Leicester v South Africa

[monkeypigeon]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Nov 6 2009, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And for all teh crap you give Munster, you can thank the MRFU for restarting this trend![/b]

Sorry, but what a stupid coment.

The Ospreys played and beat Austrailia back in 2006. Unless you were talking about an earlier match involving Munster I'm not aware of, if so sorry, I take my comment back.

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Well, a number of things to note.

A ) You're wrong. Ospreys played Australia 'A' in 2006. Whie yes the teams that are being put out by national squads are little more than 'A' squads, the symbolism of the touring national team stands. It doesn't with an 'A' team. Though that's open to opinion

B ) There wasn't as much media attention given to that match. Where as the Munster vs New Zealand is nominated for a World Sports Marketing awards along with the Cricket 20/20 World Cup and somethine else big and recieved a great deal of attention.

So it may not have been the first against some form of international team in recent years but because of it's symbolism and success it has had an influece. Where as after the Ospreys match, everyone said 'God that was a sloppy match' (though I think Ashley-Cooper or some other current full team player score a try) and the next Year the other 2 tri nations teams didn't go organising matches nor did we get see England and Ireland organising tour matches against provincial sides for the upcoming summer tours. Better Marketed Munster match reaised interest now we have tour matches.


So what I'm trying to says is "Stuff it Beeatch". My point is substantiated now.

But I don't like all this negativety with words like "stupid" and "stuff it" flying around. Can't we all be friends?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7iDjrFTtGw

 

[Bluemoon]

Great win for Leicester - any SA team from is always a formidable opponent and they certainly would have taken it seriously!

Sounds like Castro put himself back on the map after destroying his opposite man at scrum time?

 

[monkeypigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bluemoon @ Nov 6 2009, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Great win for Leicester - any SA team from is always a formidable opponent and they certainly would have taken it seriously!

Sounds like Castro put himself back on the map after destroying his opposite man at scrum time?[/b]

Everyone always knew how good he is. If they had sense.

Recent Planet rugby poll for the greatest Tight Head of all pro era.

Carl Hayman 3662
Castrogiovanni 3434

Closest poill by far in their seires (one poll for each position).

Jason leonard was the next with just over 1000. That shows the how highly they're both though of.

Here's the link for anyone curios.
http://www.planetrugby.com/poll/results/0,...1,90640,00.html

 

[dullonien]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Nov 6 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dullonien @ Nov 6 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Nov 6 2009, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And for all teh crap you give Munster, you can thank the MRFU for restarting this trend![/b]

Sorry, but what a stupid coment.

The Ospreys played and beat Austrailia back in 2006. Unless you were talking about an earlier match involving Munster I'm not aware of, if so sorry, I take my comment back.

[/b][/quote]

Well, a number of things to note.

A ) You're wrong. Ospreys played Australia 'A' in 2006. Whie yes the teams that are being put out by national squads are little more than 'A' squads, the symbolism of the touring national team stands. It doesn't with an 'A' team. Though that's open to opinion

B ) There wasn't as much media attention given to that match. Where as the Munster vs New Zealand is nominated for a World Sports Marketing awards along with the Cricket 20/20 World Cup and somethine else big and recieved a great deal of attention.

So it may not have been the first against some form of international team in recent years but because of it's symbolism and success it has had an influece. Where as after the Ospreys match, everyone said 'God that was a sloppy match' (though I think Ashley-Cooper or some other current full team player score a try) and the next Year the other 2 tri nations teams didn't go organising matches nor did we get see England and Ireland organising tour matches against provincial sides for the upcoming summer tours. Better Marketed Munster match reaised interest now we have tour matches.


So what I'm trying to says is "Stuff it Beeatch". My point is substantiated now.

But I don't like all this negativety with words like "stupid" and "stuff it" flying around. Can't we all be friends?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7iDjrFTtGw
[/b][/quote]

Still all friends mate.

Are you sure it was Austrailia 'A'. This link certainly doesn't mention it, just 'second string', in the same way NZ were for the Munster match and SA were tonight v Leicester. I certainly recall it as being an Austrailian full team (squad players). Now I know the Munster game was higher profile and a much better game to watch, but I don't think it's fair to just desregard that O's v Aus game and say the Munster match was the catylist for the mid week games returning. The main reason that the Munster v NZ game was 'bigger' was due to their history, Munster having beaten NZ in the past n' all. I'm sure the same would be true if NZ played the Scarlets (although technically not the same team as Llanelli).

Now the Ospreys Aus game was very successful. There was a capacity crowd to watch it in the Liberty (so 25,000 ish) and it was quite a big event in Wales. Suppose it was on the same level as today's game.

Sorry for calling you stupid, didn't mean it in a mean way.

 

[munstermuffin]

Firstly, Dullonien it was Austrailia 'A'
Also how was it capacity when link says 20520 or something

Secondly, Who care's about starting trend (although personally I think it was all the hype and pre-match spectacle in Thomond ie 2 Haka's and match ball coming from Helicopter etc that fired flame up) lets hope 3N teams continue this as it brilliant for rugby here like personally from the NZ game v Munster last year the buzz i was feeling after it was incredible. I was at Ire vs NZ few days earlier and it was horrible no performance no haka no intensity. It club teams and the heart they bring to game that make these special while for 3N teams it great test for fringe players.

Lastly what a performance from Tigers they really are a force in pro era. I really think Tigers can produce core for future English squad and Tuiquiri coming in is good for them.
Also J.Murphy must deserve shot at Irish squad after tonight and his performances.

 

[darwin_23]

Firstly, on the Ospreys match: the team was called Australia 'A' - however it simply included the Australian players not involved in the test matches (see here). Therefore it was identical to any other mid-week touring team, but for some reason the ARU decided to call this team Australia 'A' (maybe it was to avoid some embarrassment when they go defeated...).

On the Leicester match: I'm not completely surprised at the result given the team the South Africa put out, though it was still a mighty effort from the Leicester given the number of players they had missing! I didn't get to see the game, but will try to catch a replay if I can - I'm particularly interested in the performance of the youngest Tuilagi - all reports suggest he had a stormer of a game.

 

[stormer2010]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 6 2009, 10:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Leicester dominant at scrum time and Youngs converts the penalty from the half way line.

13-8 Leicester 33 mins[/b]

If John Smit struggling at tighthead wasn't enough to convince our coaching staff to pick the best scrummagers in the country then I hope this raping does the trick. The five best props by far must be have been sitting in their couches in particularly Bloemfontein ******* themselves. Hope PdV realises now that you don't get cocky and send boys to play Castrogiovani. I was concerned about him and he even surpassed what I expected.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ Nov 6 2009, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

So Leceister do what the All Blacks couldn't. Hats off to them, what a match![/b]

Well, to be fair, NZ would have raped our second stringers. The 3rd test against the B&I Lions showed that PdV has got the core side about right but the second stringers don't look like carrying the flame. Deserved win though by Leicester; most of the players in squad did deserve to be there and the Tigers were also greatly depleted. Hats off and I hope this trend continues and that NH teams send second string sides to face our provincial sides as ell. Love the spectacle.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Nov 7 2009, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

What a boost for Leicester!! Especially as they're still a little down on manpower right now after their injury crisis earlier last month!!!

This isn't going to sit well back in South Africa. One game in and already South Africa aren't going to get a clean sweep of Europe.[/b]

Very embarassing but I hope it sends a couple of cues to the coaching staff regarding selections and team dynamics or rather a lack thereof.

 

[SmokeyMonkey]

Uh-oh it finally happened, a player younger than me! Mind you what a player! And what a game too, cracking try and South Africa being prison-shamed in the scrum by Castro! Loved it. Bring on tomorrow/later today

 

[QLD]

Why did Castrogiovanni choose Italy over Argentina? He's another great prop Argentina have produced which Australia would kill for.

 

[munross]

Shocking performance by the Boks front-row, but yeah that is the price the coach and management staff must pay for leaving the best 2nd string props and hookers at home in Bloemfontein and Cape Town.

Well done to the Tigers, played very well and deserved to win.

 

[Moonfire]

I hope this opens Peter De Moron's eyes.

Mmm... Earl Rose wasn't THAT bad...

Raubenheimer... lol...

 

[Steve-o]

I guess that happens when you don't pick the best SA XV side PdV! For example Deysel actually did something unlike Rauben-what-his-face. Steenkamp got dominated by a few props, especially WP Nel, in the CC so how does PdV reckon he is gonna handle the Argentinian/Italian Castro? There's a reason Munster are loaning Wian Du Preez and not Steenkamp.

This defeat needed to happen, Grant Ball sums it up well

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PdV to blame for Leicester disgrace

Peter de Villiers must take responsibility for his poor selections and the embarrassment that followed in Leicester on Friday.

It's all good and well lauding De Villiers when his first-choice side steamroll opponents, but now when an opportunity presents itself to mould an inexperienced group, he and his fellow coaching staff looked out of their depth.

The Springbok 'second-choice' XV were annihilated by a club side without at least 16 of their regulars, also not helping their synergy. The Bok coaching staff will point to the lack of preparation time, but in that situation the common sense option is to pick combinations at provincial level. De Villiers ignored this, and the result was a disorganised showing in all facets that led to the South Africans being out-muscled.

While De Villiers stated this tour was about gauging his next best, his refusal to pick form players from the Currie Cup has now left him with more questions than answers.

This team were led out to be exposed by stupid selections and from numbers 1 to 22 there are few success stories from Welford Road.

De Villiers stated in the latest issue of SA Rugby magazine how his technical knowledge of the scrum is the best in the Bok camp. But if that was the case, he would've known before this match that Gurthro Steenkamp would've repeatedly unbound and taken his head out of the scrum, resulting in penalty after penalty. Instead of choosing Wian du Preez – who is now heading to Munster – and the rest of the Cheetahs front-row as a unit, they were all watching this debacle on TV.

That Chiliboy Ralepelle – the Bulls' second-choice hooker – had the opportunity to lead his country after not being fit to take part in a Currie Cup final six days earlier is ludicrous. It wasn't surprising he limped off after 20 minutes, and he should be on the next plane home. Jannie du Plessis' days in the Bok set-up should also be numbered as he failed to produce any leadership or grunt required. How Heinke van der Merwe was suppose to perform after not playing in six months is a mystery, and one shudders at the thought of him having to play tighthead on this tour.

Danie Rossouw was a frustrated figure with the lack of leadership, and while he tried all night, it wasn't enough. Andries Bekker also toiled throughout, but in a disorganised side, it was very difficult. That the Sharks' fourth-choice lock Alistair Hargreaves came on to try and resurrect matters said it all. Even against 20-year-old rookies, Hargreaves was out of his depth and he would have benefited more from an Isaac Ross-course in bulking up over the summer.

Ashley Johnson and Jean Deysel were the standout loosies, but how Davon Raubenheimer was considered ahead of Duane Vermeulen, Francois Louw and Willem Alberts is beyond me.

Heini Adams, another who can't start for his province, struggled behind a pack being shunted around. His tactical kicking was woeful, and Sarel Pretorius would've been a better option.

Ruan Pienaar did nothing to show he is anything close to an international flyhalf. Worst of all was his temperament, panicked decisions characterising his play. But what can you expect when the last time he played in the 10 jersey was on 27 July? De Villiers and Dick Muir's obsession with versatility over specialists seems to be slowly but surely ruining what was a promising career.

Wynand Olivier, Juan de Jongh, Jongi Nokwe and Earl Rose all soldiered on with little quality ball, but Odwa Ndungane delivered a disinterested performance. Ndungane's final minute knock-on capped off why Lionel Mapoe should have been in his place on tour.

The technical short-comings, especially at the breakdown, were disappointing, but what was even more worrying was the lack of commitment and desperation shown by some in a Bok jersey.

Victories over Ireland and France were the main aims of this tour, but just as important was judging the depth of South African rugby. De Villiers should now realise that the out-of-form third-tier players who weren't good enough before, still aren't good enough. What a waste of an opportunity to ignore those who deserved a chance to tour.

Leicester now have the Bok scalp as theirs. However, records won't state it was a woeful Bok side, many of whom shouldn't have been there. For that, De Villiers and his selectors must take the blame.[/b]

Source

On the positive side Ashley Johnson really surprised me, he did really well. He was our best player on the park.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Earl Rose didn't f*** up for once!

 

[Olyy]

So gutted i missed this, i meant to watch it, then just compeltely forgot it was on :S
Sounds like a great game as well, well done to the Tigers! Wasn't expecting them to win if i'm honest, especially missing players through injury and the such

 

[monkeypigeon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dullonien @ Nov 7 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Nov 6 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dullonien @ Nov 6 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Nov 6 2009, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And for all teh crap you give Munster, you can thank the MRFU for restarting this trend![/b]

Sorry, but what a stupid coment.

The Ospreys played and beat Austrailia back in 2006. Unless you were talking about an earlier match involving Munster I'm not aware of, if so sorry, I take my comment back.

[/b][/quote]

Well, a number of things to note.

A ) You're wrong. Ospreys played Australia 'A' in 2006. Whie yes the teams that are being put out by national squads are little more than 'A' squads, the symbolism of the touring national team stands. It doesn't with an 'A' team. Though that's open to opinion

B ) There wasn't as much media attention given to that match. Where as the Munster vs New Zealand is nominated for a World Sports Marketing awards along with the Cricket 20/20 World Cup and somethine else big and recieved a great deal of attention.

So it may not have been the first against some form of international team in recent years but because of it's symbolism and success it has had an influece. Where as after the Ospreys match, everyone said 'God that was a sloppy match' (though I think Ashley-Cooper or some other current full team player score a try) and the next Year the other 2 tri nations teams didn't go organising matches nor did we get see England and Ireland organising tour matches against provincial sides for the upcoming summer tours. Better Marketed Munster match reaised interest now we have tour matches.


So what I'm trying to says is "Stuff it Beeatch". My point is substantiated now.

But I don't like all this negativety with words like "stupid" and "stuff it" flying around. Can't we all be friends?...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7iDjrFTtGw
[/b][/quote]

Still all friends mate.

Are you sure it was Austrailia 'A'. This link certainly doesn't mention it, just 'second string', in the same way NZ were for the Munster match and SA were tonight v Leicester. I certainly recall it as being an Austrailian full team (squad players). Now I know the Munster game was higher profile and a much better game to watch, but I don't think it's fair to just desregard that O's v Aus game and say the Munster match was the catylist for the mid week games returning. The main reason that the Munster v NZ game was 'bigger' was due to their history, Munster having beaten NZ in the past n' all. I'm sure the same would be true if NZ played the Scarlets (although technically not the same team as Llanelli).

Now the Ospreys Aus game was very successful. There was a capacity crowd to watch it in the Liberty (so 25,000 ish) and it was quite a big event in Wales. Suppose it was on the same level as today's game.

Sorry for calling you stupid, didn't mean it in a mean way.
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Yeah shur, all that matters really is that we have tour matches back and South Africa lost one....the Lions didn't lose against any provincial sides....Here fishy fishy...

 

[munstermuffin]

Can South Africans tell me about Wian Du Preez?

Hearing good reports about him but didn't see much Currie Cup. Heard he should be in SA squad for tour if PDV was a normal coach.

Although it will be short-term I really think he can help us in a massive way espacially against Perpignan.

Also any more baby Tuilagi's to come out to open yet :lol: They monsters

 

[MunsterMan]

I do believe Ireland are looking at playing a NZ provincial team or the New Zealand Maori in June, so hopefully we will start returning the favour!

 

[munstermuffin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Nov 7 2009, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I do believe Ireland are looking at playing a NZ provincial team or the New Zealand Maori in June, so hopefully we will start returning the favour![/b]

Hope it happens as these games always have great bite to them

 

[ridgerunnersp]

Please does anyone know where I can find video of this game? I MUST SEE IT!!! Tell your friends, neighbors, dog, and Bin Laden! Tigers have beaten the Boks! If anyone finds this video I am offering a reward of 10 hugs and kisses.

 

[Sir Speedy]

Great win for Leicester. Their nine men that is, as their backline were pretty crap. Their scrum was amazing, and their nine, Youngs, is an excellent prospect.

 

[Bullitt]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Nov 7 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ireland will handle South Africa with little dificulty? Do you know something that I don't? Fill me in.[/b]

My thoughts.
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Simple. South Africa aren't that good.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well... They did get beat by a bunch of lower division players on loan, academy youngsters and journeymen on Friday...