MMA/UFC thread

[munstermuffin]

Will be fun to see how it plays out?
Still think a hefty fine will be all that happens.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

When the UFC starts to look more like the WWE than a serious organization it's time to look for something else. The system is flawed, ridiculously so. It rewards trash talkers and punishes (or undervalues) people who go there, well, just to fight. It's not fighting, it is entertainment.
Again, mcg's interview's/press conferences get more views than his fights. That's the stage of the sport today.

Ronda Rousey going to WWE, Brock lesnar/Conor McG are/were the most popular stars in terms of viewership. If you can't see the problem you are just blind.

I wholeheartedly miss the pride days. I don't think i ever heard Cro Cop, Fedor or Nogueira's speak, like not even once. I had no idea what their voices sounded like until they moved.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

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I wholeheartedly miss the pride days

Team Hammer House vs Chute Box was pretty wild, to be fair.

I do get what you mean though, far more emphasis on being prize fighters over martial artists.
There does seem to be a lot of kids with their heads screwed on straight coming up though, the likes of Brian Ortega, Brandon Moreno etc.
And then there's current champs in Namajunas, Mighty Mouse, Holloway, Whittaker, DC, Stipe - they're far more old school than the likes of McGregor, Covington etc.

Think Conor changed the game for the worse in that regard though - the casual fans brought in care more about the drama and the soundbites than the fights.
There's a reason why Mighty Mouse, the most dominant champion ever, with an incredibly flashy and exciting fighting style, does poor PPV numbers

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I think it was quite different. The dislike was genuine and raw, but not over the top. ,

Just saw this and i can say i will sleep happier



Min 11:07
If khabib actualy gets to fight GSP that's be a dream come true for me.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Chiesa and Borg both failed medicals as a result of their injuries, and then you throw in Artems opponent to and that's 5 people suing for loss of earnings

 

[munstermuffin]

Can I ask if UFC disapprove so much why don't they cut him?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Can I ask if UFC disapprove so much why don't they cut him?

Well it's only been like 10hrs so if they were going to they can't yet as he's in NYPD custody,

And realistically they don't care enough. He makes them too much money to cut, and it's not worth the risk of him fighting for another organisation (though realistically he'd only get maybe 2 fights out of another org before they were either bankrupt or people were bored of watching him crush cans).
The new owners of the UFC took out HUGE loans to buy the company (the Fertittas sold the company for $4bn and it was not worth anything near that, realistically), they don't care about the integrity of the sport they care about making back their losses that's why they're handing out interim belts everywhere, booking champion vs champion superfights and allowed Conor to go box Mayweather (they got a fat slice of that pie).


He'll get a big fine, settle a bunch of lawsuits out of court, maybe even take a little break to rehab (I don't think he's a coke addict but it's an easy thing to do to appease the courts) and then be back fighting late this year/early next year.
Only real negative for him is that he'll likely lose all his big name sponsors.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

McGregor is such a stain, prior to winning his second belt he clearly had ambition and wanted to make history but as soon as he did he was done. Forget becoming an all time great, forget proving that his fortuitous win v Aldo wasn't a fluke etc... Hope he's banished to complete obscurity, embarrassment to the country.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

McGregor is such a stain, prior to winning his second belt he clearly had ambition and wanted to make history but as soon as he did he was done.

As an entertainer? Sure. As a fighter, i don't buy that. People who want to make history don't cherry pick fights the way he did. He took Mayweather's business model and just applied it to mma, maybe on steroids.
Talk-talk-talk and dodge Pacquiao at his best for nearly 10 years.

 

[ratsapprentice]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/43665867

Charged with 3 counts of assault and 1 of criminal mischief.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

As an entertainer? Sure. As a fighter, i don't buy that. People who want to make history don't cherry pick fights the way he did. He took Mayweather's business model and just applied it to mma, maybe on steroids.
Talk-talk-talk and dodge Pacquiao at his best for nearly 10 years.

You're being overly harsh there, he always had a loud mouth but before he won anything it was clear he wanted those belts. Once he got them he used them as a fashion, and money making, accessory, whether that was his motive from the start is impossible to determine. He fought the long reigning p4p best to win and accepted a fight against Mendes who was supposed to be a stylistic nightmare for him on short notice.

Everything he's done since Alvarez has tarnished his achievements and has got some of the most one-eyed Irish bandwagon fans to turn against him which says loads but it's revisionist to dismiss him as glorified WWE wrestler.

 

[munstermuffin]

Well it's only been like 10hrs so if they were going to they can't yet as he's in NYPD custody,

And realistically they don't care enough. He makes them too much money to cut, and it's not worth the risk of him fighting for another organisation (though realistically he'd only get maybe 2 fights out of another org before they were either bankrupt or people were bored of watching him crush cans).
The new owners of the UFC took out HUGE loans to buy the company (the Fertittas sold the company for $4bn and it was not worth anything near that, realistically), they don't care about the integrity of the sport they care about making back their losses that's why they're handing out interim belts everywhere, booking champion vs champion superfights and allowed Conor to go box Mayweather (they got a fat slice of that pie).


He'll get a big fine, settle a bunch of lawsuits out of court, maybe even take a little break to rehab (I don't think he's a coke addict but it's an easy thing to do to appease the courts) and then be back fighting late this year/early next year.
Only real negative for him is that he'll likely lose all his big name sponsors.

And that was my point it will come down to money. And he's a promoters dream. Can see him going down the Brock Lesnar route though between WWE and UFC.
Agree on the interim belts like I'm a casual fan and know likes of yourself are in to the styles and match ups etc but nearly everyone is in contention for a belt of some kind.

Will we ever see it go down the boxing route of like loads of different organisations with a belt each and lads hopping and trying to unify division etc

 

[ratsapprentice]

And that was my point it will come down to money. And he's a promoters dream. Can see him going down the Brock Lesnar route though between WWE and UFC.
Agree on the interim belts like I'm a casual fan and know likes of yourself are in to the styles and match ups etc but nearly everyone is in contention for a belt of some kind.

Nah... he's waaaay too small for wrestling. They are also a PG company at this point.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

You're being overly harsh there, he always had a loud mouth but before he won anything it was clear he wanted those belts.

Maybe i am.
Thing is, i can't buy the argument that someone who's in to make history is the only champion ever not to defend his belts. Kindly notice it's belts, not belt, plural.
It just doesn't add up.

The way he got his lightweight belt doesn't help either.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

And that was my point it will come down to money.

No one's arguing that, your initial point was that it was fake/a publicity stunt.


It won't go down the boxing route with belts because all companies have exclusivity clauses, And the ufc is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of talent (bellator has a few top level guys, but the level drops off massively after, pride has like 1 ufc top level guy in horiguchi).
Bellator used to allow their guys to fight in Pride but they've put a stop to that now.

Realistically a UFC champion saying they want to "unify" with other organisations would actually harm their stock rather than raise it. They'd be seen as ducking the top guys to go fight in a micky mouse organisation

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Nah... he's waaaay too small for wrestling. They are also a PG company at this point.

You telling me this guy couldn't powerbomb Brock Lesnar through a table?

 

[ratsapprentice]

Aye, I can't see him being too interested in fighting in Bellator, and I can't see the Japanese wanting someone who behaves in the way he does.

That's why the UFC has a lot more power than a lot of people seem to think... he's not realistically got anywhere else to go.
I guess he could try and do his own promotion, but... ya know... who's going to risk a UFC career to do that?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

McGregor will be fine, look at WWE they throw people off ladders, into Table and smash them with metal chairs and nothing serious happen to them after.


That being said I do think he wouldn't go wrestling he hasn't lost his bottle like Rousey in terms of fighting still.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

You telling me this guy couldn't powerbomb Brock Lesnar through a table?

When you have to dress up for ya nans birthday.