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RWC Semi Final: New Zealand - Australia (16-10-2011, 21:00)

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In all reality though, go hard Mr. Donald. NZ really has your back, for now...

Do we really? Facebook seems to be going wild with anti-Donald carry on. One thing I really hate about our fans, is there are always a phenomenal number of those who just jump on the 'proud All Blacks fan' bandwagon when it suits them but dog the hell out of the AB's when they lose or don't even bother following them for a majority of their games.
 
Do we really? Facebook seems to be going wild with anti-Donald carry on. One thing I really hate about our fans, is there are always a phenomenal number of those who just jump on the 'proud All Blacks fan' bandwagon when it suits them but dog the hell out of the AB's when they lose or don't even bother following them for a majority of their games.

I'd like to think so. From as far as I can tell most of the Donald pics are in good humour and pretty funny at that. There will always be fans who jump on and off the bandwagon when it suits but this goes for any team in every sport.
 
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I'd like to think so. From as far as I can tell most of the Donald picks are in good humour and pretty funny at that. There will always be fans who jump on and off the bandwagon when it suits but this goes for any team in every sport.

Yeah some are rather funny, but it really doesn't seem to me like that many people are behind him, at least not from the vibe I get around uni and the like. I just hope those that have tickets to the game on Sunday are. My barber was saying to me this morning he hopes Donald doesn't go on Facebook, it'll kill his confidence haha
 
Somebody has probably mentionned it already but Mac Alister is on fire for Toulouse in the top 14, can't believe they have not called him back after Carter/Slade injuries.
I think it is somehow a misplaced form of pride and/or arrogance, you should take your best players whichever clubs they are playing for.
 
Somebody has probably mentionned it already but Mac Alister is on fire for Toulouse in the top 14, can't believe they have not called him back after Carter/Slade injuries.
I think it is somehow a misplaced form of pride and/or arrogance, you should take your best players whichever clubs they are playing for.

You can't play for the All Blacks if you play overseas. If McAlister wasn't a sook, he'd be in the team right now.
 
ah it's not as bad as some think. I think we're lucky to have a player who has 20odd caps and is pretty solid defensively to call up on when he is the fourth best first five. Hopefully NZ get behind him and the whole team and Donald closes this one out :D


Somebody has probably mentionned it already but Mac Alister is on fire for Toulouse in the top 14, can't believe they have not called him back after Carter/Slade injuries.
I think it is somehow a misplaced form of pride and/or arrogance, you should take your best players whichever clubs they are playing for.

We'd have Nick Evans if we could have anyone from overseas. McAlister is a sook and deserves to never wear the black jersey ever again. Maybe next world cup they may have something in the fine print so overseas players can join the AB world cup squad. Doubt it though.
 
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Yeah Mcalister showed his true colours with his behaviour. Its just fitting how its all worked out imo kind of funny actually. He was terrabad in his last WC game anyway.

I was also worried earlier in the week but now that i see the team on paper im pretty confident i cant see how these guys wont be up for this game. Win this and wales or france will really struggle against us.
 
We'd have Nick Evans if we could have anyone from overseas. McAlister is a sook and deserves to never wear the black jersey ever again. Maybe next world cup they may have something in the fine print so overseas players can join the AB world cup squad. Doubt it though.

I agree with the decision to keep players representing NH clubs away from the All Blacks. The problem is that there is no real way of comparing the quality between Northern and Southern Hemisphere competitions. NH rugby is arguably weaker in pace and tempo which is why SH players do so well. But just because players like Nick Evans might be playing considerably well in Europe it doesn't mean that form would translate if they were to come home. In fact, he would probably appear to be more average if he returned to the Super 15. I'm not saying he would be average, but with so many like players in Super rugby he would have to up his game to get back into the swing of the SH style again. That leads onto another vital point - I believe these players loose a lot of their up tempo qualities playing in Europe.

The other point is that you would be bringing certain players into a national side where they have had no experience either playing with, or against, the other guys in that team. The advangtage about having all out players in one place (albeit split into 5 teams) is that they get familiar with eachother's game considerably well and the combinations will then develop in those 5 sides. In addition, they would be playing against the best players in the world which can only be a bonus.
 
Somebody has probably mentionned it already but Mac Alister is on fire for Toulouse in the top 14, can't believe they have not called him back after Carter/Slade injuries. I think it is somehow a misplaced form of pride and/or arrogance, you should take your best players whichever clubs they are playing for.



Donald would be a god in the top 14 (If you take in to account the best players have been at the world cup especially) lol, doesn't mean much really. McAlistair is a sook anyway.
 
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Somebody has probably mentionned it already but Mac Alister is on fire for Toulouse in the top 14, can't believe they have not called him back after Carter/Slade injuries.
I think it is somehow a misplaced form of pride and/or arrogance, you should take your best players whichever clubs they are playing for.

I can believe it. I thought of him for a split second when Carter was ruled out but only after Cruden. Hes a bad role model we don't need the young players here in NZ looking up to.
 
I agree with the decision to keep players representing NH clubs away from the All Blacks. The problem is that there is no real way of comparing the quality between Northern and Southern Hemisphere competitions. NH rugby is arguably weaker in pace and tempo which is why SH players do so well. But just because players like Nick Evans might be playing considerably well in Europe it doesn't mean that form would translate if they were to come home. In fact, he would probably appear to be more average if he returned to the Super 15. I'm not saying he would be average, but with so many like players in Super rugby he would have to up his game to get back into the swing of the SH style again. That leads onto another vital point - I believe these players loose a lot of their up tempo qualities playing in Europe.

The other point is that you would be bringing certain players into a national side where they have had no experience either playing with, or against, the other guys in that team. The advangtage about having all out players in one place (albeit split into 5 teams) is that they get familiar with eachother's game considerably well and the combinations will then develop in those 5 sides. In addition, they would be playing against the best players in the world which can only be a bonus.

Yeah pretty much agree there. Interesting article on this sort of subject for those that are interested, or bored.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...lacks-eligibility-rules-simply-have-to-change
 
Somebody has probably mentionned it already but Mac Alister is on fire for Toulouse in the top 14, can't believe they have not called him back after Carter/Slade injuries.
I think it is somehow a misplaced form of pride and/or arrogance, you should take your best players whichever clubs they are playing for.

He was meant to be on fire when he arrived in France in 2007...he came back and sucked...even managed to lose a test for us against France...he has been bleh at S15 level and ITM....he goes back to France and is on fire again....on fire at Toulouse does not translate to on fire in NZ.
 
Yeah pretty much agree there. Interesting article on this sort of subject for those that are interested, or bored.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...lacks-eligibility-rules-simply-have-to-change

Interesting read. I still can't agree that pulling players from the Northern Hemisphere will be benificial to a side like the All Blacks who are able to dip into a ridiculously large pool of talent based here in New Zealand anyway. The only way I can see the overthrow of the eligability law being an advantage (and it was touched on in that article) is when we consider the current WC situation and how we're stretching for first-fives.

I don't agree with the coaching logic though (or lack of logic,) I think it's stupid.
 
If New Zealand players could still make the All Blacks while playing in the NH then Kiwi players would be heading north in droves for better money. Having to stay here to be an All Black is a big incentive for players not to leave. I hope they don't change the rule
 
It's all for the ITM Cup. If players move to Europe now, they cannot represent the national team. If that rule changes, the ITM Cup drops to a level of the Currie Cup First Division, simply because every player will move to Europe to make a decent buck or 2.

In South Africa the rules are a bit more lenient. Guys like Francois Steyn and Ruan Pienaar are called up despite playing in Europe, but that's because of the lack of quality players in those positions but others won't be called up because we have good enough options.

Schalk Brits (Bismarck du Plessis)
BJ Botha (Jannie du Plessis)
Neil de Kock (Francois Hougaard, Fourie du Preez)
Brent Russell

These players could easily play in the Bok team but we have equal, or sometimes even better, options for their positions.

It's the reason the Currie Cup and ITM Cup still are quality competitions and I am happy for that
 
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[TR][TD] New Zealand [/TD][TD] [/TD][TD] Australia [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Israel Dagg [/TD][TD] 15 [/TD][TD] Kurtley Beale [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Cory Jane [/TD][TD] 14 [/TD][TD] James O'Connor [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Conrad Smith [/TD][TD] 13 [/TD][TD] Adam Ashley-Cooper [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Ma'a Nonu [/TD][TD] 12 [/TD][TD] Pat McCabe [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Richard Kahui [/TD][TD] 11 [/TD][TD] Digby Ioane [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Aaron Cruden [/TD][TD] 10 [/TD][TD] Quade Cooper [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Piri Weepu [/TD][TD] 9 [/TD][TD] Will Genia [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Kieran Read [/TD][TD] 8 [/TD][TD] Radike Samo [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Richie McCaw [/TD][TD] 7 [/TD][TD] David Pocock [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Jerome Kaino [/TD][TD] 6 [/TD][TD] Rocky Elsom [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Brad Thorn [/TD][TD] 5 [/TD][TD] James Horwill (c) [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Sam Whitelock [/TD][TD] 4 [/TD][TD] Dan Vickerman [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Owen Franks [/TD][TD] 3 [/TD][TD] Ben Alexander [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Keven Mealamu [/TD][TD] 2 [/TD][TD] Stephen Moore [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Tony Woodcock [/TD][TD] 1 [/TD][TD] Sekope Kepu [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] [/TD][TD] [/TD][TD] [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Andrew Hore [/TD][TD] 16 [/TD][TD] Tatafu Polota-Nau [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Ben Franks [/TD][TD] 17 [/TD][TD] James Slipper [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Ali Williams [/TD][TD] 18 [/TD][TD] Rob Simmons [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Victor Vito [/TD][TD] 19 [/TD][TD] Ben McCalman [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Andy Ellis [/TD][TD] 20 [/TD][TD] Luke Burgess [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Stephen Donald [/TD][TD] 21 [/TD][TD] Berrick Barnes [/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD] Sonny Bill Williams [/TD][TD] 22 [/TD][TD] Anthony Faingaa [/TD][/TR]
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It's all for the ITM Cup. If players move to Europe now, they cannot represent the national team. If that rule changes, the ITM Cup drops to a level of the Currie Cup First Division, simply because every player will move to Europe to make a decent buck or 2.

I agree with this. The "no foreign-based players" clause is for the good of rugby in New Zealand. It's arguable whether it's good, bad, or neutral for the national team, but it most certainly keeps the ITM Cup and New Zealand's Super 15 teams at a higher level than if the policy weren't in place.
 
I agree with the decision to keep players representing NH clubs away from the All Blacks. The problem is that there is no real way of comparing the quality between Northern and Southern Hemisphere competitions. NH rugby is arguably weaker in pace and tempo which is why SH players do so well. But just because players like Nick Evans might be playing considerably well in Europe it doesn't mean that form would translate if they were to come home. In fact, he would probably appear to be more average if he returned to the Super 15. I'm not saying he would be average, but with so many like players in Super rugby he would have to up his game to get back into the swing of the SH style again. That leads onto another vital point - I believe these players loose a lot of their up tempo qualities playing in Europe.

What you forget easily and what all SH forget easily is that a SH player is playing averagely 30 matches a year..as a NH player is playing almost 40 matches a year averagely...especially french and other players who play in the top 14. Easy to play on a strong pace and tempo when you have averagely 10 matches less to play in the year...If we had a competition like tri-nations and no real championship like SH, I guess we would be largely higher in pace and tempo. You can't ask the same thing to players that are playing 10 more matches a year. No wonder why we are always well beaten during automn and summer tour.

Again this world cup prooves for the 100th times at least that when a NH team has the same time of preparation than a SH team, there is almost no differences in the ability to win.
 

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