NRL's star, Jarryd Hayne to the NFL

[Jaguares]

The Superb Owl eclipses the RWC.

I disagree, maybe in economic terms, but rugby is considered by many consultants as the third largest sporting event after the FIFA WC and the Olympic Games. RWC compared with others sports like handball, basketball and volleyball, is one of the sports that has grown more in the last decades. If you compare the numbers between the first RWC, NZ 1987 and RWC 2007 in France, the differences are huge.

 

[ruggabee]

I'm an NFL follower, obviously I know the NFL salaries. My point is: For him it would be easier to become a Rugby Union star than an NFL star. At best, he would get a contract with a small team, or he would be a second option on a big team. I don't see him in the Top 10 of the best WR. American football is a very specific sport, each player has a specific function so it's difficult to stand out if you don't have years of playing the sport. He will never get the salary of Calvin Johnson, but he could get a salary similar to the Wilkinson's salary in Union, plus more advertising contracts than League

You are stating what would have been the best decision for him based on what you want. The guy isn't looking at the salary. He's not looking at what's going to make him most popular. Believe it or not, everyone has different aspirations!

 

[Saints1]

If you look at just the money, I'm sorry there is no comparison. Aaron Rodgers makes $22,000,000, i know that is unlikely to happen to Hayne but still compared to Wilkinson who was on $916,800 a year. If he plays as a running back (and is successful) he could make $5,000,000 +

 

[TheSaffycen]

I'm an NFL follower, obviously I know the NFL salaries. My point is: For him it would be easier to become a Rugby Union star than an NFL star. At best, he would get a contract with a small team, or he would be a second option on a big team. I don't see him in the Top 10 of the best WR. American football is a very specific sport, each player has a specific function so it's difficult to stand out if you don't have years of playing the sport. He will never get the salary of Calvin Johnson, but he could get a salary similar to the Wilkinson's salary in Union, plus more advertising contracts than League

You think he would become the very highest paid player in France ? I wouldn't think so, and we have no idea how the guy will transfer over to NFL. Could be an all time great for all we know.

 

[Jaguares]

You think he would become the very highest paid player in France ? I wouldn't think so, and we have no idea how the guy will transfer over to NFL. Could be an all time great for all we know.

I never said: "He is going to be the highest paid player in France". I said: "He could get a salary similar to the Wilkinson's salary". Perhaps the salary of Matt Giteau, something like $ 700,000 per year.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

TBH Manu Tuilagi makes a great running back in my madden he destroys some teams he plays against so I don't think the change over to the sport is that hard. even broke the single season rushing record.

 

[welshglory]

You think he would become the very highest paid player in France ? I wouldn't think so, and we have no idea how the guy will transfer over to NFL. Could be an all time great for all we know.

He could command a very high salary in France.
If he could have a similar impact like Folau and Sonny Bill have had, and remember that Haynes is a much higher rated League player than Folau was then he would be in that market.
Again "if" he had a big impact at international level and super rugby level, you add in his general marketability with success and he would be a high priced player. Same with Inglis, Billy Slater, Sam Tomkins etc...

 

[Jaguares]

TBH Manu Tuilagi makes a great running back in my madden he destroys some teams he plays against so I don't think the change over to the sport is that hard. even broke the single season rushing record.

As running back, he could be. Not as wide receiver, the technique of receiver is more difficult, as a RB you just have to catch the ball from the QB hands, run as fast as you can and break tackles. I think many rugby players could play in that position but not as receivers, is a more technical position. Catching the ball in the air is not easy

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If there's one thing Hayne can't do it's catch a football.
It's the reason he's never played fullba.......oh wait.

 

[Jaguares]

If there's one thing Hayne can't do it's catch a football.
It's the reason he's never played fullba.......oh wait.

Different balls, different techniques, different sports. Michael Jordan was a disaster in baseball, oh wait, Jordan was amazing with the ball in hand...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Michael Jordan was a character in Space Jam, he wasn't a real athlete.

 

[TheSaffycen]

He could command a very high salary in France.
If he could have a similar impact like Folau and Sonny Bill have had, and remember that Haynes is a much higher rated League player than Folau was then he would be in that market.
Again "if" he had a big impact at international level and super rugby level, you add in his general marketability with success and he would be a high priced player. Same with Inglis, Billy Slater, Sam Tomkins etc...

Possibly but then we don't know if he would become that great a union player, he likely he would but the point is until you see him play in either sport we have no idea how much he would be worth. I could say Manu Tuilagi would be the highest paid League player as he is the best crash ball centre in the world. Doesn't mean he will turn out to make millions, it's all assumptions.

 

[Jaguares]

Possibly but then we don't know if he would become that great a union player, he likely he would but the point is until you see him play in either sport we have no idea how much he would be worth. I could say Manu Tuilagi would be the highest paid League player as he is the best crash ball centre in the world. Doesn't mean he will turn out to make millions, it's all assumptions.

Yeah, but the similarities between Union and League are many, the same ball, the same technique of pass, the tackles are similar, etc and there are many players who changed code and have had success as: Brad Thorn, Lote Tuqiri, Sonny Bill Williams, Israel Folau and others. No history of League players who have had success in the NFL and the differences between the two sports are too

If I had to bet on Jarryd Hayne, bet my house in exchange for an olive, he would succeed in Union but I wouldn't bet on him as NFL player, it's simple logic. Too risky for me.

 

[Canuck]

Yeah, but the similarities between Union and League are many, the same ball, the same technique of pass, the tackles are similar, etc and there are many players who changed code and have had success as: Brad Thorn, Lote Tuqiri, Sonny Bill Williams, Israel Folau and others. No history of League players who have had success in the NFL and the differences between the two sports are too

If I had to bet on Jarryd Hayne, bet my house in exchange for an olive, he would succeed in Union but I wouldn't bet on him as NFL player, it's simple logic. Too risky for me.

Definitely agree with you Conrad. Of Course Hayne can do whatever he wants and I wish him the best of luck with his football aspirations but they are very different sports and he'll have a harsh learning curve in the league.

To be honest I don't see him getting much PT on any team in the league. Yes he's a fantastic athlete and if we had more experience playing football then I think his chances would be pretty good but he doesn't and I don't know how many teams in the league will be patient with him in his development.

A couple of former rugby players like Lawrence Okoye and Daniel Adongo have had a tough time getting playing time in the NFL despite incredible athletic ability and they're younger with more long term upside. They've both bounced between the practice squads of San Francisco and Detroit. Is Hayne (a league star and national icon) going to be happy being a bench warmer and practice squad guy for an NFL team?

He definitely would had a much easier learning curve in Union but like many great sportsmen I'm sure he relishes the challenge of proving himself in a new sport amidst a new culture. I just hope that he doesn't come to regret his decision as wasting some of the prime years of his career at the end of a bench.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Yeah, but the similarities between Union and League are many, the same ball, the same technique of pass, the tackles are similar, etc and there are many players who changed code and have had success as: Brad Thorn, Lote Tuqiri, Sonny Bill Williams, Israel Folau and others. No history of League players who have had success in the NFL and the differences between the two sports are too

If I had to bet on Jarryd Hayne, bet my house in exchange for an olive, he would succeed in Union but I wouldn't bet on him as NFL player, it's simple logic. Too risky for me.

Then there's been plenty of people who have crossed over codes and not been that successful ... Andy Powell, Chev Walker and Setaimata Sa to name a few. It swings in roundabouts.

@Canuck ... Hayden Smith would be another you can add to that list. One catch as a New York Jet TE. Released and came back to rugby.

 

[RoosTah]

I'm talking about the true Rugby World Cup, not about the fkg Rugby League WC. He won't have many opportunities, Americans don't know anything beyond the Rio Bravo.

His best move was to play the World Cup with the Wallabies and then get a juicy contract in Europe with Toulon or something like that

He's not after the money, but to be frank if he can succeed in the NFL (a big if) the money on offer sh#ts all over what the fcking French could pay. Giteau is the world's highest paid player in Rugby right now on about A$1.4 million a season. That's not in the ballpark of first choice running backs, who earn around the $7million mark.

You have to remember, that whilst Rugby is played at a pro level in more countries, that combined those countries would still not fill the East coast of the US... The economic power of the NFL sh#ts all over the EPL for example. Just saying.

On Hayne more generally, I'm not all that knowledgeable on the NFL, but I've watched a bit and I do get the game, and I agree with most other people here when they say a change is possible, but will be extraordinarily difficult for him.


If he'd left at 22 he'd have been much better off, but it's still a possibility.


To be honest, as a Rugby League fan I genuinely hope he makes it, and makes it big, because I reckon that'd actually benefit the NRL and Rugby League in general in terms of raising awareness of the comp over in the US.


Just think about all the people in the states who'd be stumbling across the NRL and SOO by googling Jarryd Hayne Highlights if he were to make it in the NFL as a kick returner - the knock on effect would be more people in the world's most lucrative and most influential sporting market tuning into Origin and the NRL, which would then increase the value of the rights over there, adding more into the NRL's coffers.


From a marketing perspective, a Jarryd Hayne success in the NFL is solid gold for the NRL. The NFL ****s on any other football code comp on the planet in terms of size and economic power, so the exposure would be brilliant. Heck, David Smith could even have a quiet word with Hayne to publicly support the Blues back home around Origin time to get more yanks tuning in.

 

[RoosTah]

Possibly but then we don't know if he would become that great a union player, he likely he would but the point is until you see him play in either sport we have no idea how much he would be worth. I could say Manu Tuilagi would be the highest paid League player as he is the best crash ball centre in the world. Doesn't mean he will turn out to make millions, it's all assumptions.

I don't really rate Tuilagi that high... he would be good, but no better than Fuifui Moimoi, George Burgess, Sam Burgess, Sam Moa, Sam Thaiday or Matt Scott at crash ball.

But crash-ball ain't all there is to League, and Greg Inglis would walk over him with ease if they tried to put him in the backs.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Sounds like Seahawks could be the destination.

 

[Jaguares]

Let me tell you what's going to happen. Jarryd going to spend much time on the bench with a few minutes on the field. Americans aren't going to be patients, they won't wait for him. Then after 2 or 3 seasons, he will return to the NRL, where younger players with more future will be better than Hayne. So his status won't be the same, then he will say: "I still serve for Union," and he will follow the route of Wendell Sailor, Lote Tuqiri and Izzy Folau.

So he's going to play the RWC Japan 2019 with the Wallaby jersey with 31 years :lol:

End of story

Jarryd: All roads lead to Union

Sounds like Seahawks could be the destination.

Well, that makes things worse for him. Marshawn Lynch is one of the best RBs in the NFL, then he has no chance in easier position for rugby players (grab the ball from QB's hand and run):

He's not after the money, but to be frank if he can succeed in the NFL (a big if) the money on offer sh#ts all over what the fcking French could pay. Giteau is the world's highest paid player in Rugby right now on about A$1.4 million a season. That's not in the ballpark of first choice running backs, who earn around the $7million mark.

You have to remember, that whilst Rugby is played at a pro level in more countries, that combined those countries would still not fill the East coast of the US... The economic power of the NFL sh#ts all over the EPL for example. Just saying.

On Hayne more generally, I'm not all that knowledgeable on the NFL, but I've watched a bit and I do get the game, and I agree with most other people here when they say a change is possible, but will be extraordinarily difficult for him.


If he'd left at 22 he'd have been much better off, but it's still a possibility.


To be honest, as a Rugby League fan I genuinely hope he makes it, and makes it big, because I reckon that'd actually benefit the NRL and Rugby League in general in terms of raising awareness of the comp over in the US.


Just think about all the people in the states who'd be stumbling across the NRL and SOO by googling Jarryd Hayne Highlights if he were to make it in the NFL as a kick returner - the knock on effect would be more people in the world's most lucrative and most influential sporting market tuning into Origin and the NRL, which would then increase the value of the rights over there, adding more into the NRL's coffers.


From a marketing perspective, a Jarryd Hayne success in the NFL is solid gold for the NRL. The NFL ****s on any other football code comp on the planet in terms of size and economic power, so the exposure would be brilliant. Heck, David Smith could even have a quiet word with Hayne to publicly support the Blues back home around Origin time to get more yanks tuning in.

I'm an NFL follower, I really like the NFL. I know what is the most important professional league in the first world economy. Be that handles numbers that are larger than any other league around the world (Even the Champions League). For that reason I say that it's very very difficult for anyone to stand out in NFL, without having years of experience in the sport against the best collegiate athletes of USA.

I don't know if I could be a good thing to have the attention of Americans, can be very good or very bad. Suppose Jarryd succeeds in the NFL, that would put the eyes of NFL scouts in rugby players, for all we know, no rugby team can compete against the NFL's money, then rugby will suffer a talent drain unprecedented.

In the worst case, rugby would became the NFL hotbed. That wouldn't be good for any of the codes...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Marshawn Lynch is one of the best but the hawks lack depth behind him TBH.