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monkeypigeon
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I hope Trimble is tested under the high ball and defensively because if he's gonna get caught out I'd rather it happen against Italy than against France.
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bristol-iain
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Ireland should hit the ground running, that is one seriously dangerous backline, O'Gara excluded, and shame Sexton got crocked this game should have been a perfect platform to show his attacking skills as he didnt really show them against SA.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 3 2010, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
He deserves to start. Talk of picking him because he's from Ulster is ********. Why not pick Rory Best or Tom Court in that case? Trimble's picked because he's the best option in that position. At 25 he has plenty of top class rugby left in him too. I like Earls a lot as a player but he hasn't done enough this season to deserve his place. It's a shame because I thought he'd be a shoe in when Luke Fitzgerald was injured.
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Don't see any politics in it. Trimble/Earls at 11 is a toss up. I reckon Earls and Bowe are skinny bamboozlers who should play at 13, like BOD before the weights-machine (or whatever) got him.
Horgan is a 14, and it's debatable whether he should be in, because Bowe doesn't do the cross kick trick with ROG and that's how we've scored some of our greatest tries.
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you mean like the one in Cardiff last March???
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If he does it again ... and again ... and against the ABs, then I'll be happy!
I completely disagree. Horgan is 31, going on 32 so he was never a candidate. Earls is playing competently, but nothing more, in the centre. Trimble is playing on the wing and doing things like this:
He deserves to start. Talk of picking him because he's from Ulster is ********. Why not pick Rory Best or Tom Court in that case? Trimble's picked because he's the best option in that position. At 25 he has plenty of top class rugby left in him too. I like Earls a lot as a player but he hasn't done enough this season to deserve his place. It's a shame because I thought he'd be a shoe in when Luke Fitzgerald was injured.
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Don't see any politics in it. Trimble/Earls at 11 is a toss up. I reckon Earls and Bowe are skinny bamboozlers who should play at 13, like BOD before the weights-machine (or whatever) got him.
Horgan is a 14, and it's debatable whether he should be in, because Bowe doesn't do the cross kick trick with ROG and that's how we've scored some of our greatest tries.
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you mean like the one in Cardiff last March???
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If he does it again ... and again ... and against the ABs, then I'll be happy!
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An Tarbh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Feb 2 2010, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
He deserves to start. Talk of picking him because he's from Ulster is ********. Why not pick Rory Best or Tom Court in that case? Trimble's picked because he's the best option in that position. At 25 he has plenty of top class rugby left in him too. I like Earls a lot as a player but he hasn't done enough this season to deserve his place. It's a shame because I thought he'd be a shoe in when Luke Fitzgerald was injured.
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Don't see any politics in it. Trimble/Earls at 11 is a toss up. I reckon Earls and Bowe are skinny bamboozlers who should play at 13, like BOD before the weights-machine (or whatever) got him.
Horgan is a 14, and it's debatable whether he should be in, because Bowe doesn't do the cross kick trick with ROG and that's how we've scored some of our greatest tries.
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you mean like the one in Cardiff last March???
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If he does it again ... and again ... and against the ABs, then I'll be happy!
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true cause Horgan did it again and again and against the ABs, oh wait, no that was just replaying the try at Croker to death from 70 different angles.
I completely disagree. Horgan is 31, going on 32 so he was never a candidate. Earls is playing competently, but nothing more, in the centre. Trimble is playing on the wing and doing things like this:
He deserves to start. Talk of picking him because he's from Ulster is ********. Why not pick Rory Best or Tom Court in that case? Trimble's picked because he's the best option in that position. At 25 he has plenty of top class rugby left in him too. I like Earls a lot as a player but he hasn't done enough this season to deserve his place. It's a shame because I thought he'd be a shoe in when Luke Fitzgerald was injured.
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Don't see any politics in it. Trimble/Earls at 11 is a toss up. I reckon Earls and Bowe are skinny bamboozlers who should play at 13, like BOD before the weights-machine (or whatever) got him.
Horgan is a 14, and it's debatable whether he should be in, because Bowe doesn't do the cross kick trick with ROG and that's how we've scored some of our greatest tries.
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you mean like the one in Cardiff last March???
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If he does it again ... and again ... and against the ABs, then I'll be happy!
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true cause Horgan did it again and again and against the ABs, oh wait, no that was just replaying the try at Croker to death from 70 different angles.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 3 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
true cause Horgan did it again and again and against the ABs, oh wait, no that was just replaying the try at Croker to death from 70 different angles.
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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munstermuffin
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Lads Trimble is in simply for an Ulster representative -> And why not pick Court, Wallace, Best
Court - Not good enough
Best - Not fit enough yet
Wallace - Was outplayed by D'Arcy in battle for 12 shirt
As for Earls I not saying he should be starting but I saying he peformed well vs Springboks and has been playing well consistently.
Trimble has been playing well lately but is known for bottling it and has had chances in past and didn't take them.
But must admit Deccie is best coach in NH and I trust his judgement.
As for Reddan he was our best player at WC'07 but his form went down and TOL took over.
Court - Not good enough
Best - Not fit enough yet
Wallace - Was outplayed by D'Arcy in battle for 12 shirt
As for Earls I not saying he should be starting but I saying he peformed well vs Springboks and has been playing well consistently.
Trimble has been playing well lately but is known for bottling it and has had chances in past and didn't take them.
But must admit Deccie is best coach in NH and I trust his judgement.
As for Reddan he was our best player at WC'07 but his form went down and TOL took over.
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feicarsinn
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Feb 2 2010, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
This one differs from the Court vs Healy debate in many ways:
Trimble has been outstanding as of late, Earls has not. He's not even playing on the wing at the mo.
Court has been good lately, but so as Healy.
Despite playing less for Ireland, Healy is far more established in the team than Earls.(mainly due to a lack of top class competition
Anyway, all Irish backs save Bod need a little period out of the limelight. Bowe, Kearney and Fitzgerald all broke through, faded for a while and came back better. Here's hoping Earls does the same.
On a sidenote, how great is it for McLaughlin? That's 3 Leinster backrows, a prop and as Second Row in the 22. Is the forward power shifting away from Munster to the east?
I'd go for Trimble on form at the mo.
This one differs from the Court vs Healy debate in many ways:
Trimble has been outstanding as of late, Earls has not. He's not even playing on the wing at the mo.
Court has been good lately, but so as Healy.
Despite playing less for Ireland, Healy is far more established in the team than Earls.(mainly due to a lack of top class competition
Anyway, all Irish backs save Bod need a little period out of the limelight. Bowe, Kearney and Fitzgerald all broke through, faded for a while and came back better. Here's hoping Earls does the same.
On a sidenote, how great is it for McLaughlin? That's 3 Leinster backrows, a prop and as Second Row in the 22. Is the forward power shifting away from Munster to the east?
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Jockstap
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It's good to see so many new faces there from last year's selection of
15 Rob Kearney, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Brian O'Driscoll, (capt), 12 Paddy Wallace, 11 Luke Fitzgerald, 10 Ronan O'Gara, 9- Tomas O'Leary; 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David Wallace, 6 Stephen Ferris, 5 Paul O'Connell, 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 John Hayes, 2 Jerry Flannery, 1 Marcus Horan.
Replacements: 16 Rory Best, 17 Tom Court, 18 Malcolm O'Kelly, 19 Denis Leamy, 20 Peter Stringer, 21 Gordon D'Arcy, 22 Geordan Murphy.
Very encouraging.
15 Rob Kearney, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Brian O'Driscoll, (capt), 12 Paddy Wallace, 11 Luke Fitzgerald, 10 Ronan O'Gara, 9- Tomas O'Leary; 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 David Wallace, 6 Stephen Ferris, 5 Paul O'Connell, 4 Donncha O'Callaghan, 3 John Hayes, 2 Jerry Flannery, 1 Marcus Horan.
Replacements: 16 Rory Best, 17 Tom Court, 18 Malcolm O'Kelly, 19 Denis Leamy, 20 Peter Stringer, 21 Gordon D'Arcy, 22 Geordan Murphy.
Very encouraging.
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King_D'Arcy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Feb 2 2010, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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Bowe scored crossfield kicks against Wales and Argentina for ireland...
Horgan isnt the only man who can catch crossfield kicks. It's irrelevant anyway because picking someone to start because he's scored a few tries from crossfield kicks is silly. They almost never happen because there's rarely opportunities to use them. it makes much more sense to start a winger because hes fast, agile, clever and can score tries from anywhere.
true cause Horgan did it again and again and against the ABs, oh wait, no that was just replaying the try at Croker to death from 70 different angles.
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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Bowe scored crossfield kicks against Wales and Argentina for ireland...
Horgan isnt the only man who can catch crossfield kicks. It's irrelevant anyway because picking someone to start because he's scored a few tries from crossfield kicks is silly. They almost never happen because there's rarely opportunities to use them. it makes much more sense to start a winger because hes fast, agile, clever and can score tries from anywhere.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King D'arcy @ Feb 3 2010, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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Bowe scored crossfield kicks against Wales and Argentina for ireland...
Horgan isnt the only man who can catch crossfield kicks. It's irrelevant anyway because picking someone to start because he's scored a few tries from crossfield kicks is silly. They almost never happen because there's rarely opportunities to use them. it makes much more sense to start a winger because hes fast, agile, clever and can score tries from anywhere.
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Apart from catching above everybody's head, Horgan's in great form as well. Good competition.
true cause Horgan did it again and again and against the ABs, oh wait, no that was just replaying the try at Croker to death from 70 different angles.
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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Bowe scored crossfield kicks against Wales and Argentina for ireland...
Horgan isnt the only man who can catch crossfield kicks. It's irrelevant anyway because picking someone to start because he's scored a few tries from crossfield kicks is silly. They almost never happen because there's rarely opportunities to use them. it makes much more sense to start a winger because hes fast, agile, clever and can score tries from anywhere.
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Apart from catching above everybody's head, Horgan's in great form as well. Good competition.
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An Tarbh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Feb 3 2010, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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Bowe scored crossfield kicks against Wales and Argentina for ireland...
Horgan isnt the only man who can catch crossfield kicks. It's irrelevant anyway because picking someone to start because he's scored a few tries from crossfield kicks is silly. They almost never happen because there's rarely opportunities to use them. it makes much more sense to start a winger because hes fast, agile, clever and can score tries from anywhere.
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Apart from catching above everybody's head, Horgan's in great form as well. Good competition.
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again not really, Bowe has got to the stage where he's now one of the first names on the team sheet, it wouldn't have even crossed Kidney's mind to put in Horgan ahead of Bowe. He can even score off cross field kicks, what more do you want from your winger, him to grow another inch, have black hair and play for Leinster I suppose.
true cause Horgan did it again and again and against the ABs, oh wait, no that was just replaying the try at Croker to death from 70 different angles.
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If he does it as often, and then does it against the ABs ... when it matters. But that goes for every Irish player. Do keep up, 007.
ROG/Shaggie have pulled that trick maybe five times for Ireland - not sure, but it's a good rate of return. Am I wrong? If it works don't fix it. Good rugby sense.
You must be one of those self-hating Leinster supporters we hear about.
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Bowe scored crossfield kicks against Wales and Argentina for ireland...
Horgan isnt the only man who can catch crossfield kicks. It's irrelevant anyway because picking someone to start because he's scored a few tries from crossfield kicks is silly. They almost never happen because there's rarely opportunities to use them. it makes much more sense to start a winger because hes fast, agile, clever and can score tries from anywhere.
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Apart from catching above everybody's head, Horgan's in great form as well. Good competition.
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again not really, Bowe has got to the stage where he's now one of the first names on the team sheet, it wouldn't have even crossed Kidney's mind to put in Horgan ahead of Bowe. He can even score off cross field kicks, what more do you want from your winger, him to grow another inch, have black hair and play for Leinster I suppose.
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DuncTheDoodle
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I've just placed a bet that Tommy Bowe will score 2 tries. I was, funnily enough, the person who went for the lowest amount of tries for Tommy.
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MunsterMan
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Bowe has 7 tries in the HEC group stages, he is a phenominal player and saying Shaggy should start ahead of him is just silly. I'm tempted to tip him for tournament top try scorer, but that might anger the mocker gods. I'll go for Tom James instead 
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DuncTheDoodle
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Tommy is the top scorer in the HEC and Magners League at the moment. Surely it's just common sense that he'll score at International level? Providing the rest of the Irish team don't go off on a wobbler, he'll be the top scorer.
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MunsterMan
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Your are being misleading, Tommy is the joint top try scorer in the ML, with Fionn Carr among others, who doesn't get a look in. Carr is joint top try scoerer in the ECC too with 7 tries in the group stages. And he does it playing for Connacht! Imagine if played for a team where he was being given plenty of chances a game.
I'm getting sidetracked here, agree about Tommy, I just felt like speaking up for Carr! When he goes back to Leinster he will be a force to be reckoned with.
I'm getting sidetracked here, agree about Tommy, I just felt like speaking up for Carr! When he goes back to Leinster he will be a force to be reckoned with.
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DuncTheDoodle
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After Bowe and Ferris, Carr remains my favorate Irish player. Why he isn't playing for Ireland, I don't know. The other one who's joint in the ML is Aled Brew, who can't get picked for Wales, no matter how good he's playing. But, yeah, sidetracked.
Ireland to win by 21.
Ireland to win by 21.
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An Tarbh
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his defence isn't up to scratch, that was proven on Sunday when he stepped up a level from the Magners League, found wanting several times against the Saxons.
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munster
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Wonder what the odds are for Itlay to deliberately knock on the ball in the first few minutes so that they can let the "Castro" loose on Cian Healey and the rest of the Irish frontrow???
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Feb 4 2010, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Bowe will be midfield mastermind for years, once BOD retires. At the moment he's almost wasted on the wing. Horgan is an out and out winger. Makes no difference for this match, but Horgan's height and strength will be better in attack against brickwall defences in Stade and Twickenham. Back to back GS is the goal.
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MunsterMan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMachine @ Feb 3 2010, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Castro had his head shoved up his arse by Horan last year, and Healy held his own in the HEC final, It's Hayes I'm worried about.
Castro had his head shoved up his arse by Horan last year, and Healy held his own in the HEC final, It's Hayes I'm worried about.
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