New England starting 15?

[Peat]

Yup, definitely won the Him vs Brown match up

Lancaster in the crowd as well. Lamb has gone pretty well too, maybe he might get the nod.

PDJ will have done nothing for his case, surprisingly dirty match from him, and Hartley chatting back to the ref like a prat.

It'd be... interesting. If you could guarantee me he'll play like he's done tonight, I'd be all for it. If...

 

[Saintjay]

I bet the same people saying "let this kid who did well for the under 20's is on the cusp of a Saxons call up have a chance" would scream for Lancaster's head if it didn't work and England lost to Scotland for example

some of the players suggested (Clegg, Ford, May) are big risks, and may well lose it and do a Mathew Tait debut of course they may not, but the post above mentions picking youngsters and testing them whilst also mentioning the same attitude winning the tournament, wrong if you're going to pick youngsters they need to be given time and may well have some shaky moments to begin with and bottle a match, the idea is that with persistence they learn and will perhaps win 2 years time

I'm not saying it's wrong to pick youngsters, but it's easy for people to say it when your job and reputation for future jobs isn't on the line

It is not a case of playing 15 players with litlle or no caps. Players like Lawes and Foden as a basic example have the relevant experience now and are more than a match for the rest of the 6N's. Even with two or three new caps the remainder of the squad in my opinion is strong enough and has enough experience to win.

I argee it is easy to say when it's not your job on the line. Coaching would be easy if it was just a matter of picking the best 15 players in there positions. Only if it were so simple.
It is a tough call to bring people in but at some point a coach has got to do it and it may as well be now when you have the time to build a squad.

I could be wrong but you play for England U18's, start breaking into the first team and making the Saxons. Then if the coaching team see something in your play you get the chance to step up. It's always going to be a risk but you can still have 100 caps and play a shocker.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It'd be... interesting. If you could guarantee me he'll play like he's done tonight, I'd be all for it. If...

Aha, I know exactly what you mean.

Hey, maybe we could put Myler at 10.......:lol:

 

[DevonRose]

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Just to post out of interest these were the EPS squads selected on the Rugby Club the other night. Feel free to coppy and paste with your changes in bold or however you wish.
Have to be honest don't know a huge amount about the forwards but with Scotland and Italy up first cannot put Marler in the 22 for the first few games as from what I have seen in the last few weeks his scrummaging isn't (yet) up to scratch. If the weather is miserable we could give penalties and territory away far too easily with some cheap penalties at scrum time. If there was an injury to Corbisiero in the lead up to these games I would draft in Nick Wood or Paul Doran-Jones over Marler.
Backs wise with Flood out I'm still not sure about Hodgson with likely weather conditions in Scotland, but if anyone is going to get the backline moving it will be him. Farrell can still come on to hit a late penalty if needed though as he is the form goalkicker. The 10-12 club partnership will be helpful for Barritt to start with, and obviously Tuilagi will come in at 13 as soon as he is fit, likewise with Flood.
Out of interest has Clarke of Northampton dropped out of the playing squads because of Pisi or injury?! I would personally have him in at 13 but wasn't sure if he was fit/on form or just that Pisi offers more!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I notice that Anthony Allen is back again this weekend - not sure if there's enough time for him to play himself in to contention, but if he picks up where he left off then he's well deserving of a spot (possibly over Trinder?)

Billy Twelvetrees starting at 10 as well

 

[Peat]

I notice that Anthony Allen is back again this weekend - not sure if there's enough time for him to play himself in to contention, but if he picks up where he left off then he's well deserving of a spot (possibly over Trinder?)

Billy Twelvetrees starting at 10 as well

I'd rather have Farrell at 10 than Twelvetrees I think. Unless Twelvetrees pulls something amazing out of the bag.

Allen's predominantly a 12, can play 13 but predominantly not, while Trinder is an out and out 13 - and correct me if wrong, but isn't the squad due out fairly soon? I'd stick him in the Saxons and give Trinder the EPS slot, I want England to avoid just returning players where possible (which is why Trinder gets ahead of Lowe, who I rate higher).

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Agree on 12trees, wasn't suggesting that he should be in the squad as a FH, but it could be an option off the bench. For my money I'd rather 12trees to Farrell at 12.

I'd forgotten, for a minute, that Tuilagi is injured, so Trinders inclusion is vital as you need an out and out 13, however Allen/Tuilagi are the best centre combo in the prem, imo

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[Peat]

Agree on 12trees, wasn't suggesting that he should be in the squad as a FH, but it could be an option off the bench. For my money I'd rather 12trees to Farrell at 12.

Yup. Not sure who I'd pick as a bench option... ok, I probably would go with Farrell, but it's close. I really, really hope Twelvetrees has the sense to leave Leicester this season and start playing.

I'd forgotten, for a minute, that Tuilagi is injured, so Trinders inclusion is vital as you need an out and out 13, however Allen/Tuilagi are the best centre combo in the prem, imo

No argument there. Barritt/Trinder might be more balanced anyway. Hopefully we can look at Allen/Tuilagi when touring in the Summer.

 

[Teh Mite]

As I said, Clegg is utter shite. Fin.

 

[B10]

Greenwoods squad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...gby-redemption-at-Six-Nations-and-beyond.html

Getting quite excited for wednesday now. I see Easter got sin binned tonight

 

[Peat]

Greenwoods squad http://www.telegraph.co.uk/spohttp:...gby-redemption-at-Six-Nations-and-beyond.html

Getting quite excited for wednesday now. I see Easter got sin binned tonight

Professional foul pulling down a maul on the line, no real issue with players doing that

 

[j'nuh]

I've been impressed with the way Easter came back from the WC and played himself into some nice form. Then I remember how useless he's been for England for as long as I've watched him. For every good game he's had, he's had many anonymous games. I think his performances for England should have played himself out of England until he can prove that he can sustain this form, but since he's old, and we suddenly have options at 8, it's pointless considering him now anyway. One of Waldrom/Morgan starts, the other on the bench with Narraway/Dowson as injury cover. Case closed, sayonara Easter.

I'm starting to get behind the Dickson fans.

 

[Teh Mite]

From all the talk by Sky who are determined to select the Harlequins, from what I saw last night:

Marlers head popped out of his own backside after about 20 minutes. He never got into the game after that.
The most remarkable thing Robshaw did all night was take Lambs head off and make 1 turnover in the opening exchanges.
Danny Care lost his head completely.
Clegg. Lol. There's a reason he's a very 2nd choice player.
Monye wasn't playing.
Turner Hall looked lively.
Brown reminded me of when the Leinster fans started harping on how Nacewa is a better then Foden... Only to be proven horribly wrong. He's still gobby and ****ly away from the ball also.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Other than missing his kicks, what did Clegg do wrong?
From my watching of the game he did well.

If we're going to label players as utter shite when they have poor games at the tee then we might as well tear up Myler, Lamb and Geraghty's contracts right now, as they're all utter shite.

 

[Teh Mite]

Who mentioned goal kicking?

His one tactic all night was kick the ball at Foden. That's like fighting a lion wearing a suit made of bacon. He never looked like he wanted to set their backs running, he was repeatedly standing around holding the ball waiting for a big tackle to come in and was a revolving door defensively. I'm not sure if you have very low standards of expectations or were watching a different game.

If we're going to label players as utter shite when they have poor games at the tee then we might as well tear up Myler, Lamb and Geraghty's contracts right now, as they're all utter shite.

Don't start the childish "well your clubs players are ****" argument. It has no baring on the subject to hand. It's only the sort of pathetic comeback pricks like Psychic Duck would use.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

To be fair Brown, Turner-Hall and Robshaw have played well for the Quins this season so I see all three making the EPS (Turner-Hall may well miss out mind)

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yup, Robshaw is the form 6 in the country, and should be starting for England if we're picking based on form not reputation (the only way Croft would get in this season).

 

[Teh Mite]

Yup, Robshaw is the form 6 in the country, and should be starting for England if we're picking based on form not reputation (the only way Croft would get in this season).

Absoloutely. He wasn't special last night from what I saw of him, but Croft has been well below par for a long time.

 

[racingmetrofan]

I don't get this whole 'international class' fly half rubbish.

We just need to blood a young player, get him 6 caps and a whole load of experience. Then, hopefully, he'll get some more international experience playing second fiddle to Flood in Aus in the summer. We have got our international fly half - we just need to develop another one.

The best combination of age and experience is probably Lamb - with 114 premiership caps, a couple of different teams, and plenty of high profile games. Whether he is talented enough or not is debatable, but he's a good kicker, can get a back line moving and a real threat in attack. He's also played his entire career at 10.

Second is Farrell. Managed to take Saracens to winning the premiership and an excellent tactical player. Also very used to playing with the definite form 12 in England at the moment (Barritt).

One of these two will do a reasonable job. Just because they haven't played in an international before doesn't mean they won't be up to it. And after 6 games in an England shirt, plus the rest of the season, one of them should be in the prime position for helping take on Aus in the summer. Capping players early is the best solution.How many people remember FLood playing in the 2007 world cup? Hardly any. But he is where England want him to be now, as a result of being capped early. Would be far far better if Wilko hadn't loitered around for so long.

 

[j-dawg]

Thought Robshaw did well last night, his handling when he was a marked man stood out to me.