RBS 6 Nations - Scotland Vs England (04/02/2012 - 17:00)

[Seaton]

What point is that?

That simply being a good player shouldn't exempt, or allow lenience, a player from retribution for foul play.

So what if the listed players could get into the Scottish team? How should it affect our opinions of how they conduct themselves on the field (and off it) in terms of behaviour? Not at all I say.

 

[psychic duck]

Quelle Surprise, captain know-it-all Portrays his ill informed opinion as fact once again.

I just read what was reported, if what I wrote is wrong why don't you say what happened?

Near the end of the second year, in a match at Wasps, came the triple accusation of gouging which arrested Hartley's rapid progress.

A couple of years ago I was bit of a ******** but I wouldn't be playing for England now if I was a liability.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23706921-dylan-hartleys-wind-up-fear.do
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23706921-dylan-hartleys-wind-up-fear.do

 

[Saintjay]

First point, their disciplinary records (however some are undoubtedly worse than others)

Second point... What does it have to do with the first? I fail to see how your skill level should make people more lenient on your thuggery? (Not that I am saying the noted English players are thugs, just getting the point across)

The point is mate that my reply was in responce to the poster stating that the likes of Lawes etc should be dropped from the England team.

First point, once you have served your ban as per the rules you are free to continue playing. Both Ashton and Lawes have served there bans and that's it. They have not been treated any different to anyone else.

I just can't understand why you would call for England to drop players so as a nation we are more loved. We all know England will never be loved and it would never happen and when your own team would take those four players like a shot if they could.

Second point. I prehaps could have made it better. All fours of those players could get in the Scotland team. Would Andy Robinson drop them as the poster is saying England should. No of course he would not so why would England.

 

[o'concrete]

I seem to remember Hartley biting some guys ear off early in his career, never liked him since, cheap shot on McCaw in last November internationals, tried to get Wannenburg sent off in Heinken cup last season versus Ulster (I am sure his portfolio dosent end there). He should not be playing, simple as that. Children are watching these games iswell. I seem to remember Lancaster wanting to clean the slate with these undesirables, he should have started with Hartley. Tuilagi-Ashton punch up last season was very distasteful and disgusting.
England have finer players than this skill or no skill, this sort of stuff should NOT be accepted.

 

[Teh Mite]

I just read what was reported, if what I wrote is wrong why don't you say what happened?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23706921-dylan-hartleys-wind-up-fear.do

I'm not in the slightest bit surprised you form an opinion based on what is written in the media instead of watching an incident and forming your own coherent opinion.

If it hadn't been against Haskell, at Wasps, in a pre-HEC semi-final (against Wasps), when the Media were so far up their backsides it was unbearable, and Jeff "Once a Wasp, Always a Wasp" Probyn wasn't hizzonor (although Blackett also has that slanted opinion)... Well, Wasps media machine used to be the envy of every club. Dallalglio making calls for Hartleys (lifetime) ban within 24 hours to anyone who'd listen and Haskell bringing in an expensive London prosecution lawyer to a disciplinary hearing. Yeah, obvious where that one is going. And the real crime - Looking to grap a handful of scrumcap in a ruck and making "Illegal contact with the eye area". Not "gauging", illegal contact with the eye area.

I guess this is the moment where some know-it-all posts that completely-out-of-context picture of Ross Ford being shoved away, posting the mandatory "yeah, but..." comment.

#TRFisthenew606

I seem to remember Hartley biting some guys ear off early in his career, never liked him since, cheap shot on McCaw in last November internationals, tried to get Wannenburg sent off in Heinken cup last season versus Ulster (I am sure his portfolio dosent end there). He should not be playing, simple as that. Children are watching these games iswell. I seem to remember Lancaster wanting to clean the slate with these undesirables, he should have started with Hartley. Tuilagi-Ashton punch up last season was very distasteful and disgusting.
England have finer players than this skill or no skill, this sort of stuff should NOT be accepted.

:lol:

Liar.

 

[o'concrete]

I don't think Ross Ford would be into eye gouging, he is a qualified doctor isn't he? surely he would know better than that?!

 

[Saintjay]

I seem to remember Hartley biting some guys ear off early in his career, never liked him since, cheap shot on McCaw in last November internationals, tried to get Wannenburg sent off in Heinken cup last season versus Ulster (I am sure his portfolio dosent end there). He should not be playing, simple as that. Children are watching these games iswell. I seem to remember Lancaster wanting to clean the slate with these undesirables, he should have started with Hartley. Tuilagi-Ashton punch up last season was very distasteful and disgusting.
England have finer players than this skill or no skill, this sort of stuff should NOT be accepted.

So I take it you have a dislike of Warburton for performing a very dangerous tackle that could have broken a mans neck in front of a hugh television audience.

 

[Teh Mite]

I don't think Ross Ford would be into eye gouging, he is a qualified doctor isn't he? surely he would know better than that?!

But seriously for a moment, do you even know what you're talking about or are you just the worst troll ever?

 

[Getofmeland]

Right Guys Calm Down...

Can we get back on topic and discuss the game...

This is what the thread is about:

 

[o'concrete]

Yes I do KNOW what I'm talking about. I would like to see rugby kept clean and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this what Lancaster is trying to achieve, but yes, let's get back on the topic of the game! I'm just expressing my opinion here. I don't like dirt and no I didn't like Warburtons spear tackle! end of debate

 

[Teh Mite]

Yes I do KNOW what I'm talking about. I would like to see rugby kept clean and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this what Lancaster is trying to achieve, but yes, let's get back on the topic of the game! I'm just expressing my opinion here. I don't like dirt and no I didn't like Warburtons spear tackle! end of debate

So when did Hartley bite somebodies ear off? I'm curious of this one.

 

[Darwin]

Right Guys Calm Down...

Can we get back on topic and discuss the game...

This is what the thread is about:

What the heck is that? Looks like something out of Harry Potter :lol:

 

[Getofmeland]

That sir is the Calcutta Cup...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcutta_Cup

 

[Teh Mite]

What the heck is that? Looks like something out of Harry Potter :lol:

That be the worlds oldest, and most valuable, rugby players drinks dispenser.

 

[Seaton]

The point is mate that my reply was in responce to the poster stating that the likes of Lawes etc should be dropped from the England team.

First point, once you have served your ban as per the rules you are free to continue playing. Both Ashton and Lawes have served there bans and that's it. They have not been treated any different to anyone else.

I just can't understand why you would call for England to drop players so as a nation we are more loved. We all know England will never be loved and it would never happen and when your own team would take those four players like a shot if they could.

Second point. I prehaps could have made it better. All fours of those players could get in the Scotland team. Would Andy Robinson drop them as the poster is saying England should. No of course he would not so why would England.

Fair enough, points misunderstood then.

That be the worlds oldest, and most valuable, rugby players drinks dispenser.

Don't forget it is also a part time football.

 

[Darwin]

That sir is the Calcutta Cup...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcutta_Cup

Ah, that explains the elephant and the cobras....

 

[Saintjay]

Jeffrey received a six-month ban from the SRU whilst Richards was given a one-match sentence from England.

Ok this could be seen as the Englishman getting off with a lighter sentence

 

[Peat]

Good spot lord hope, It's just certain English people I have spoken to have been more than confident that they were going to thump us by a good 20/30 points. To me that is both over-confident and arrogant

Were they as arrogant and overconfident as this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...hirts-online-ahead-of-Six-Nations-opener.html

 

[Saintjay]

Were they as arrogant and overconfident as this?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...hirts-online-ahead-of-Six-Nations-opener.html

I bet Alex Salmond has one or two.

 

[LittleGuy]

I bet Alex Salmond has one or two.

He probably also wants the Under 18 results to be counted if Scotland can win there (And yes that is a shot at allowing 16 year olds to vote, the Quebec separtist party here in Canada instantaneously copied the SNP policy idea upon hearing it LOL)

On to the serious stuff, this is an intruiging matchup with Scotland having a serious chance at pulling out the win. I still think the depth of the English squad will prevail but they might not be able to gel on the field in the first game of the 6N.