pictures like that allow some people to doubt him. As for being judged on his refereeing, well considering that the Wales try is still extremely debatable and then he poses with Welsh fans afterwards it doesn't give a good impression. There are certain jobs where people have to be completely neutral and this is one of them. I see no good reason why he needs to interect with fans on that level. If they spotted him and asked for a picture fine. But a picture mocking the team that just lost the game he officiated is too far.

I have no reason to doubt his impartiality and it's great he was interacting with fans. I doubt he said "I know what would make a great pic that can be plastered all over the web".....chances are some p*ssed up Welsh fans pushed and pushed him to do it.

But whatever the truth he still shouldn't have done it. I read precisely nothing into it except that the guy's a 24 carat moron for not realising the consequences of social media. I mean, really......

And he can have a red card from me, without TMO referral, for hijacking this thread.

 

[mania]

Of course he's allowed downtime, I just don't think we fans of teams he could referee. As I said, even if it is harmless it opens himself up to accusations of bias. He has to appear completely neutral and pictures like that allow some people to doubt him. As for being judged on his refereeing, well considering that the Wales try is still extremely debatable and then he poses with Welsh fans afterwards it doesn't give a good impression. There are certain jobs where people have to be completely neutral and this is one of them. I see no good reason why he needs to interect with fans on that level. If they spotted him and asked for a picture fine. But a picture mocking the team that just lost the game he officiated is too far.

he's just a rugby ref, and rugby is just a game. refs as well as players should be available to the public.
refs more so cos they never get any love and are always being bagged for some decision or other. it was nice of the fans to want to pose with jaco.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

huh? its all eddie isnt it? hansen has said f'all

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https://www.planetrugby.com/steve-hansen-wants-european-u-turn-on-nations-championship/

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