League of Nations

[mdaclarke]

I think it's a possibility. Scotland would be the most likely, we've seen how injuries have affected them this year. If things don't go their way it's a possibility. And there's always the chance of an off-year, could happen for Ireland, Wales, France, Argentina etc.

That's why I will surprised if Promotion/relegation survives the final negotiation as it is a big risk to the nations if they are relegated

 

[Leinster Fan]

That's why I will surprised if Promotion/relegation survives the final negotiation as it is a big risk to the nations if they are relegated

It's very unlikely. People don't sign their own death warrant.

 

[Welshdragon2000]

Do you see any of the big 9 six nations (excluding Italy) and Rugby Championship teams facing relegation?

Also if the Boks were facing relegation I wonder if they'd stick to their transformation targets?

They wouldn't be immune to relegation of course but the prospect of one of them coming last and subsequently losing to Georgia, USA, Tonga etc. are very slim to say the least. If one of them finishes last it either means that rugby in that country has died of to a terrible rate or that rugby has grown substantially in tier 2 countries

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

If, and it's a sizeable if, relegation is implemented it'll be in the form of a playoff.

I reckon tier 1 sides could be convinced to back themselves in that scenario at the promise of big bucks.

But the 6n sides won't fancy it, the RC sides are far more secure in that case.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Would there be a significant increase in money for teams in the second division though?
I am very cautious of the model mainly because it will have such a huge effect on rugby as a whole - positively or negatively we don't know. I hope that whatever is put forward in the end is for the benefit of the game as a whole and not just for 9 or 10 teams

I think it is reasonable to be sceptical about increased revenue for Tier2, but it can scarcely be worse than Rugby Europe in terms of promoting the REC.

I would like to think some revenue sharing scheme would be set up for the second division, not least to provide some kind of soft landing for a relegated side. But yes, I could be being hopelessly naive here!

 

[stus768]

I think relegation decider game would be brilliant to watch though. Not keen on football at all but I'll watch championship play off for similar reasons.

 

[Mumbles119]

Sorry if already discussed or I have just missed this, but is there info on when the conference 1 vs 2 games will play?

Will these 6 matches replace summer and autumn tours? Or be in addition?

If so, doesn't this limit further the exposure between tier 1 and tier 2 test matches. I know this has not been great anyway, but it did seem to be gradually improving. But only having Conference 1 v 2 games would limit it further?

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Sorry if already discussed or I have just missed this, but is there info on when the conference 1 vs 2 games will play?

Will these 6 matches replace summer and autumn tours? Or be in addition?

If so, doesn't this limit further the exposure between tier 1 and tier 2 test matches. I know this has not been great anyway, but it did seem to be gradually improving. But only having Conference 1 v 2 games would limit it further?

Yes, you are right on both counts. It is certainly a downside for Europe. But would Georgia prefer one or two annual Tier1 tests with no chance of promotion OR the top division being opened up to promotion and only getting the chance of a Tier1 test every two years if they fail to get promoted? Everything is a compromise. But compromise is not a dirty word.

 

[FrenchFan]

Yes, money is a major motivation behind this for Tier1. However, money is the almost sole motivation behind the status quo behind preventing relegation/promotion to the 6N (I'll give the RC a pass on that as I don't think money is the main motivation there or they'd swap Argentina for Japan in a heartbeat).

It's not like World League = money = bad
status quo = virtuous wholesome sentinement = good

Looks to me WR have run themselves into a corner.
Status quo and the test game will continue to decline. Proposed league and it sure will go to shite.

The FFR neednt worry about relegation being introduced. They're already well out of sight.

 

[bakakumon]

Little tweaks in the latest proposals during meeting in Dublin today:
Semi finals in November will be removed
Less test matches will be played every year
Division 2 reduces to 10 teams in total
Full video: https://twitter.com/WorldRugby/status/1106178249195966464

Oops..Poor Belgium and Namibia...

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Might ne

View attachment 7095 Little tweaks in the latest proposals during meeting in Dublin today:
Semi finals in November will be removed
Less test matches will be played every year
Division 2 reduces to 10 teams in total
Full video: https://twitter.com/WorldRugby/status/1106178249195966464

Oops..Poor Belgium and Namibia...

Might be "oops, poor Hong Kong" come the first run of this. Annoying to cut division 2 to just 10 teams, it means less international exposure for those sides (but still roughly the same as now if they get 8x tests a year). Presumably it's a cost thing and hopefully they can arrange an additional test with a division 3 side in June and Nov?

Assuming Hong Kong would float between divisions 2 & 3 do you think this would be better or worse for Hong Kong than the current situation?

 

[mdaclarke]

How long before the Boks are in division 2?

 

[bushytop]

How long before the Boks are in division 2?

Long to very long I reckon...

 

[mdaclarke]

Long to very long I reckon...

What about Wales?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Apparently all unions have to agree on this by March 29th or the deal is off the table,
It would block any outside money deals (the rumoured CVC/Amazon Prime bid for the Six Nations)
Once agreed the details would get hammered out by end of May


I can't see it happening, tbh

 

[bushytop]

What about Wales?

Let's just say it would probably be before the Boks.

 

[higgik]

Apparently all unions have to agree on this by March 29th or the deal is off the table,
It would block any outside money deals (the rumoured CVC/Amazon Prime bid for the Six Nations)
Once agreed the details would get hammered out by end of May


I can't see it happening, tbh

Find the irony of March 29th as deal day quite funny

 

[bushytop]

Surprised that it hasn't been mentioned here yet (well I haven't noticed at least) that £5billion has been offered to World Rugby to get the Nations League voted through. The name of the company/corporation supporting this proposal has also finally come to light... Infront Media & Sports. A company based in Switzerland but part of a Chinese mega-corp... they are trying to involve themselves in many sports with the IRONMAN being the partner they seem most proud of right now.

What with CVC offering to buy a stake in the 6N and Infront... basically wanting to buy rugby, the game is about to change. The money people of this world clearly see more potential for growth in rugby than any other sport.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Surprised that it hasn't been mentioned here yet (well I haven't noticed at least) that £5billion has been offered to World Rugby to get the Nations League voted through. The name of the company/corporation supporting this proposal has also finally come to light... Infront Media & Sports. A company based in Switzerland but part of a Chinese mega-corp... they are trying to involve themselves in many sports with the IRONMAN being the partner they seem most proud of right now.

What with CVC offering to buy a stake in the 6N and Infront... basically wanting to buy rugby, the game is about to change. The money people of this world clearly see more potential for growth in rugby than any other sport.

Apparently the head of Infront is Sepp Blatter's son.

 

[bushytop]

Apparently the head of Infront is Sepp Blatter's son.

Dayum... I saw the surname but didn't put 2 + 2 together... that is not good!