Ireland v England

[An Tarbh]

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Good lord in a game where defences dominated England only created a chance when we had the game won. If Ireland's defence is as good in Cardiff as it was yesterday then it's gonna be extremely difficult for Wales to break us down.

Yes O'Gara had a shocker with the place kicks but he's got enough character to bounce back from that, could be costly if Wales or Scotland think they can afford to give away penalties against us.

As for England being the better team yesterday don't make we laugh, we controlled that game from start to finish. England offered nothing in attack until the last 5 minutes. Ireland's pack was superb, not a poor performance from 1-8. O'Leary is still finding his feet at international level, bare in mind this is his first 6 Nations. Wallace in defence was a nice bonus and the back 3 certainly outclassed their opponents.

In what single facet of play were England on top, bar the penalty count?[/b]

LOL the Irish back 3 did f*** all apart from fitzgerald picking a few nice angles. Not saying our back 3 was spectacular but it def. wasn't an area Ireland were on top... and LOL at O'Gara having character? When was the last time you heard of someone of his experience go completely AWOL in the 2nd half of a huge test match?

in fact, Ireland were better at: 1) discipline 2) turnovers 3) having leaders stand up

Aside from that, the only positive they can take from the game is that they defended well and that they won. They created nothing and in the end struggled to defeat a team determined to shoot itself in the foot. The French game aside, Ireland have looked like a decidedly average team since before RWC 07. Show me some more results/ performances that contradict that and I'll begin to think you lot don't all horribly overrate yourselves.
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still doesn't take away from the fact that your back three were not on top in the game, they did nothing all game, at least our three were willing to try things.

 

[JohnBE]

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In what single facet of play were England on top, bar the penalty count?[/b]

Tell me why then, with such a startling amount of dominance, you only won by a point? If Tait wasn't an ignorant tosser you'd have been in deep ****. Simple really.

As for the final match, neither side will be fearing each other to be honest. It'll be cracking. And ROG hasn't put in a string of consistently good performances for Ireland since the '07 6N, so I don't see why he would suddenly turn up in Cardiff and destroy us... Stephen Jones recently has been a far better player, and if the winner of that game depends on the performances of the flyhalf, then Wales should surely be favourites (referring to JohnBE's post).
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down to England being such cheating ********, not their fault they got away with what they could, but the fact that the ref seemed to have little or no concept of the offside line, that made England's defensive effort all the easier and gave us less space with which to create.
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I agree

listen look england tried to take O'Driscoll out.. so english people post comments *****ing about the match when they actually tried to injure O'Driscoll.. Flutey and Armitage should have both been yellow carded... disagree with me if you wish.. but they were definate yellows.. armitage's shoulder was almost a penalty try.

 

[An Tarbh]

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In what single facet of play were England on top, bar the penalty count?[/b]

Tell me why then, with such a startling amount of dominance, you only won by a point? If Tait wasn't an ignorant tosser you'd have been in deep ****. Simple really.

As for the final match, neither side will be fearing each other to be honest. It'll be cracking. And ROG hasn't put in a string of consistently good performances for Ireland since the '07 6N, so I don't see why he would suddenly turn up in Cardiff and destroy us... Stephen Jones recently has been a far better player, and if the winner of that game depends on the performances of the flyhalf, then Wales should surely be favourites (referring to JohnBE's post).
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down to England being such cheating ********, not their fault they got away with what they could, but the fact that the ref seemed to have little or no concept of the offside line, that made England's defensive effort all the easier and gave us less space with which to create.
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I agree

listen look england tried to take O'Driscoll out.. so english people post comments *****ing about the match when they actually tried to injure O'Driscoll.. Flutey and Armitage should have both been yellow carded... disagree with me if you wish.. but they were definate yellows.. armitage's shoulder was almost a penalty try.
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I'd agree with you on the cards but penalty try would have been way too harsh.

 

[JohnBE]

well he was in

you give a penalty try when a player is going to score a try and the opposition interfere.. and I know it was a bit out ..but the case could be argued.


anyway it just annoys me when english and welsh are on here complaining about Ireland, who played well and deserved to win and shoudl have won by more.

The scoreline didn't do us justice in that game

 

[An Tarbh]

true we were thoroughly in control of the game and 2 years ago that's a game we would have lost, same with the French match so the improvements we've made in that regard are quite impressive as far as I'm concerned.

 

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnBE @ Mar 1 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

well he was in

you give a penalty try when a player is going to score a try and the opposition interfere.. and I know it was a bit out ..but the case could be argued.


anyway it just annoys me when english and welsh are on here complaining about Ireland, who played well and deserved to win and shoudl have won by more.

The scoreline didn't do us justice in that game[/b]

no one English has come on here and complained at all. I struggle to think of one english person who's come on this topic and disagreed with any of the yellow cards, nor can I see and English person who said Flutey and Armitage's hits weren't cheapshots that deserved yellows.

Fact is, I'm all for cheapshots and offside because they never get pinged, especially by SH referees. All 3 Tri Nations sides are experts at subtly blocks, late hits and using the gainline rather than the backfoot as their offside line. So if it gives us an advantage then great... Armitage's block was very necessary, and Flutey was subtle. Wise play from England.

Armitage incidentally also got a late shoulder charge from Heaslip that wasn't picked up, but I haven't noticed any Irish posters mention that.

The only thing the English fans are moaning about is our own team's stupidity, typified by the fact that our players seem to be unable to listen to the referee when he says 'hands off' or 'roll away'. The Haskell penalty as an example, was a great steal by him on his feet before a ruck had formed. But the ref had called the ruck (bad call but still a call), and Haskell should have listened. Danny Care was just plain stupid. Flutey was committed to a tackle which he turned into a clothesline to cause more pain, which was subtle. Care was totally unsubtle and it's that kind of stupidity that lets us down.

If we and the Welsh are moaning about anything else it's that most of the Irish on here constantly overrate their team and players in spite of minimal achievement. Wales may have lost one game (away against a rampant France I might add), but they've looked like a half decent team in the process, they're the 6N holders, and they've beaten SH opposition recently. Ireland's list of recent achievements is solely the beating of an occasionaly threatening France side, at home.

 

[Prestwick]

JohnBE, this may come as an almighty shock to you but the only forum posterd complaining about Ireland are the Irish ones...


...or did you ignore my desperate pleas for you guys to be positive about being odds on to win the grand slam??

 

[shtove]

Ireland could have lost the match, but Wales were at risk of losing against Scotland and England as well.

Agree with ginger that England could turn in to a very good team. Buuuuut .... I don't see a vein of cunning, which really has to come from the coach and one or two decisive players. Without that they won't get the edge needed to win pressure games.

In the past Ireland have had cunning in the lesser games, but run out of the precious stuff under pressure.

Kidney has sacks of it, although he's still not tested at this level, and BOD on current form is chucking out a few nuggets.

Will we dig it out in the coming matches? I dunno, but Gatland's replacements policy suggests he's not too cunning. Ryan Jones? Fool's gold. Martyn Williams - now there's your man.

 

[Bluemoon]

Yes true, but then again everybody seems to think Wales are the team to beat at the moment and people up their game for this.

Id just like to point out the Welsh public and the Welsh team may have belief in themselves against the opposition at the moment, but we are not saying we are the a million times better than everyone else. We know teams like Ireland, France and England still pose massive threats and are still capable of beating us. We just know we can compete now.

Its the media that say the sun shines from our arses and that we are the team to beat. Please don't confuse this. We have a healthy belief and a great coaching team thats winning us games.

I still don't think Ireland can beat Wales in the Millennium Stadium because I think they will panic (ROG) as against England. Also this 'nullyfying' of the welsh centres is all well and good. But they can just as much 'nullify' BOD. Its going to be a great game!!

 

[An Tarbh]

well we've a job to do in Murrayfield before we get to Cardiff and unlike previous teams I don't think Kidney will let this current setup look beyond that.

 

[Bullitt]

After that, the mother of all games against "the old enemy", I find all this talk of Ireland winning in Cardiff very amusing.

As for the game itself, meh. 2 god awful teams on the day IMHO.

That is all.

 

[shazbooger]

Got a bit bored reading through some of this.

Ireland 14 - 13 England

Ireland head the table, unbeaten, going into the final two rounds.

Scotland still look a little dissorganised with ball in hand. The Welsh pack were blown away in Paris.

I'm content.

THAT is all.

 

[Prestwick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Mar 1 2009, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Got a bit bored reading through some of this.

Ireland 14 - 13 England

Ireland head the table, unbeaten, going into the final two rounds.

Scotland still look a little dissorganised with ball in hand. The Welsh pack were blown away in Paris.

I'm content.

THAT is all.[/b]

But..but...what about the uncompleted moves?! And Shane Horan?! Doomed! Doomed I say!!

 

[shazbooger]

Well apart from all the negatives ............ I'm content

 

[Charles]

Ｗｈｉｌｅ ｅｖｅｒｙｂｏｄｙ here is talking of Slams and championships, let me remind you that if France beat England (and Wales Ireland) they have Italy as the last game of the tournament, where they will know exactly how much point they will have to rack up. Judging by both teams performances this year, France could very much put 40 or 50 points on them.

So good to be the underdog with nobody noticing you...

 

[Bullitt]

Woah betide you saying things like that - Anyone would believe Ireland already have a Grand Slam under their belts considering some posts read so far...

 

[shazbooger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Mar 2 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Anyone would believe Ireland already have a Grand Slam under their belts considering some posts read so far...[/b]

Nope not "Anyone", just those with an agenda and the ability to filter out everything that does not fit in with that agenda.

Same ole same ole ..................... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Prestwick]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Mar 2 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Woah betide you saying things like that - Anyone would believe Ireland already have a Grand Slam under their belts considering some posts read so far...[/b]

Really? Funny that because from what I've been reading in the exact same thread, I've had to coax at least three Irishmen down from tall buildings so bad was their cynisim and dispair at winning "so badly" (apparently, not my opinion).

You're seeing sensational optimism and I'm seeing cynical depression. No wonder us English can't win for love nor money at the moment! :lol:

 

[Sir Speedy]

Wales are going to win the Grand Slam. Any one who disagrees is a Satanist.

 

[Prestwick]

Or is of reasonable mind and body...