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Izzy Folau

Yes, those amazing catholic morals that persecute gay people for being themselves. Who will just tell people suffering from gender dysphoria to "turn to Jesus and all will be well". The same institution that want to control women's bodies and hound them for choosing to have abortions. Yes, what lovely morals they have.

Absolutely disgusting that in this day and age we have religious schools. The idea of schools corrupting young children with this kind of **** is abhorrent and why I'd ban all religious schools tomorrow. Religion doing what it has always done and holding us back, turning people away from science and reason.
 
Which Tyler said:
I'm having a senior moment.
Can someone please remind me who said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"
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Yeah he can talk a good game can Jesus but he still, in all likelihood (if he existed) was a victim of his Stone Age morality and in all likelihood would've been banging the Folau "you're going to hell" drum. I know you're only joking but this is the problem. The church have no problem, as did Folau, in saying that gay people and other sinners should be treated with respect and should not be judged (as only god can do that) but then, at the same time say, you're commuting a sin and will be punished for it.

The whole notion that we are all born sinners is a horrible idea really (as is the idea that Jesus died for our supposed sins) Especially when it's the church, and the church alone, who say they have the cure.
 
So what about the pope essentially being pro gay marriage (civil union his official line) and pro choice ("Catholics shouldn't obsess over abortion")?

This thread has lost the plot a bit, ironically a lot of "holier than thou" types bashing religion while displaying an extremely narrow and limited understanding of it.
 
The Alpha Bro said:
So what about the pope essentially being pro gay marriage (civil union his official line) and pro choice ("Catholics shouldn't obsess over abortion")?

This thread has lost the plot a bit, ironically a lot of "holier than thou" types bashing religion while displaying an extremely narrow and limited understanding of it.
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It's pretty easy to be holier than thou to institutions like the Catholic Church to be honest.

With regards to the pope being essentially pro gay marriage and pro choice, how's that working out in and amongst the Catholic Church? I think the church has even distanced itself from those comments saying they were taken out of context and don't support any change in doctrine which is the key thing is it not? This is backed up by the fact that most catholic's are against abortions and gay marriage.

Would it not be better to be a bit more black and white about this and have a bit more consistency so that it doesn't lead any section of your following be it a small or large, into having bigoted views as shown by the bishop above?
 
Welsh Exile said:
It's pretty easy to be holier than thou to institutions like the Catholic Church to be honest.

With regards to the pope being essentially pro gay marriage and pro choice, how's that working out in and amongst the Catholic Church? I think the church has even distanced itself from those comments saying they were taken out of context and don't support any change in doctrine which is the key thing is it not? This is backed up by the fact that most catholic's are against abortions and gay marriage.

Would it not be better to be a bit more black and white about this and have a bit more consistency so that it doesn't lead any section of your following be it a small or large, into having bigoted views as shown by the bishop above?
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I mean I can guarantee you that there's a lot of Catholics who've done a lot more good than anyone on this forum as well as bad, so it might be easier to be holier than thou but not a good look on anyone.

Is that a fact? Definitely not in developed countries, you only have to look at the world's most prominent Catholic in the white House.

As I've said before religions aren't hiveminds. The pope is the head of the church but can't change anything he wants, you keep bashing the bigotry etc... and dismissing progression. Pulling a random bishop from the states and dismissing the pope is legitimately mental.
 
The Alpha Bro said:
I mean I can guarantee you that there's a lot of Catholics who've done a lot more good than anyone on this forum as well as bad, so it might be easier to be holier than thou but not a good look on anyone.

Is that a fact? Definitely not in developed countries, you only have to look at the world's most prominent Catholic in the white House.

As I've said before religions aren't hiveminds. The pope is the head of the church but can't change anything he wants, you keep bashing the bigotry etc... and dismissing progression. Pulling a random bishop from the states and dismissing the pope is legitimately mental.
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I think it's disingenuous to say, at the very least, that the Catholic Church (or most other religions) doesn't have a problem in the 2 areas mentioned.

On issues like abortion and holding opinions like "homosexuality is a sin"'is obviously going to vary greatly geographically for various reasons but using the USA as the most powerful country in the world, you're at least looking at a 50/50 split on issues like abortion. That's not good and needs sorting out in this day and age regardless of how much progress has been made. It's **** poor. As my school reports often said "can do better" and if the Pope wants to but can't then that should tell you all you need to know about the institution.
 
Izzy Folau really inspires you all,as I see :p maybe it's better to create something like a "religious thread" and discuss your views there? Because it's very interesting to read your opinions actually :)
 
Yulia said:
Izzy Folau really inspires you all,as I see :p maybe it's better to create something like a "religious thread" and discuss your views there? Because it's very interesting to read your opinions actually :)
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While I don't think recent chat has strayed to much from the first first page of the thread, and the general jist of why the thread was created, I think you're right and will stop posting in this thread from now on.
 
Welsh Exile said:
I think it's disingenuous to say, at the very least, that the Catholic Church (or most other religions) doesn't have a problem in the 2 areas mentioned.

On issues like abortion and holding opinions like "homosexuality is a sin"'is obviously going to vary greatly geographically for various reasons but using the USA as the most powerful country in the world, you're at least looking at a 50/50 split on issues like abortion. That's not good and needs sorting out in this day and age regardless of how much progress has been made. It's **** poor. As my school reports often said "can do better" and if the Pope wants to but can't then that should tell you all you need to know about the institution.
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The abortion one is an interesting one - though it's often a topic of religious debate I think it's more a question of morals and ethics rather than purely religion.

You could have a wholly atheist country which was still anti abortion because if the moral case rather than the religious one
 
Not Mike Brown's Sock said:
The abortion one is an interesting one - though it's often a topic of religious debate I think it's more a question of morals and ethics rather than purely religion.

You could have a wholly atheist country which was still anti abortion because if the moral case rather than the religious one
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I'll respond to you in another thread or create one or something.
 
Not Mike Brown's Sock said:
The abortion one is an interesting one - though it's often a topic of religious debate I think it's more a question of morals and ethics rather than purely religion.

You could have a wholly atheist country which was still anti abortion because if the moral case rather than the religious one
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Historically the church was barely interested in it to begin with, it was a secular thing. It then got super weaponised by the religious right. Which is interesting. The secular arguments against do have to completely ignore a mothers life for a total ban abortion and even with that ignore their will of being forced to being a baby incubator for 9 months. So they aren't great in my opinion I fully accept its a moral choice though just not one we can't enforce upon people.

The Catholic Church's stance on abortion combined with contraception I do have alot of issues with.
 
ncurd said:
The Catholic Church's stance on abortion combined with contraception I do have alot of issues with.
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Agree with this by the way. They have a long way to go but I do believe they're trying, fortunately it doesn't effect the running of my country either way though.
 
Not Mike Brown's Sock said:
The abortion one is an interesting one - though it's often a topic of religious debate I think it's more a question of morals and ethics rather than purely religion.

You could have a wholly atheist country which was still anti abortion because if the moral case rather than the religious one
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I always thought that god (Abrahamic one) had our lives all planned out before we were even conceived... So someone getting an abortion is in god's plan.
 
That's the same argument/logic as God's plan was always to kill his only son and knew Judas was going to betray him, but still let it happen.
 
Yulia said:
Izzy Folau really inspires you all,as I see :p maybe it's better to create something like a "religious thread" and discuss your views there? Because it's very interesting to read your opinions actually :)
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I've resisted posting here because I agree with Folau's view but he's a right wan*er for the way he expressed it (plus he went against his word when he said he'd drop the issue and keep quiet if they let him play after his initial comment). Kind of hilarious this thread is still going after two years though.
 
miccloarch said:
I've resisted posting here because I agree with Folau's view but he's a right wan*er for the way he expressed it (plus he went against his word when he said he'd drop the issue and keep quiet if they let him play after his initial comment). Kind of hilarious this thread is still going after two years though.
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You agree with him on what?
 
Tallshort said:
You agree with him on what?
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I think you know but I'll humour you: homosexuality is immoral and unrepentant sinners go to the bad bad place. Ultimately there's no satisfactory explanation if you believe otherwise but here's mine: it doesn't lead to procreation, it's mostly about pleasure (but also adult diapers) and it is a choice (not the desire, but the act). God believers will deny potential pleasure to be closer to God, whose metaphysical love is far greater than any earthly pleasure, and then God gives us earthly joys anyway like hetero marriage and kids or a fulfilling career or life hobby or whatever else it may be.
 

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