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RBS 6 Nations - Wales vs Italy- 10/03/2012, 14:30

Warren Gatland is a manipulative, obnoxious prick who's second only to Brendan Venter as the worst possible ambassador the game could have. He's historically always done the pissy interviews mistaking himself for Alex Fergusion.



You'll live longer if you choose not to listen to him.

This is complete BS. Gatland speaks with brutal honesty and is pretty much always on mark. He is an outstanding ambassador to rugby. In the New Zealand world cup, he and Mrs Gatland were organising free accommodation for travelling Welsh fans. Now that's above and beyond the call of duty. Gatland is a legend.

Yeah I guess he can be grumpy, but he always makes interesting comments.
 
This is complete BS. Gatland speaks with brutal honesty and is pretty much always on mark. He is an outstanding ambassador to rugby. In the New Zealand world cup, he and Mrs Gatland were organising free accommodation for travelling Welsh fans. Now that's above and beyond the call of duty. Gatland is a legend.

Yeah I guess he can be grumpy, but he always makes interesting comments.

Just cause they're interesting doesn't make them right or not stupid his comments before the Ireland match in 09 were disgraceful.
 
I can't really comment on the specifics of this game as I have only been able to follow the updates on the internet .

This was always a no win game for Wales . If we had beat them by a margin of 40pts , folk would have said they are only Italy ! The margin of our win was greater than that of France in Paris but not of that of Ireland in Dublin.

It sounds llike we may need to raise our game against France next week but I think most folk in Wales will have been more than happy with our 6 nations performances too date. We are at least trying to play attractive rugby and will remain top of the league come Monday.
 
I can't really comment on the specifics of this game as I have only been able to follow the updates on the internet .

This was always a no win game for Wales . If we had beat them by a margin of 40pts , folk would have said they are only Italy ! The margin of our win was greater than that of France in Paris but not of that of Ireland in Dublin.

It sounds llike we may need to raise our game against France next week but I think most folk in Wales will have been more than happy with our 6 nations performances too date. We are at least trying to play attractive rugby and will remain top of the league come Monday.

There's nothing for Welsh fans to be unhappy about, no. But I think what definitely I and maybe others feel is that Wales have not yet shown Grand Slam value. Championship-winning mettle, without doubt, but the Six nations is a tough tournament, and I don't think Wales winning all their games would particularly reflect how tight the tournament has been. Two of these games could have swung the other way, and Beating Italy by 20 at home is unremarkable.
 
I feel the ref had a big bearing on how this game progressed. He was consistent for both teams, but my god was he pedantic at the breakdown, which ultimately put paid to any chance of a free flowing game of rugby. His decisions may have been correct to the letter of the law, but this is the kind of game you end up with when referees are whistle happy and favour the defending team over the attacking one. Due to Wales' dominance of position and territory, this ultimately affected Wales' game more than it did Italy's.

I didn't agree with the yellow card at all. It looked as though it was given solely for the reason that Parisse got injured. The fact of the matter was that it was a fairish challenge for the ball from Halfpenny, although slightly clumsy. I would have accepted a penalty, but a yellow was waay off imo. Halfpenny not once took his eyes off the ball.

Of course the ref was not the only factor to why Wales didn't run away with the game like some thought. I thought Italy were excellent at the breakdown, especially Zanni, while some of Parisse's cover tackling was awesome. We missed Warburton today at the breakdown, even if Tipuric had a great game in his own right.

I don't think Wales were ever in danger of losing that match, it was just a little disappointing that we couldn't get a score on the board a little earlier and really put a marker down for next week's game against France.
 
Just cause they're interesting doesn't make them right or not stupid his comments before the Ireland match in 09 were disgraceful.

I personally think he is right more often than not, though I admit what he said before that Irish game was ridiculous.
 
Did anyone else think that the ref made the wrong call on Parisse's "forward" pass. He passed it backwards, but momentum took it forward[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT]
 
This is complete BS. Gatland speaks with brutal honesty and is pretty much always on mark. He is an outstanding ambassador to rugby. In the New Zealand world cup, he and Mrs Gatland were organising free accommodation for travelling Welsh fans. Now that's above and beyond the call of duty. Gatland is a legend.

Yeah I guess he can be grumpy, but he always makes interesting comments.
so did Hitler. And Tony Blair. Neither were right in what they ever said though.
 
There's nothing for Welsh fans to be unhappy about, no. But I think what definitely I and maybe others feel is that Wales have not yet shown Grand Slam value. Championship-winning mettle, without doubt, but the Six nations is a tough tournament, and I don't think Wales winning all their games would particularly reflect how tight the tournament has been. Two of these games could have swung the other way, and Beating Italy by 20 at home is unremarkable.

I agree in that the six nations tournament is tough and it appears there's very little between Wales, England , Ireland and France which can only be good for the tournament .
The two games your refering to I guess are England and Ireland, so to win away in such a close tournament deserves some credit. Are you saying we should be battering Ireland and England to be rightly crowned as Grand Slam material ?
 
I agree in that the six nations tournament is tough and it appears there's very little between Wales, England , Ireland and France which can only be good for the tournament .
The two games your refering to I guess are England and Ireland, so to win away in such a close tournament deserves some credit. Are you saying we should be battering Ireland and England to be rightly crowned as Grand Slam material ?

I didn't say that did I. What I'm saying is the six nations is tough to the extent that most teams usually lose to someone, and to my mind, wales haven't looked a cut above in the way that france were in 2010, ireland in 2009 etc.
 
Ireland were not a cut above in 2009. In fact, had odriscoll not dragged them kicking and screaming when they were determined to be beaten, i doubt there would have been anything remarkable about that side at all.
 
Ireland were not a cut above in 2009. In fact, had odriscoll not dragged them kicking and screaming when they were determined to be beaten, i doubt there would have been anything remarkable about that side at all.
No there's a reason we had so many Lions.
 
Yeah, media pressure.

Was also widely regarded as a shitty lions squad.
 
I didn't say that did I. What I'm saying is the six nations is tough to the extent that most teams usually lose to someone, and to my mind, wales haven't looked a cut above in the way that france were in 2010, ireland in 2009 etc.

He's right !....especially about that 2010 France championship...ahem.
 
I didn't say that did I. What I'm saying is the six nations is tough to the extent that most teams usually lose to someone, and to my mind, wales haven't looked a cut above in the way that france were in 2010, ireland in 2009 etc.

To be nonest I'm not really sure of the point you are making

In 2009 Ireland beat us in Cardiff by 2 pts and Scotland in Edingburgh by 7 pts .. Hadly much difference too what we have done this year.
In 2010 France won in Edingburgh by 9pts and won in Cardiff by 6pts - Hadly significant.
 
I didn't say that did I. What I'm saying is the six nations is tough to the extent that most teams usually lose to someone, and to my mind, wales haven't looked a cut above in the way that france were in 2010, ireland in 2009 etc.
Neither France or Ireland looked unstoppable when they got their Grand Slams, far from it. France in 2010 beat Scotland by 9, Wales by 6, and England by 2! Ireand in 2009 beat England by one point, and Wales by just two. They were a Stephen Jones penalty away from losing the accolade.

Of course Wales could well lose to France next week, and if they win it'll be by a handful of points. But if Wales do beat France I trust the Slam will be looked upon with the same rose tinted specs as 2009 and 2010 in a few years from now...
 
TBH I don't know why you are already talking about wales getting the grand slam, because if france 'turn up', they will win. They may not, looking at their past few games, but with france thats nothing to go by. And france will definitely want a positive result that game (More than previous games) since they will either be playing for the ***le, or for reconciliation after a loss to England. Not than wales aren't dangerous, but France on a good day or with a point to prove are unstoppable, so a grand slam is a BIG ask
 
TBH I don't know why you are already talking about wales getting the grand slam, because if france 'turn up', they will win.
So? If Wales 'turn up' and France don't they will win. I don't buy into this 'France being unstoppable on their day' myth. Like every other team they have good and bad days, and no real results of note to back up this 'unstoppable' claim.

We're talking about a grand slam because Wales will get one if they beat France. Just like we talked about it in 2008, just before we beat France at home to get the grand slam. This isn't the same thing as saying Wales will beat France.
 
Beating the All Blacks in New Zealand is pretty "of note" - something only 4 teams have done (I think? SA, Aus, England, France)
 

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