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Ireland Wolfhounds v England Saxons - 25/01/2013

I wouldn't play Coughlan maybe unfair on him but he's 32. He's never going to be what we need at international level. Ruddock could be he also has a decent amount of experience and is a leader by all accounts.
 
The Saxons team is :

15 Elliot Daly (London Wasps)
14 Christian Wade (London Wasps)
13 Joel Tomkins (Saracens)
12 Jordan Turner-Hall (Harlequins)
11 Tom Biggs (Bath Rugby)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
9 Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens)
1 Nick Wood (Gloucester Rugby)
2 Joe Gray (Harlequins)
3 Paul Doran-Jones (Northampton Saints)
4 Graham Kitchener (Leicester Tigers)
5 George Robson (Harlequins)
6 George Kruis (Saracens)
7 Will Fraser (Saracens)
8 Jordan Crane (Leicester Tigers, captain)

Replacements:
16 Rob Buchanan (Harlequins)
17 Matt Mullan (Worcester Warriors)
18 Shaun Knight (Gloucester Rugby)
19 Ed Slater (Leicester Tigers)
20 Jamie Gibson (London Irish)
21 Joe Simpson (London Wasps)
22 George Lowe (Harlequins)
23 Kyle Eastmond (Bath Rugby)

Interested to see how Tomkins goes also happy that Wade and Daly are in the mix.
 
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Hrmm, some good some meh.
Don't think JTH and Tomkins will work well together, to be honest. Would have had Eastmond starting instead. Also Simpson over Wigglesworth.
 
I wouldn't have Wigglesworth, JTH or tomkins
Would rather have Simpson, Allen and Lowe or even eastmond and lowe.
can't believe that sharples isn't in.
 
Sharples must have slept with Ian Ritchie and not called him back... I just don't understand his sudden dropping from the EPS to the point where he's now not making a Saxons 23. I'd have him over Biggs in an instant, and I do like Biggs..

Agree with whats been said... I don't see what Wigglesworth has that Simmo doesn't. I'd either have stuck with the Harlequins midfield of JTH + Lowe, or tried Eastmond at 12 with Lowe outside him.

Also, blinkered though I most certainly am, I'd have had Varndell in the Saxons above Monye, Biggs, and Eastmond. He's improved his game so much, I think its getting to the point with guys like JSD and Varndell that they're not being picked largely because previous coaches didn't pick them either, and I reckon the coaches just want to make things easier for themselves.
 
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I reckon Sharples must be training with England. Monye and Ashton are the only wingers, so they need cover. No training with Saxons = no game time for Saxons. Guessing the same goes for Allen?

I like Daly, but ahead of Abendanon in a position that he hasn't played that many games in? Really? Daly should stay at 13, where he should be playing instead of Tomkins.

No Jonny May? Vunipola (might be with England)?
 
Wolfhounds team named.

15 - Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)*
14 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster/49)
13 - Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster/3)
12 - Dave McSharry (UCD/Connacht/)*
11 - Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College/Leinster/23)
10 - Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster)*
9 - Paul Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster/)*
1 - David Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster/2)
2 - Mike Sherry (Garryowen/Munster)*
3 - Michael Bent (Dublin University/Leinster/2)
4 - Lewis Stevenson (Malone/Ulster)*
5 - Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster/3)
6 - Kevin McLaughlin (St.Mary's College/Leinster/5)
7 - Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster)*
8 - James Coughlin (Dolphin/Munster)* Captain

Replacements:
16 - Damien Varley (Garryowen/Munster/2)
17 - Tom Court (Malone/Ulster/29)
18 - Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon /Ulster/2)
19 - Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster/2)
20 - Rhys Ruddock (St. Mary's College/Leinster/1)
21 - Isaac Boss (Terenure College/Leinster/15)
22 - Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)*
23 - Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster/2)

Fairly solid looking team. I hope Madigan gets a run out early enough in the game so he gets a good chance to show what he's capable of, and that they play him at out-half instead of full back.

Fitzpatrick needs a decent stretch of game time as well, to see whether or not he deserves to be ahead of Bent in the pecking order.

 
Good to see a mix of repressentation in the starting 15.

Ulster with 5,
Munster and Leinster with 4 each, and,
Connacht have 2
 
15 - Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)*
14 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster/49)
13 - Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster/3)
12 - Dave McSharry (UCD/Connacht/)*
11 - Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College/Leinster/23)
10 - Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster)*
9 - Paul Marshall (Ballymena/Ulster/)*
1 - David Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster/2)
2 - Mike Sherry (Garryowen/Munster)*
3 - Michael Bent (Dublin University/Leinster/2)
4 - Lewis Stevenson (Malone/Ulster)*
5 - Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster/3)
6 - Kevin McLaughlin (St.Mary's College/Leinster/5)
7 - Tommy O'Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster)*
8 - James Coughlin (Dolphin/Munster)* Captain


Replacements:
16 - Damien Varley (Garryowen/Munster/2)
17 - Tom Court (Malone/Ulster/29)
18 - Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon /Ulster/2)
19 - Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster/2)
20 - Rhys Ruddock (St. Mary's College/Leinster/1)
21 - Isaac Boss (Terenure College/Leinster/15)
22 - Ian Madigan (Blackrock College/Leinster)*
23 - Ian Keatley (Young Munster/Munster/2)


N.B. *denotes uncapped player
 
i would swap in henderson and ruddock
mclaughlin and coughlin's ships i think are gone for international stardom
 
Looks weak.

Weak like a fox. Awesome backs, meh forwards, which is a worry considering England packs are usually a bunch of fatties. I must say my knowledge of English rugby has taken a but of a dip in recent seasons. How do the teams match up peat?
 
i would swap in henderson and ruddock
mclaughlin and coughlin's ships i think are gone for international stardom


Yes, but all things considered it's not too bad to have a few older heads in there. It may only be an A game, but you learn more about young players when you don't throw them all in at the deep end together. With Fitzgerald, Trimble, Coughlan and McLaughlin in there, there should be plenty of experience.


As for swapping in Ruddock and Henderson. While Ruddock has had a lot of game time at 8, I fail to remember him playing particularly well there on any occasion. Given the lack of viable lock options in the country they probably want to have a look at Henderson there, which would explain his presence on the bench.
 
Weak like a fox. Awesome backs, meh forwards, which is a worry considering England packs are usually a bunch of fatties. I must say my knowledge of English rugby has taken a but of a dip in recent seasons. How do the teams match up peat?

:lol:

You knows I'm playing.

Anyway, quick comparison

Kilcoyne vs Wood - Haven't seen enough of Kilcoyne but rate Wood as a very good scrummager and solid in the loose, I know Kilcoyne's in form but I'd go with Wood - England
Sherry vs Gray - Probably Sherry, Gray's more reliable, very good thrower and good at the breakdown, but I like Sherry's power - Ireland
Bent vs PDJ - God knows, no one knows much about Bent, PDJ is solid but lacks the power you'd like, I'll just say even - Even
Stevenson vs Kitchener - I think Kitchener is a bit of a lanky show pony and I really like the grunt Stevenson brings. G'wan the Rocket - Ireland
Toner vs Robson - Robson's too small for international rugby but otherwise a class act, Toner's just too tall for his own good but does some nice things - Even
McLaughlin vs Kruis - McLaughlin does what he does well, but Kruis is a beast and offers some real physicality - England
TOD vs Fraser - About even I reckon, both young 7s with a lot going for them, I want to say Fraser but I think might be bias so - Even
Coughlan vs Crane - Meh vs Meh. Both solid, but nothing more, and a waste of a cap imo - Even

Marshall vs Wrigglesworth - Depends which Small Paul turns up, Wrigglesworth is solid but nothing more, Small Paul could rip England to pieces - or do the same to Ireland - Uhmm...
Jackson vs Ford - Ford may be the messiah but he hasn't shown it for Leicester recently, Jackson's form may have wobbled but take him out and you see what Ulster miss - Ireland
Fitzgerald vs Wade - Fascinating one. Fitzgerald should dominate Wade in the air. Fitzgerald is very solid defensively, but Wade can make anyone look like a muppet, and Fitz is short of gametime. Really this comes down to who's got the better performers around them, but right now I'd take Wade, he's a bit sharper - England
McSharry vs JTH - I don't rate JTH, misses too many tackles and is too predictable, McSharry looks a more rounded and intelligent version if not as physical - Ireland
Cave vs Tomkins - Too early for Tomkins, he needs to learn union better - Ireland
Trimble vs Biggs - Depends what Trimble shows up, hasn't really happened for him in a green jersey recently, not sure why everyone loves Biggs but they do - Even
Henshaw vs Daly - Really exciting, but one guy regularly plays full-back and presumably got the GAA high ball taking course, the other floats between full-back and centre - Ireland

Varley vs Buchanan - Varley's great at what he does well but erratic otherwise, BUchanan's been impressing me - England
Court vs Mullan - Angry Tom has been fantastic recently, I like Mullan but Court is possibly the form loosehead in Europe - Ireland
Fitzpatrick vs Knight - Is Fitzpatrick really fit? Great prop if he is, could easily backfire though. Knight's another very promising newbie - Even
Henderson vs Slater - Not a lock. Amazing six, not a lock. Slater should be starting - England
Ruddock vs Gibson - Would have started both, really like Gibson's all round skills, Ruddock's flattered to deceive for me over the course of his career - England
Boss vs Simpson - Depends which Simpson turns up! - Even
Madigan vs Eastmond - I have no idea where either will play and feel like I can't judge - Even
Keatley vs Lowe - See above. Mad backs benches the pair of them - Even

In general, it's a pretty lightweight England pack, should do the job but won't get dominance the way sending out the likes of Garvey, Attwood, Fearns, Jackson and so on might have done. We've got a better front row as a whole imo, but it mightn't show with the power diffrentials in the row (then again, Toner is bad news for the Irish scrum). I don't get the English backline at all, while on a good day for the half-backs that Irish one wouldn't disgrace the 6N imo. Certainly a big difference in defensive capabilities imo. Having that scrummaging front row waiting on the bench could make a big difference for Ireland, although wtf is up with three fly-halves? Likes of TOH and even Allen must be feeling mad angry.

Throw in the ineptness of Callard to date and I'm not optimistic. Which probably means England victory given my predicting power!
 
Any news on if this one's going to be on Sky (or anyone else) in Englandland?

I know they are showing Saxons vs Scotland A next Friday, but I don't think they're showing this one unfortunately. :(

I guess BBC radio 5 live might cover it, but not sure.
 
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