RWC 2011: THE FINAL!!! France vs. New Zealand

[elgringoborracho]

I agree, I think the section of AB fans who blamed Barnes for that loss were and still are pathetic poor losers.

Just like how the segments of Welsh/French/SA/Samoan fans who have done exactly the same this WC are also pathetic poor losers.

Although those who actually take it up to the conspiracy theory level and make claims about Nigel Owens ancestry or Paddy O'Brien being the mastermind behind it all take it to a whole new level of idiocy.

I think it was actually only the aussie fans (shock horror) who were actually gracious in defeat, and I doubt the AB fans would have been quite so good if the scores had been reversed....

The ref is just another variable in a game, that teams need to adjust and play to.

It's one way of looking at the problem. One question though: how the heck do you adjust to a ref who has decided you were going to lose the game? Change the colour of your jersey at half time in order to confuse him?

All refs have a style, some are more prone to whistling, others aren't. Rugby is too complex a sport to expect a purely equivalent reffing from all refs. They'll all make mistakes too, since they are human (Barnes' in 2007 being an infamous example of reffing honest mistake).
That is all fine by me. As long as he treats both teams equally, and according to the rule.

 

[cardassian]

See, now this is one hell of a stupid thing to say. In no way or form whatsoever do teams need to 'adjust' to how the referee is blowing a game. The referee is there to adhere to the laws of the game, not to do what he feels like. In South Africa's case, the retard in my signature deemed it necessary to ignore all of the rules in the breakdown, thereby letting David Pocock feel like he was having sex for the first time.

It's utterly retarded to have to have a team 'play to the referee' when all the referee is supposed to do is adhere to the laws, and not try to be the center of the match.

Players and teams should not need to change their tactics in a game because the referee is in the mood to blow the game in a certain way. Rugby needs to be played, and rules need to be adhered by. Referees in the modern game have far more power than they should, and it's absolutely appalling.

Agree that we need to look into how games are refereed, but at the end of the day all teams know different ref's interpret laws differently, therefore they need to be able to adjust.

 

[Jer1cho]

therefore they need to be able to adjust.

What I am saying, is they shouldn't need to. It's ridiculous. It never used to be like that in the past. Never. Referees think they are bigger than both the teams on the field.

 

[cardassian]

What I am saying, is they shouldn't need to. It's ridiculous. It never used to be like that in the past. Never. Referees think they are bigger than both the teams on the field.

Yeah I think the law changes around the ruck area have lead to this though. In the past you used to be able to lie all over the ball and the opposition would ruck the **** out of you to get you to move, meaning rucks used to ref themselves.
Now you have to roll and you can't do this/ do that means referees have a lot more to look at and rule on, combine this with the increased pace of the game due to these changes and it makes it a lot harder on the ref.
Same as with scrums, in the old days when the forwards sorted there own **** out there were hardly any resets, now they happen all the time and most of the time the ref has no clue what to rule and so takes a guess.
Don't really think there's a clear answer to these problems except take the game back 25 years and use the old rules, but then most people would object to that.

 

[erwan]

Chers compatriotes.
Il apparaît évident que nos amis Néo Zélandais ne changeront pas d'avis même à constater que le monde entier pense qu'ils ne méritaient pas cette victoire, pourtant finalement ce sont bien eux qui méritent cette coupe du monde.
Je pense que nous devrions les laisser faire la fête et rester sur cette constatation que toute l'arrogance qui nous est tellement souvent reprochée est finalement assez bien partagée.
Je vous laisse, bon courage pour ceux qui restent, ça commence à sentir fort le troll...

 

[igorBastia]

Congrutalation for the ALL BLACK, Congrutalion for the people of News Zealand. Congrutalation for the AB fans. I hope they enjoy the event full with hapinness and crazyness and I share their joy.
I'am a supporter of the french team and don't care about the dispute whith the referee and all faults that's people noticed. No dispute and no complains. The big All Black merit their cup
Rugby is a strange sport. The heroes of this final what at the end the french. They was insultated (80s Laughing!!), denigred, (the badest team of the all final cup) (The shame of the Rugby) doubted on themself (9/8 against wales 15 against 14), lost game (as against Tonga and New Zealand).
But they have fighted with all their courage and well in the hearth of the Maori Nation, in the hearth of the cauldron " the Eden Park" "stadium against a whole People.
For almost nothing they could win the game and the black would be alone with their tears.
I admire their mind. Victory is not always at the end of the combat so brillant it was, that is the sport.
I identify my self with this special spirit that belong to the rugby and not in another sport. And that's serve me in my common life. I I want to say that someone very near from myself struggle with a cancer .
The issue are uncertain. And I feel in phase with this tourmanted soul french team: up and down from sadness to disapointmenent, from hope to joy. And always this though: we have to fight for the good, for a betters days
Each chimiotherapie send her to the hell, loosing hair and white cell, vominting her guts night and days, loosing weight and weight and becoming weaker and weaker.
Our small family are not the AB or the french team, but what have shown our french team with their modesty is: how to stan up!! and this time I hope we will the game even if nobody will give us a Cup .

 

[igorBastia]

win

 

[Larksea]

that Aurelien Rougerie gouging McCaw video out this morning made me feel a bit sick

 

[donmcdazzle]

Yes Mc Caw has been punished by Rougerie. When the ref doesn't ref the ruks properly, this happens.
I have seen the game and McCaw's behaviour in the ruks, he was always above the limit without any reaction from Joubert during the whole first half so I guess it could be a punishment.
If Rougerie did this on purpose that's a shame. Also if Mc Caw did this rough kneeing on Para it's a shame.

So you're condoning an eye gouge if the other player is disrupting your ruck ball?! Ridiculous. Also, it is pretty obvious Gougerie was doing what he did intentionally, there is no doubt about that. Just another case of French filth, always been dirty players they're just fulfilling expectations.

 

[squirrel]

yep if the ref doesnt do something about it then i think the players have to take matters into their own hands, i think mccaw would be happy enough to get poked in the eye as long as joubert lets him walk all over the rules,
i tell you i used sought out trouble makers on the cricket field with a good old beamer aimed at their temple, and then drive home as fast as i could

 

[igorBastia]

No one cares about what happened in the game. whats done is done and only the result matters now.

All Blacks World No.1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes but...for short

 

[igorBastia]

So you're condoning an eye gouge if the other player is disrupting your ruck ball?! Ridiculous. Also, it is pretty obvious Gougerie was doing what he did intentionally, there is no doubt about that. Just another case of French filth, always been dirty players they're just fulfilling expectations.

Gougerie I believe you want to write Rougerie. By the way I don't really understand want you say: dirty player and so ... I suppose you probably don't like the french. May be travelling outside your Insel would be help you open your mind on the world and his differents cultures and languages!
Racisme is not very far.
By the way the way your famous AB team just won for one point, I don't call that a great victory. If you can, you can reply in french. Just a suggestion.

 

[Zapphod]

By the way the way your famous AB team just won for one point, I don't call that a great victory. If you can, you can reply in french. Just a suggestion.

I would like to point out that one point is as good as 1000 and I am also prepared to bet that 12 months from now no almost no one will remember who finished second so as everyone that has rubbed it in for the last 24 years has said "winning is everything", unfortunately I don't speak French but I could reply in German if it would help?

 

[igorBastia]

Chers compatriotes.
Il apparaît évident que nos amis Néo Zélandais ne changeront pas d'avis même à constater que le monde entier pense qu'ils ne méritaient pas cette victoire, pourtant finalement ce sont bien eux qui méritent cette coupe du monde.
Je pense que nous devrions les laisser faire la fête et rester sur cette constatation que toute l'arrogance qui nous est tellement souvent reprochée est finalement assez bien partagée.
Je vous laisse, bon courage pour ceux qui restent, ça commence à sentir fort le troll...

Je ne comprend pas vraiment leur position, ils ont la coupe qu'est ce qu'il veulent de plus. S'ils pensent ainsi c'est qu'en fait ils doutent d'eux même, et il y a de quoi à douter. Ils ne sont pas la "super équipe invincible" qu'ils prétendre être. L'équipe de France m'a par contre vraiment impressionnée. Ils sont partit avec deux défaites , ils auraient pu baisser les bras devant les gallois à 15 contre 14 de quoi à douter. De quoi sombrer dans la dépression. Mais non ils se sont battue et à une pénalité prés ils auraient pu gagner devant un peuple hostile et des journalistes NZ odieux. Ils ont cru en eux, ils se sont surpasser avec classe sans pleurer sur l'arbitrage, la couleur de la pelouse ou la position de Jupiter et ça vaut bien la coupe du monde. Je ne crois pas toujours que la victoire est belle, celle des Blacks chez eux au coeur de la nation Maori est plutôt pâle, paradoxalement la défaite des français est belle car ils ont su aller au delà d'eux même: c'est un exemple. C'est de cela que les NZ sont jaloux, les vrais héros de toutes cette coupe du monde c'est bien les français...après les résultats... la coupe il faut bien un vainqueur et un vaincu, ça ne veux pas dire grand chose . Comme tu dis camarade ne gâchons pas leur fête, tant mieux pour eux, tant pis pour nous. Ceci dit je suis étonné par le racisme antifrançais de certains utilisateur du forum. J'ai pour ma part du respect pour chaque équipe et il n'existe pour moi aucunes petites nations. Peut être est ce le fait de vivre bloqué sur une île entouré de mouton? En tout cas j'aimerai toujours le AB. Histoire d'éducation, le rugby ce n'est pas le foot!

 

[ckell]

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So you're condoning an eye gouge if the other player is disrupting your ruck ball?! Ridiculous. Also, it is pretty obvious Gougerie was doing what he did intentionally, there is no doubt about that. Just another case of French filth, always been dirty players they're just fulfilling expectations.

Come off it, you tool, that is complete and utter tripe.
I mean, you usually seem like a good poster but that is ridiculous.

 

[Zapphod]

Je ne comprend pas vraiment leur position, ils ont la coupe qu'est ce qu'il veulent de plus. S'ils pensent ainsi c'est qu'en fait ils doutent d'eux même, et il y a de quoi à douter. Ils ne sont pas la "super équipe invincible" qu'ils prétendre être. L'équipe de France m'a par contre vraiment impressionnée. Ils sont partit avec deux défaites , ils auraient pu baisser les bras devant les gallois à 15 contre 14 de quoi à douter. De quoi sombrer dans la dépression. Mais non ils se sont battue et à une pénalité prés ils auraient pu gagner devant un peuple hostile et des journalistes NZ odieux. Ils ont cru en eux, ils se sont surpasser avec classe sans pleurer sur l'arbitrage, la couleur de la pelouse ou la position de Jupiter et ça vaut bien la coupe du monde. Je ne crois pas toujours que la victoire est belle, celle des Blacks chez eux au coeur de la nation Maori est plutôt pâle, paradoxalement la défaite des français est belle car ils ont su aller au delà d'eux même: c'est un exemple. C'est de cela que les NZ sont jaloux, les vrais héros de toutes cette coupe du monde c'est bien les français...après les résultats... la coupe il faut bien un vainqueur et un vaincu, ça ne veux pas dire grand chose . Comme tu dis camarade ne gâchons pas leur fête, tant mieux pour eux, tant pis pour nous. Ceci dit je suis étonné par le racisme antifrançais de certains utilisateur du forum. J'ai pour ma part du respect pour chaque équipe et il n'existe pour moi aucunes petites nations. Peut être est ce le fait de vivre bloqué sur une île entouré de mouton? En tout cas j'aimerai toujours le AB. Histoire d'éducation, le rugby ce n'est pas le foot!

1) No one believes the All Blacks are an "invincible super team" if they were they would have won the world cup more often than they have.
2) France lost 3 games not 2.
3) As for anti-French racism well this all started with people agreeing that both teams played well in a final and now it is down to an argument that if we don't say France should have won we are racist, I am sorry but after a while playing the "gracious winner" becomes difficult in the face of so many sour grapes arguments.
4) If you are going to play the I am not racist card perhaps you should reconsider the sheep comment.

 

[igorBastia]

I would like to point out that one point is as good as 1000 and I am also prepared to bet that 12 months from now no almost no one will remember who finished second so as everyone that has rubbed it in for the last 24 years has said "winning is everything", unfortunately I don't speak French but I could reply in German if it would help?

Wenn du willst; sie haben fûr ein Punkt gewonnen. Sie sind froh und machen fest ich verstehe dass . Aber ich verstehe nicht warum si sind so anti froggie. Die franzosen sind die echt hero von diese Welt Cup . Sie waren critiziren, sie waren der" schlimmst meinschfaft" von der ganz final;"the shame of the rugby", sie haben fast verloren gegen der welsh aber sie waren da, kopf hoch! gegen die übergross AB manschaft, in Aukland in die Herz der Maoriland gegen ein ganz Volk. Was für ein Will, ein strenght sie hatten in ihre Herz, Was fûr ein mutt sie haben geschauen!! Genau die name "New Zealand" ist auf die tablett geschrieben aber in die Herz der Rugby fan Franckreich wird am erste geschrieben. Manchalmal es ist so: das Sieg ist klein und das Verloren spiel ist gross.
So enough german and congrutalation for your "small" victory; have fun and if you drink a beer, be fairplay though a little bit about the team who almost win!!

 

[igorBastia]

1) No one believes the All Blacks are an "invincible super team" if they were they would have won the world cup more often than they have.
2) France lost 3 games not 2.
3) As for anti-French racism well this all started with people agreeing that both teams played well in a final and now it is down to an argument that if we don't say France should have won we are racist, I am sorry but after a while playing the "gracious winner" becomes difficult in the face of so many sour grapes arguments.
4) If you are going to play the I am not racist card perhaps you should reconsider the sheep comment.

I dont talk about you. If you have read what I'have wrote before, I congrulate the people of New Zealand and the All Blacks team and share they joy to be happy. There is misunderstanding, maybe because I don't speak english so fluently. But You have to admitt that some of your compatriote wrote ugly things on the froggie even if the AB are winner (for short). I don't understand; In my point of view if you are in the position of a winner you have to be happy and nice with your adverser. If it is not so there is a problem. (see donmcdazzle: explain me "what he want to say whith dirty players".) I retire what I wrote if i'm wrong; and I don't support excuse when a team try to find a reason why they lost even if it's the french team. I don't care about the referee, the colour of the grass and the position of Jupiter. What I have learned with the rugby is to admitt the defeat and the respect of all the team from the little one to the big. Sorry if it is a misunderstood ( my fault) but I am almost vexed if you think that racism is an argument for our lost.
So enjoy your victory and against congrutalation..

 

[donmcdazzle]

Gougerie I believe you want to write Rougerie. By the way I don't really understand want you say: dirty player and so ... I suppose you probably don't like the french. May be travelling outside your Insel would be help you open your mind on the world and his differents cultures and languages!
Racisme is not very far.
By the way the way your famous AB team just won for one point, I don't call that a great victory. If you can, you can reply in french. Just a suggestion.

I have indeed travelled around the world, have visited France 3 times. I spent a month driving through the whole country and had a wonderful time. The french people were great, very generous and hospitable on the whole.

What that has to do with the antics of their national rugby team I have no idea. The French team has a history of being dirty players, Gougerie is in good company there.

 

[Bossco]

See, now this is one hell of a stupid thing to say. In no way or form whatsoever do teams need to 'adjust' to how the referee is blowing a game.

And yet according to you the whole reason your team lost was because of the way Lawrence interpreted and governed the breakdowns, sentiments shared by Welsh, Samoan and French fans towards their refs as well. I think the stupid ones are the ones who are now crying like little girls because they had some naive expectation that refs are robots and don't all have different styles, intepretations and pressures, all of which teams, if they want to win, need to adjust too.

Whether or not in an ideal world they 'should' have to adjust is a different question, but the reality is that at present they do.