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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 25 2009, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Wallace's distribution is an awful lot better than D'Arcy's, fact that he fluffed a certain try against Fiji won't have helped his cause either.[/b]
Yes, Darse did screw up. Airhead. Still has lurvely hands and vision and is a muuuch better player than Wallace all round, except for kicking. I just do not get Wallace at this level - provincial player, not international.
 
Snoopy, I'm not worried about Cian Healy as such, more the front row as a unit. Against the Sharks front row we have a chance, John Hayes is going to struggle, but Cian Healy destroying Smit would hide it. If Healy is struggling too it could be a disaster.

Shtove, D'arcy is a glorified bosh merchant, Wallace is a classy playmaker. Wallace is the guy with the great hands and passing, not D'arcy. Wallace is the guy in great form, not D'arcy. It's a much easier decision than who wears #10.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Nov 25 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Shtove, D'arcy is a glorified bosh merchant, Wallace is a classy playmaker. Wallace is the guy with the great hands and passing, not D'arcy. Wallace is the guy in great form, not D'arcy. It's a much easier decision than who wears #10.[/b]
Got to have bosh at 12. When ROG threw that skip pass to BOD in the first few minutes of the Aus match, you think any defender was worried about Wallace? OK, example's not exactly on point because the pass and run were mistimed, and that was the reason for the try, but 12 has to have presence. Mike Catt.

Plus Darcy is not all bosh. Just haven't seen him in space for ... years (apart from the cock up pass against Fiji!).

Distribution? In the Aus match why did BOD have his quietest game at 13 for a few years when the Wallace distribution machine was at 12? Show me this great distribution at international level, please.

Wallace to fade away ... unless he's Kidney's preferred back up 10.
 
Shtove, as long as we want to move the ball, Wallace will be a fixture. Apart from Scott Deasy playing for Munster A, he is the only 2nd 5/8 style 12 in Ireland, and even then Deasy is really a fullback.

BOD wasn't that quiet against AUS, he wasn't slicing their through their line which says more about Australia than Ireland.

You don't need bosh at 12, it's normally boring and predictable. 2 play makers is a much more entertaining way to play the game. Whether the play maker be at 12 or 15 (eg Warwick for Munster) it just gives you so more options. A play making fullback is another thing Ireland don't have, so I see Wallace being around for a while.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Nov 25 2009, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Shtove, as long as we want to move the ball, Wallace will be a fixture. Apart from Scott Deasy playing for Munster A, he is the only 2nd 5/8 style 12 in Ireland, and even then Deasy is really a fullback.

BOD wasn't that quiet against AUS, he wasn't slicing their through their line which says more about Australia than Ireland.

You don't need bosh at 12, it's normally boring and predictable. 2 play makers is a much more entertaining way to play the game. Whether the play maker be at 12 or 15 (eg Warwick for Munster) it just gives you so more options. A play making fullback is another thing Ireland don't have, so I see Wallace being around for a while.[/b]
Hmmm. You make a good case. But BOD was quiet because he wasn't receiving. Need convincing, and would like to hear a clear explanation for Kidney's choice and why the fault is not with Wallace.

Proof coming soon, I guess, because midfield attack is the key to SA defeat. Prefer if Wallace got the blame, because Sexton is truly good.
 
AWWWWKWARD!!!

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Here is my preferred starting team:

1. Beast
2. Smit
3. BJ Botha
4. Bakkies
5. Matfield
6. Brussouw
7. Deysel
8. Kankowski

9. du Preez

10. Steyn
11. Habana
12. Olivier
13. Fourie
14. Pietersen
15. Kirchner


16. Bismark
17. Russouw
18. du Preez
19. Hougaard
20. Pienaar
21. Bekker
22. Potgieter


Schalk Burger is NOT fit. He shouldn't even be on the bench. Kankowski is still my pick at 8, with Danie coming on if he doesn't perform.

This line-up is easily enough to dispatch of Ireland in my opinion. Lets just hope the guys show up on the day, and that front row gets picked.
 
I'd like to see Jongi Nokwe play another quality team, as he was very impressive against Australia with a 4 try effort, but he dosen't seem to get chances over the highly rated (over rated in my opinion) JP Pieterson. Why hasn't he had more game time? I am claiming ignorence here, because there may be a good reason, but I can't see it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Nov 25 2009, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Here is my preferred starting team:

1. Beast
2. Smit
3. BJ Botha
4. Bakkies
5. Matfield
6. Brussouw
7. Deysel
8. Kankowski

9. du Preez

10. Steyn
11. Habana
12. Olivier
13. Fourie
14. Pietersen
15. Kirchner


16. Bismark
17. Russouw
18. du Preez
19. Hougaard
20. Pienaar
21. Bekker
22. Potgieter


Schalk Burger is NOT fit. He shouldn't even be on the bench. Kankowski is still my pick at 8, with Danie coming on if he doesn't perform.

This line-up is easily enough to dispatch of Ireland in my opinion. Lets just hope the guys show up on the day, and that front row gets picked.[/b]

I'm with you apart from thinking Danie should start ahead of Kanko if only for the reason that I think Danie would be more valuable in the opening tight exchanges and Kanko later onto take advantage of tired legs in the opposition and possibly things opening up a bit more.

As for selections, I'm sure PDiv will pick the front row you mentioned. He said as much already and together with Bissy carrying a ****le, I think we will see Beast, Smit and BJ starting. Same with Jacobs somewhat injured but he has played carrying an injury ever since mid S14 so that might not be a consideration. Don't know why these guys don't get time to recover as Adi is injured and out of form. On form, he was arguably our best back in 2008 but management need to take better care of him. Potgieter also a good option with an insane workrate but I don't think we will see him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Nov 25 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'd like to see Jongi Nokwe play another quality team, as he was very impressive against Australia with a 4 try effort, but he dosen't seem to get chances over the highly rated (over rated in my opinion) JP Pieterson. Why hasn't he had more game time? I am claiming ignorence here, because there may be a good reason, but I can't see it.[/b]

There are better wingers than Nokwe in SA; Mapoe, van der Heever, Mentz, Chavanga.. he is blitsig and a deft finisher but lazy in other areas; defence, support and suspect under kicks. Pietersen hasn't been setting the world alight but he is solid and the only person pushing for his spot ATM is Lionell Mapoe but I guess PDiv has decided to wait till after next year's S14. Watch out for the Cheetahs, this guy is a classy winger.
 
This is definately the match of the this year's AIs. Stuff the French and NZ claiming the honors on their thread. I always thought France would be a sterner challenge and was worried for it being our firsst fixture (and rightly so) but was looking forward to this match the most; 6N vs 3N champions in their backyard and at full strength, scores to be settled after a very intense Lions series & IRB team of the year and player of the year match ups (not that its deciding but unofficially it should)... can't wait for Saturday.

Here's hoping we don't get too much of a surprise in the line-up; I trust PDiv has learnt some lessons during this year (about playing people out of position or making mass changes and our front row more recently) and that the guys pitch. Not too worried about that, though; we had England last in 2008 and that was the only game we actually played. We always get up for an England fixture, though. As well as for the old enemy in NZ. Pity we don't have the same rivalry with other countries.
 
I think there's plenty of needle for the South Africans to motivate themselves, especially with some of the spillover from the Lions series and the claims from Smit that O'Connell refused to have a drink with the Springboks. De Villiers has also been very quiet in this buildup, maybe that will change once the teams are announced but he seems to have learnt from White's mistake in 2004, doesn't matter how true the statement was just don't add fuel to the fire.
 
So as a Completely non-biased Paddy this is how I reckon the teams square up...


1. Beast - Healy - SA(for now)
2. Smit - Flannery - Ire
3. BJ Botha - Hayes - SA
4. Bakkies - O'Callaghan - SA
5. Matfield - O'Connell - SA
6. Brussouw - Ferris - Tie
7. Deysel - Wallace - Ire
8. Kankowski - Heaslip - Ire

9. du Preez - O'Leary - SA

10. Steyn - Sexton - Not a Clue yet
11. Habana - Earls - SA
12. Olivier - Wallace - Ire
13. Fourie - O'Driscoll - Ire
14. Pietersen - Bowe - Ire
15. Kirchner - Kearney - Ire


16. Bismark - Cronin - SA
17. du Preez - Buckley - SA
18. Bekker - Cullen - SA
19. Roussou - Leamy - SA
20. Hougaard - Stringer - SA
21. Pienaar - O'Gara - IRE
22. Potgieter - D'Arcy - IRE
 
Yip, I'm sure motivation won't be a problem. If it is, there is something wrong with these guys. Win or loss, though, I can't help thinking that our national selectors have made a real hash of the opportunities presented by this tour. It should either have been to try and win everything and keep momentum or put the second-stringers in the fire to be tempered. We tried the first and failed against France but we had neither after that. I would have prefered the second from the outset along with resting key players not 100% like du Preez and Jacobs carrying slight injuries.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jockstrap @ Nov 25 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
So as a Completely non-biased Paddy this is how I reckon the teams square up...


1. Beast - Healy - SA(for now)
2. Smit - Flannery - Ire
3. BJ Botha - Hayes - SA
4. Bakkies - O'Callaghan - SA
5. Matfield - O'Connell - SA
6. Brussouw - Ferris - Tie
7. Deysel - Wallace - Ire
8. Kankowski - Heaslip - Ire

9. du Preez - O'Leary - SA

10. Steyn - Sexton - Not a Clue yet
11. Habana - Earls - SA
12. Olivier - Wallace - Ire
13. Fourie - O'Driscoll - Ire
14. Pietersen - Bowe - Ire
15. Kirchner - Kearney - Ire


16. Bismark - Cronin - SA
17. du Preez - Buckley - SA
18. Bekker - Cullen - SA
19. Roussou - Leamy - SA
20. Hougaard - Stringer - SA
21. Pienaar - O'Gara - IRE
22. Potgieter - D'Arcy - IRE[/b]

:lol: :lol: for sure not biased at all.
 
I would like to see Riaan "The New Frans Steyn" Viljoen start an international game.

This guy has a bigger success rate than F.Steyn with his 55m dropgoals.
 
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