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RWC 2011: THE FINAL!!! France vs. New Zealand

FFS a three match final?! Sheer madness!!

The players of both sides were utterly spent after playing the quarter, semi and final in consecutive weeks, and you want to patch up the walking wounded, and run them for potentially another two weeks and two more matches?

No effing way mate!
 
Here's the view of former international referee Kelvin Deaker, and I pretty much agree 100% with what he says here.

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If Sunday night's Rugby World Cup final proved one thing, it is that the right man was in charge. Craig Joubert was the referee of the tournament by some distance and has an incredible career in front of him if he keeps looking after his body and doesn't get ahead of himself. The only thing that should stop him refereeing the finals in 2015 and 2019 will be if South Africa make the final.


You could see from the players how pressure does funny things to the brain, but Joubert remained calm for 80 minutes. It was noticeable that he modified his style ever-so-slightly in the final. He remained true to his approach, but policed the breakdown a little more leniently than in earlier games. What you don't want in a final is for the result to come back to one decision. He was very reserved in the decisions he made around the tackle. When things got tight in the second half there were times he might have penalised players for leaving their feet and fringing around on the offside line, but he chose to use verbal warnings on the run rather than the whistle. You could say it detracted from the game as an open-running spectacle, but it was clear by then that both sides were determined to play mistake-free, conservative rugby so the fact that it was a bit of a grind was not down to Joubert. Both sides were allowed to recycle possession and, given how much hinged on the result, both were disciplined in the tackle.


With games of this magnitude you're walking a fine balance between giving too much latitude and not enough. There will be plenty of people saying he let too much go, but I liked the fact that the game was there for the players to win or lose. You didn't see the players gesticulating much, which says he made the calls that mattered to them and let them sort out the rest. The All Blacks couldn't play in the style they wanted, but that was simply because France were the dominant side, not because of Joubert.

For me, the best referees at this tournament were the fittest ones - the ones who got to every breakdown and stood over it, not refereeing from a distance. The games with the pile-ups and the controversies - South Africa v Samoa and South Africa v Australia in particular - were the ones where the referee wasn't at the breakdown.


In a tournament of this length, you are always going to get controversies, but I think referees' boss Paddy O'Brien will be pleased. There were 48 games and you could point to only two or three and say the referee played too big a part in the outcome. If you ask me, that's not a bad return.



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Note: he his picked out these two games, controlled by Nigel Owens and Bryce Lawrence, so if I read Kelvin correctly, he is saying that these two aren't fit enough.
 
I don't think any team bar the All Blacks would be comfortable with a three match final - Most teams are only rarely able to grab one win over the All Blacks, getting two would be quite unheard of...

for sure Invictus, and that's just the point, I s'pose I'm just a bit miffed the ABs didn't get a chance to put a bit of style into their game in the final. The toll on the players would be greater too....but i reckon we'd see a bit more running rugby for sure !
 
No one cares about what happened in the game. whats done is done and only the result matters now.

All Blacks World No.1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If Sam Owen is out there.

Ive been waiting for you....nah lol

i accept i was wrong about my 10 minute bet, however, i think only a few would deny that if France had taken the lead in that last 10 we wouldn't have come back. So while our defence was stunning in that last 10, and we closed out well, i honestly couldn't have seen us come back to grab another 3 in the death. Big ups to Ellis and Donald-don't think anyone expected them to be the half pairing in the clutch period of a world cup final- but I doubt we would have composed enough to regain the lead.

U also said I was overtly critical as an Ab fan. well in 2007 I was a naive Abs supporter who was caught off guard by our loss to France; I was already thinking about a SA vs Nz final. Since that day, I started to realise that the Abs aren't God's gift to sport and realised that while we have one HELL of a team, it ain't unbeatable. It's important to be critical of teams you support imo than to be a one eyed idiot. I was being critical because everybody had forgotten how so-so we'd been in the Argentina game- which was always going to be a better representation of what was to follow than that game agianst that soft Aussie forward pack. I understood the French had about a blimin good scrum, a solid lineout, and a world class loose trio capable of upseting ours, and backs which if they got their s**t together on the night could cause us nightmares.

Fair enough, I did a bit of stalking on your page and your posts lol and to be honest I was convinced you were one of those ones who pretend to be from NZ. I just found all your posts so critical of a champion outfit like the ABs but after reading your post above I see your valid reasons. Yes you did mention similar stuff before in your other post about why your trust in the ABs is not strong and now I understand all of that but the All Blacks are a strong team and when at home they become even more stronger, and thats a factor that erases any doubts for me.
 
Please re-read post #861. If this is not a ruck - which is seemingly the referee's interpretation, then Rougerie's kick is valid as we are either in open play or still in a tackle and therefore your whole claim falls apart.

If this is a ruck then there are so many fouls commited by the blacks in that same ruck that we should invent a penalty try especially for it. More seriously, it would have been an immediate penalty kick, and if Joubert had blown every similar opportunity in the match France would have won by 15 points, to be put to the "credit" of McCaw.

Now if this still a tackle zone as you claim now - then there is violation of rule 15.6 as two ABs are lying onto the tackle zone and therefore not on their feet. PENALTY KICK.

And unlike what you said- but you didn't show the exact moment on your pictures - Rougerie is at the same time behind the tackled player and the ball, so his kick is perfectly valid. On the following video:
http://www.akl.stuff.co.nz/waikato-...l-Blacks-vs-France-World-Cup-final-highlights
, at 0:29 we can clearly see the tackled player and the ball, with Rougerie perfectly positioned behind them.

And no, I don't believe that the frenchs would have score that try "anyway", neither that they would not have: YOU believe that this so-called foul had "DIRECTLY" led to the try which is a complete nonsense. There are at least two or three situations where the Blacks had the opportunity to contest the ball, at least two or three rucks, and they could have also try to defend their line instead of letting Dusautoir break into it.

Finally, if you want a fault that "directly" leads to a try, you should rather look at the AB's player that prevents Harinordoquy to run towards Woodcock just after the line-out starts. This violates Law 19.10: "Holding or shoving. A lineout player must not hold, push, charge, obstruct or grasp an opponent not holding the ball except when a ruck or maul is taking place."

THIS directly leads to Woodcock's try.

Really lol, Harinordoquy was milking it. He had no chance of getting near Woodcock and so he grabs Read who shoves him back.

Talk it up, Joubert is the best ref in the world, its not really even debatable. He had a good game, better than any other ref would have done in that game.
Obviously some rules are down to interpretation, and Joubert was just calling it as he saw it.

The ref had no bearing on the outcome, the most accurate team won on the day.
 
Accidental collision, nothing more.

For all the criticism McCaw cops for his close to the limit of the Laws play, from supporters of the teams he plays against, he is not, never has been, and never will be a cheap shot artist, unlike some others we won't mention.

Lol the best one :D Accidental collision ! With the punch going down very quickly...You are biased my friend or you have never played a match of rugby in your life...I understand why Southern people are always talking up of some eye gouge or other violence from the french..they are just blind, not able to see their own violence. Though McCaw is doing it quite cleverly in the move.

But very sweet from you to protect ur cptain courage...

Overall I agree with what a lot of people have said lately. It is not easy to refer a match of rugby union sometimes and even more when it is about the ruck. We will be always prisonner of the referee decisions and we have to accept it. It does not mean that you can't aknowledge the bad job of a referee. And I do not even say that Joubert has done a worse match than any other referee.

But Kaino is not on his feet, Rougerie is not offside coming from the back of the ruck..it does not stop us to accept the victory of ABs...
 
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Lol the best one :D Accidental collision ! With the punch going down very quickly...You are biased my friend or you have never played a match of rugby in your life...I understand why Southern people are always talking up of some eye gouge or other violence from the french..they are just blind, not able to see their own violence. Though McCaw is doing it quite cleverly in the move.

But very sweet from you to protect ur cptain courage...

:rolleyes:
 
Ive been waiting for you....nah lol



Fair enough, I did a bit of stalking on your page and your posts lol and to be honest I was convinced you were one of those ones who pretend to be from NZ. I just found all your posts so critical of a champion outfit like the ABs but after reading your post above I see your valid reasons. Yes you did mention similar stuff before in your other post about why your trust in the ABs is not strong and now I understand all of that but the All Blacks are a strong team and when at home they become even more stronger, and thats a factor that erases any doubts for me.

All good bro, i can see how you would get that idea lol. I guess i'm just a lot more objective then your typical AB fan. I'm a massive fan of the ABs don't get me wrong-my hangover on monday morning was a testament to that- but i'm not one eyed as i said before.
 
Boy was I stoked for Stephen Donald.
When he came on everybody around me (Cook's Wharf, Party Central) was half booing.
After that kick, and several good pieces of promising attacking and defensive play the crowd were on my side, finally cheering him on!

Props to the All Blacks!
 
Mc Caw' kick in Parra's head was a nice gesture from him, he knew Trinh Duc was a better player and he wanted to help France. His refusal to exchange shirts with Bonnaire was class too, the shirt was probably too dirty from Parra's blood. His not saying a word about France in his speech was quite awesome: he didn't want us to feel uncomfortable with too much attention on us.

The guy's almost jesus.

Anyone who says the contrary will get a 15000 $ fine.
 
Mc Caw' kick in Parra's head was a nice gesture from him, he knew Trinh Duc was a better player and he wanted to help France. His refusal to exchange shirts with Bonnaire was class too, the shirt was probably too dirty from Parra's blood. His not saying a word about France in his speech was quite awesome: he didn't want us to feel uncomfortable with too much attention on us.

The guy's almost jesus.

Anyone who says the contrary will get a 15000 $ fine.

Or he wanted to keep the jersey he won the world cup in?
 
Mc Caw' kick in Parra's head was a nice gesture from him, he knew Trinh Duc was a better player and he wanted to help France. His refusal to exchange shirts with Bonnaire was class too, the shirt was probably too dirty from Parra's blood. His not saying a word about France in his speech was quite awesome: he didn't want us to feel uncomfortable with too much attention on us.

The guy's almost jesus.

Anyone who says the contrary will get a 15000 $ fine.

Even Henry did not have a simple single word for France...They were absolutely arrogant at the end of the match.

For the Jersey, I understand that they wanted to keep them.
 
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Mc Caw' kick in Parra's head was a nice gesture from him, he knew Trinh Duc was a better player and he wanted to help France. His refusal to exchange shirts with Bonnaire was class too, the shirt was probably too dirty from Parra's blood. His not saying a word about France in his speech was quite awesome: he didn't want us to feel uncomfortable with too much attention on us.

The guy's almost jesus.

Anyone who says the contrary will get a 15000 $ fine.

Yeah. Maybe he was still a tad miffed about Aurélien Rougerie blatent headbutt and eye gouge. Regardless, not giving his jersey that he captained his team to winning a rugby world cup is unacceptable. Good to see you can remain gracious in defeat though, I was expecting you to act like a sarcastic, spoilt little brat that didn't get his own way and I don't think that would become you.
 
To be fair, it's quite sad that France wasn't mentioned once in the speech afterwards. The other things being said are BS
 
To be fair, it's quite sad that France wasn't mentioned once in the speech afterwards. The other things being said are BS

Yeah, I think it would have been good to mention France. I think McCaw was exhausted and lost for words because of the occasion. He's certainly paid them tribute since.
 
You can clearly see McCaw eye-butt poor Rougerie's fingers, I hope McCaw gets done for that.
 
Yeah. Maybe he was still a tad miffed about Aurélien Rougerie blatent headbutt and eye gouge. Regardless, not giving his jersey that he captained his team to winning a rugby world cup is unacceptable. Good to see you can remain gracious in defeat though, I was expecting you to act like a sarcastic, spoilt little brat that didn't get his own way and I don't think that would become you.

Come on, no need to be rude.

The guy's clearly not a gentleman and these NZ media trying to buy him a virginity by constantly bringing up fake stuff about other players in other teams is pathetic. I allowed myself to a little sarcasm there, don't be a princess.
 
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